Ballmer Says Windows 7 is Vista but Improved

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Every time I hear someone talk smack about Vista, I see the Windows Mojave commercial playing in my head. Most people, and not necessarily the people on this site, that I have met that talk smack about Vista are only repeating what other people have said and have never even used or seen the OS themselves. I have no complaints with Windows Vista as is, but Im looking forward to using Windows 7 too.
 

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What's wrong with Vista? I upgraded from XP x86 to Vista x64 a month ago I don't see the problem. A few free-wares wouldn't run but a sub is easy to find. My HP printer wouldn’t print because HP hasn’t updated their driver since 2004. In fact, when I was using my friend's quad core XP machine, I found it more sluggish and instable (IE crash due to Google Tool Bar).
 

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If Windows 7 is an upgrade to windows Vista, then it should be spectacular. Vista itself is great and has been for a while, people just don't care to keep up with it. I haven't had any problems with it. It's nearly flawless. I was unhappy before I actually used it, remembering all the bad press. However, when I got it and actually started using it, I didn't know what all the bad press was about. It's a fine os.
 
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Before SP1..Vista...eeew. I installed it because I'm a tech and need experience working on it. Post SP1 it is a decent system... a few annoyances remain though.
Program compatibility (older video games.. mostly due to DRM, I believe)
Explorer STILL doesn't appear to be multithreaded (sometimes hangs all of explorer when emptying recycle bin, for instance)
64-bit version REALLY needs to be able to execute 16 bit code (some 32-bit programs have 16 bit installer...yes, it's the stupid programmers fault, not Microsoft's, but should the consumer be the one to suffer for this)
UAC complains about silly stuff or did, I shut it off..may not anymore (program updating running inside it's own program folder updating things in it's own program folder...this isn't a security problem)
Lack of real security (durnit, have the operating system track all changes an install makes...Don't trust the installer to track it)

Note, I realize several of those are legacy problems with Windows but I think it's about time to fix those already. Also, on the 64-bit running 16-bit code...I think that's the major obstacle to eliminating the 32 bit version of Windows all together..can someone correct me here?
 

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[citation][nom]blackened144[/nom]Every time I hear someone talk smack about Vista, I see the Windows Mojave commercial playing in my head. Most people, and not necessarily the people on this site, that I have met that talk smack about Vista are only repeating what other people have said and have never even used or seen the OS themselves. I have no complaints with Windows Vista as is, but Im looking forward to using Windows 7 too.[/citation]

The whole Mojave thing is very misleading however. For example when people go "Its so much faster" remember the laptop used was no doubt with a fresh installation and modern hardware that was not out when Vista was first released. So of course its "faster" when even compared to XP if the hardware is newer and the harddrive simply contains the OS. Also notice how on the Mojave experiment it never shows what the people actually do on the laptop? Its not like they had a 2nd laptop with the same hardware with XP on it to compare it to either.

You also can't tell me its not biased as it was conducted by Microsoft and no one ounce of criticism is shown. It also seems they targeted people they believed to not have much knowledge when it comes to computers or at least that's all they decided to share with us in the results.
 

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Im currently on XP, but I really hate my gf's dell vista machine. So many sofewares included my corporate antivirus wont work on vista! I admit some of the software is a bit old, but I dont see a reason to switch to vista if you already have XP unless you need 4GB+ RAM to do some crazy work. But sure vista does look better, will wait and see windows 7 and mac's snow leopard
 

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Well, I just hope that they don't change the driver model for Windows 7 then, so that it will support the same hardware that Vista does. If not, all OEMs will need to write new drivers, creating the same problem that hurt Vista.

We would have to ensure our older peripherals are supported (HP never released full drivers for their older DeskJets).

Do we really want go thru the BS from OEMs like Nvidia and Create Labs again??

 

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My biggest problem with Vista is that game performance is worse in Vista than XP, even with DX9 games. This probably mostly due to memory requirements. Supposedly Vista has excellent memory management, but I consider it to be a memory hog. You need to at least double the RAM you were using in XP to get decent performance out of games in Vista, and I'd go so far as to say you should have at least 4 GB. I haven't played any Vista exclusives, so it could very well be that XP is holding Vista back and that a Vista-only game would run much better.

Still, for non-gamers, I think it's worth upgrading. Most of the other complaints about Vista are exaggerations. The UAC is not a big deal, and it's there for a reason, plus you can turn it off so it's a non-issue. My biggest complaints with the system itself mostly have to do with games. The sound system was changed so that EAX in older games probably doesn't work. And there are the usual compatibility issues when upgrading to a new OS. And the disk defragmenter is a joke. And I don't like how the Photo Gallery no longer supports WMF or has thumbnail icons for WMF files.
 

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What rock did you Vista lovers crawl out from? You like to be prompted every 10 seconds to "Allow or Continue"? Let me guess, you just turn of UAC so the prompts go away -- sorta defeats the security as implemented by Microslop. Vista has been labeled as the 6 Billion dollar flop by multiple well respected sources. Also was considered the worst OS since Windows ME. Are you folks from this planet?

And then we have DX10 in Vista only, most people can't even tell the difference between DX9 titles and DX10 -- wooohooo, another promised boost for games that turned out to be a flop and very few game developers wanted to even bother with DX10.

Now we hear that Windows 7 is just more of the same junk (which I already knew). Ballmer is a complete idiot and obviously hasn't listened to a word from the consumer. The door is so wide open now for OS X - which has been gaining considerable ground over Vista.

If Vista is so great, why is Microsoft's stock pretty much dead in the water? Surely a new OS (now old) would have prompted a big spike in stock value -- well it didn't (and this was before the market crash). Why didn't the stock change, because it was a disasterous flop and Ballmer is going down with the ship it seems, refusing to change.

We were promised "Vista" as being better than "XP", and yet most folks hung onto WinXP and "experimented" with Vista or created a dual boot and some just sad forget Vista and stuck with WinXP. The ONLY time I load Vista is when I want to play Crysis -- that's it.

They removed audio capabilities that have handicapped my Audio specific games/applications.

Multi-processor support was supposed to be improved in Vista, it wasnt', now it's supposed to be improved in Windows 7. Give me a break, how many of the same promises can one company keep making and not deliver??
 

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v8venom, you've got a few points that are kind of null...

First, UAC doesn't do a whole lot to protect the system anyway, there isn't much advantage to it being there - serious malware will override it. Most malware is annihilated by protection software, anyway.

Second, if you buy an operating system to upgrade DirectX, you're a fool. At any rate, the point that no DX10 features are commonplace isn't Vista's fault - it's the developers of games, just like all the driver problems.

Third, the door will never be open wide for OSX because it's always been closed. You can't get OSX on decent hardware at a good price without apple suing your face off.

MS's stock is down for (1) the global economy is tanking (2) Vista having a bad reputation from it's not-so-good pre-SP1 beginnings. Apple's stock is comparatively higher because (1) their products have ridiculous prices and (2) their consumers know no better.

Vista is better than XP. They both perform the same in almost every day-to-day task, as well as games. (providing you have the same decent hardware in each machine. if your machine can't take it, don't install it, that doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. Apple doesn't see this issue because you don't get a choice in the matter.) Then, XP has the 4GB memory limit. Vista does not.

As for program incompatibilities, you try installing new firefox on windows 98. It won't work. Time goes on, things change, learn to deal with it.

Multi-processor support works great in Vista. At any rate, it's the software you're using that probably has the issues, which, again, is not Vista's fault.
 

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You have to remember the diference between DX10 and 9 is how it handles things. There won't be a difference if the game is designed for DX9 but ran on DX10. Its like running a DX8 game without the added features of DX9 in a DX9 API. DX10 actually Optimizes code and attempted atleast to make a standard with Video Cards to improve performance futher. Its also is under less limits then 9.

I am not sure if I should wait for Windows 7. My next upgrade will be around a year from now. I know that Windows 7 will have atleast 6 months of issues after release. So it is a little dilemma thinking if I should wait or go Vista.
 

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meh, ill wait for windows 7...
only reason vista got such a bad rep is because i think the tech was just not advanced enough to keep up with the new OS... but since apparently, vista's code base will be around for a while, it'll pick up speed, and soon it'll be 'wonderful'[i think its smart their only releasing a refresh, they're not screwing the people that have vista].
early adopters ftw?
 

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UAC is a protection system that fails. You can't deny it. It's a press yes to continue, not a watch out this might be bad for your system (well it should be, but because of both microsoft and software developers, it's not). You can deny it, you can say it's the software's fault, but it doesn't change it for the consumer. It's the first thing most users turn off. Waste of time to develop in the first place.

DX10 was MS big selling point. Now that it doesn't seem to bring anything to the table people say, you are a fool for buying the OS for DX10. Wasn't there a bunch of DX10 exclusive titles? Wasn't DX10 better then 9? Why are game developers still programming for 9? Because that's what every has. No one wants to upgrade. It's the chicken and the egg all over again. Gamers don't want to move as they have a good place, game developers don't want to alienate part of their playerbase from the game, so no progress is the result. DX10 has failed.

I don't care about OSX until we get good game support on it. I don't care about stocks either. It's not a real indication if something is going good or bad. MS is in too much to conclude that Vista is driving the stocks down (but it's probably).

Vista better then XP?, but at what cost. Normal users should buy a too expansive system they won't use to run vista, or buy a cheap system and work with XP that works fine for every day's work? Why would you upgrade to vista over XP? Why would you spend that amount of money and I'm talking about people who either upgrade a computer or buy more important things, not people who can afford it or play games on their PC.

Mojablablbabla commercial is a joke. The first thing that comes to mind is, it was never about the looks. Sure some people didn't like how Vista looked, but that wasn't the main issue of complains. The issues are:
1. Why invest money in it?
2. Program Compatibility (it's not MS fault, but the consumer has to deal with it).
3. Driver Compatibility (same as 2)
4. UAC
5. DX10 not worth it

And a lot more. I think Vista is a fine OS. I tried it and a few good things like I can easily manage the volume of different programs in the volume control (some might hate it, but I liked that), but I don't think I'll upgrade to it as I'm still working with outdated software. I'll wait for 7 and hope they don't screw it up that we have to wait for SP1 again.
 
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