Ok, one last time.
Q: Why choose a Turion over an Pentium M?
A: (over simplified) I have built and owned them both. My real world experience has shown me the Turion is noticeably smoother running (no hangs, pauses, lock ups with multiple programs etc.), noticeably faster and 64 bit.
No one but you has ever mentioned lockups or hangs or pauses with Intel chips. And running one Turion against what is essentially two Pentium M's is a recipe for disaster on the part of the Turion - it doesn't have a chance. Most benchmarks say the Turion is pretty competitive with a single Pentium M; against essentially two of them, it doesn't have a chance.
: Why is buying a 64 bit chip now smarter than buying a 32 bit chip?
A: Whether 64 bit is better, stronger faster is a mute point. It can be debated and 'reviewed' to death, but I'm sure everyone agrees that we are going to 64 bit sooner or later. 64 bit apps WILL NOT RUN on your precious Intel. Period, end of story.
Actually, it's "moot", not "mute", but anyhow, yes, we'll probably switch to 64 bit at some point in the next decade or so. But for right now, if a 32 bit notebook is cheaper and faster than a 64 bit notebook, users should buy the 32 bit notebook, because we buy hardware for what we need now, not in a decade. (And the "Intel" is neither "mine" nor "precious" - I just use them.)
Since the Turion can run today’s 32 bit apps and tomorrows 64 bit apps WHAT WOULD POSSIBLY BE THE BENEFIT OF BUYING A 32 BIT PROCESSOR?
It's faster, typically cheaper, and better for the OP when playing games because it has the far better graphics card and dual CPUs, something the Turion won't have for another six months or so.
You're claiming it's faster now but it WILL NOT EVEN WORK IN THE FUTURE. You then state this is a non-issue because notebooks only last 1 - 3 years. I'm sorry, but a 64 bit 2.2 Ghz 1,600 fsb notebook with 1 Gig of RAM (and 2 gig potential) is going to last you more than 1 - 3 years. WHAT is it that you are doing that it can not handle?
No, it isn't. The X700 video architecture is already showing it's age, isn't DirectX 10 compatible in hardware, and so is going to have a tougher time with LDM than a higher end DirectX 9 card like the nVidia 7800 in the Dell. And when playing games, the nVidia 7800 in the Dell is going to walk all over the slower x700 in the MSI1029. And you *still* haven't given an argument for why 64 bit is desirable now aside from that it will run 64 bit apps - which doesn't matter because nobody's going to be writing only-64-bit apps for a decade or more. Who in their right mind would write a 64-bit only app when the vast, vast, VAST majority of users run 32 bit OSs? That's not going to change anytime in the next decade.
Since your diatribe centers around the gamer based on your GPU argument, you bring up that the core due is faster. Can you name a game that is ported to take advantage of dual core technology? I mean, I don't know about you, but I am not running virus scans encoding DVD’s and background processes when I am playing games on my laptop.
Quake (and all the games ported around the Quake engine) as of Quake 4 1.05 get strong benefits from dual core and hyperthreading technology, particularly, per iD, Intel's. Since Quake/iD is a pioneer in game development and since many, many games are based on Quake/Doom code, this is significant. It's also significant because iD frequently paves the way for technology many other firms eventually adopt. And this is *just* benefits inside the game - it doesn't mention the fact that playing will be smoother due to having the second core to address any other programs that the user runs.
You're 0 for 3 today so far. Keep going.
I have a desktop for the heavy lifting, as do all hard core gamers. There isn't a notebook around that is going to unseat a tricked out SLi desktop for that, it just isn't going to happen.
You cannot assume "all gamers" have a desktop for the heavy lifting - and with the Dell's nVidia 7800, many gamers won't *need* a desktop at all. But the Dell notebook will fare much, much better and be much faster with it's nVidia 7800 compared to a lowly, last-generation X700 when directly comparing notebooks, which is what we're doing here.
If we are talking about gaming on a laptop, it is a part time gig, it is BETWEEN what we are actually using the notebook for. When the app you NEED your laptop for goes 64 bit, you're out of luck. There is no gaming because you can't use your notebook for its primary function, if we go with the Intel at this particular point in time we COULD be burning ourselves down the line.
Games (and MS Office, and everything else everyone runs) won't be 64-bit only for a decade or so. Your 64 bit arguments are completely immaterial.
Is a 64 bit O.S. faster? Without a doubt, I don't need reviews and tests to know that because I run x64 Pro ON MY DESKTOP and it is FASTER. Period, you can argue this until your blue and it isn't going to make any difference to me because I am actually using it.
Neither Tom's Hardware nor most other benchmarks agree with you. At some point that may change, but I wouldn't bet on it. The architectural differences of 16 bit to 32 bit and 32 bit to 64 bit are completely different, and the reasoning and rationale to go from 16 bit to 32 bit vs. 32 bit to 64 bit are *completely* different, and you haven't hit on any of them. The only thing you appear to think about 64 bits is that it's better because it's bigger - I've asked you to post, in your own words, why, technically, it's better, and you've never done so.
I DO NOT use it on my laptop because I need total compatibility, drivers for off site work and it is just not mature enough to be a notebook OS. I have tried it on my notebooks, and it does work, but like you said there are issues RIGHT NOW of drivers, hibernation, screen luminosity, main stream virus scanners etc.
And there you have it...64 bit sucks right now. So why do you suggest 64 bit OSs then when the driver situation is crap? 64 bit OS mainstream won't be here for years, and so 32 bits will be the dominant, supported, "best for most users" platform for years and years. Your argument about programs not working is simply not going to happen for a decade or more.
Do I think it will mature, absolutely. Is it 100% now, NO. Do I recommend x64 as an OS now on a laptop? No, not unless you are using it on a desktop or have a need for 64 bit Linux.
Exactly. So buy what you need now that's fastest. And for the OP, wanting a gaming laptop, the fastest will be the one with the best GPU (and the best CPU helps too, but for this particular OP, the GPU matters more) - and that's the Dell. Without question.
One final point, when you are wirelessly gaming on a laptop with your DELL and your fancy 7800 GPU, don't be surprised if you see, in beatiful color YOU getting dragged on your wireless connection by someone with a
KillerNotebook with 108 G+ wireless and massive throughput! You can see yourself being ghosted immediately after it happens due to your split second of lag that took you out. :lol:
Everybody wants to be the Killer
When you don't have an argument, you resort to this. Sad. Since there's no suggestion that anything but latency is an issue with wireless gaming, please provide proof that your 108G+ wireless card is somehow better than the cards in the Dells. Please list how your cards change the specifications in the wireless routers/base stations that are being used to connect the gamers together to make your connection less latent. (Hint: You can't, because there isn't; the latency is the same.)
Then provide information on why you believe the opposite won't be true - the gamer running the slow X700 in your portable won't be destroyed because his graphics card cannot keep up with the speed and power of the nVidia 7800.
I see the latter (7800 squashing the X700) as far more likely, particularly if the OP cranks up the graphics special effects and such.
Face it - the X700 in the MSI1029 you use at Killer Notebooks is old and obsolete compared to the nVidia 7800 in the Dell. For those that want a gamer card, that's significant and important. It's time to upgrade the notebook you're selling to put a modern GPU in there, if you want to sell to gamers.
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