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"Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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> Canon 70-210 2.8 IS L get's you there, and then some when used with the
> Canon 1.4x extender.
> This will get you to a high quality 280mm, which, with the 1.6 crop factor
> gives you a field of view similar to 448mm compared with field of view
> (and perceived enlargement) compared with 35mm film mount.
> -Mark
> (Again...see my other post to you)
> (See my other post in this thread for more on the 70-200 2.8 IS).


Mark, you make a good point with the 70-200m IS L and the 1.4x extender.
Seems like I want extremely good optical quality, this is the lens to get.

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"Clyde Torres" <clyde_torres@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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>> Canon 70-210 2.8 IS L get's you there, and then some when used with the
>> Canon 1.4x extender.
>> This will get you to a high quality 280mm, which, with the 1.6 crop
>> factor gives you a field of view similar to 448mm compared with field of
>> view (and perceived enlargement) compared with 35mm film mount.
>> -Mark
>> (Again...see my other post to you)
>> (See my other post in this thread for more on the 70-200 2.8 IS).
>
>
> Mark, you make a good point with the 70-200m IS L and the 1.4x extender.
> Seems like I want extremely good optical quality, this is the lens to get.
>
> Clyde Torres

I don't know your style of use or the emphasis you place on the
weight/lightness of your system... If you have some sort of overt limiting
factor that makes weight a real issue, there is no denying that it's not a
light-weight.

BUT... I have to tell you that it rarely, if ever, even occurs to me. This
particular lens is ALWAYS in my bag--no matter what. I use a Lowe-Pro Orion
bag, which is a hip bag. My standard carrying set up includes the 16-35 2.8
L, the 1.4x extender, 70-20 2.8 IS L, and the 28-135 IS which is usually
mounted on my camera (either that, or the wide lens)...along with a 550EX,
timer remote cable release, vertical grip, and various other doodads
(batteries, memory cards, portable hard-drive storage device, etc.). All of
this fits within the Orion, and is quite comfortable to carry, since it sits
on your hip/torso area.

I am mentioning this only because much has been made about the weight of
lenses in this thread. It is my contention that many folks tend to miss a
tremendous set of optics in the name of perhaps one pound. In the scheme of
what we carry, it's really not a big deal. Even more surprisingly, when one
gets used to teh more substantial Canon L tele lenses, it becomes strange to
hold lesser weighted teles. Personally I find that the weight acts as a
stabilizer of sorts, simply due to the natural stability from heavier
objects in general. Hand jitters are reduced. Try holding a pencil in your
hand without notice tiny movements... -Now try it with a two pound object.
You'll find that the "jitters" are nearly gone, simply because it takes more
than jitters to move the object.

I love the feel of my DSLR when the heavier lens is mounted now. It feels
secure and solid as a rock in terms of stability and build quality. If it
becomes truly cumbersome, remember that the 70-200 (and the 100-400, for
that matter) come equipped with a tripod mounting ring on the lens itself.
Mount a monopod to this, and you can stand longer with it aimed at your
subject than a lighter lens without one! :)

If you do end up going with L teles, I would also recommend that at some
point you consider the vertical grip for your 20D. Not only will it create
a more balanced feel, but you'll gain real functionality and additional
battery life (which is already good).

Just another 4 cents or so...
:)
-Mark
 
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"Clyde Torres" <clyde_torres@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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>> Canon 70-210 2.8 IS L get's you there, and then some when used with the
>> Canon 1.4x extender.
>> This will get you to a high quality 280mm, which, with the 1.6 crop
>> factor gives you a field of view similar to 448mm compared with field of
>> view (and perceived enlargement) compared with 35mm film mount.
>> -Mark
>> (Again...see my other post to you)
>> (See my other post in this thread for more on the 70-200 2.8 IS).
>
>
> Mark, you make a good point with the 70-200m IS L and the 1.4x extender.
> Seems like I want extremely good optical quality, this is the lens to get.
>
> Clyde Torres
>
Not only that, but, at the end of the day, you have a 70-200 f2.8, the
100-400 f4.5-5.6 can't get to 70mm, and it's only an f4.5 at 100mm, f5 or so
by 200mm.
Frankly, if I had it to do over, that's what I'd do, rather than buy a
100-400 IS, but the IS version of the 70-200 wasn't in production then.

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"Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)" <username@qwest.net> wrote in
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> Clyde Torres wrote:
>
>> Roger, if you were in my situation and had a 28-135mm Canon lens, what
>> would you by to extend my range in the telephoto range? What great lens
>> does Canon make that will take me out there to 2--+mm?
>
> Clyde,
> This should answer your question:
> I just returned from a long trip to New Zealand and Australia.
> I took:
>
> 24mm f/2.8
> 28-135 mm IS
> 180mm f/3.5 macro
> 300mm f/4 L IS
> 1.4 and 2x TCs
>
> 10D and 1D Mark II bodies.
>
> For wildlife, the 300mm + 1.4x just gets in the ballpark
> (I got many great images and will post them in a few weeks).
>
> I used all the lenses. But if I had to return, I would
> drop the 180mm for a 400 mm f/4 (too bad Canon's 400 mm
> f/4 IS DO is so expensive). I would definitely
> take my 500mm f/4 if it was mainly a photo trip
> (this last trip was multi-purpose).
>
> The 300 f/4 on a 1D mark II body also autofocuses at
> f/8 with the 2x TC, which gives good image quality
> and autofocus with IS at 600mm f/8.
>
> Comments by others about the 70-200 mm f/2.8 are right
> on. If you only want 200mm, then it is a great lens.
> Which gives a sharper image: 70-200 L IS at 200 + 2x TC or
> 300 f/4 L IS + 1.4x TC? I do not know the answer,
> but I suspect the 300 f/4 might be slightly better
> because it is less magnification on a prime lens.
>
> Roger


Roger, I am jealous that you just got back from Down Under, but I am sure
you had a great time!

I wish I cold go with some of those prime lenses that you mention above, but
I really want a zoom. The 70-200mm L IS USM sounds like a good lens,
especially wth the 1.4x extener. I am just gonna have to get used to the
weight and bulk. I'm not 100% sure yet, but I am going to the photo shop
one more time to look at these lenses. I wish I could go to B&H and look at
them there for the best selection.

Clyde Torres

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"Clyde Torres" <clyde_torres@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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> Okay, gang, first I asked advice on a telephoto zoom lens for my
> sister-in-law's D70. Now I am asking for advice for my own Canon 20D. My
> walk around lens is a 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM. I am now looking to
> extend my range with the Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM. How do you
> all feel about this selection?
>


Well you've received a lot of advice on this one!!! ;-) I have both lenses
and love them both. Since I bought the 100-400 my smaller and lighter
(cheap) 70-300 has stayed in the bag and I'm thinking of removing it
altogether. I find myself using the two lenses exclusively anymore and to
be honest I use the 100-400 more then my 28-135. I use it so often I'm
seriously thinking about a second body so I can leave it permanently
mounted.

Weight: The lens is heavy but I don't have any problems holding it or
caring it around.

Push Pull Zoom: I've become completely comfortable with the push pull zoom.

Focus: I've read a lot about the lens being soft at 400mm. I've still
managed to get some great
results.

Dust: To early for me to judge yet. At this moment I do have one spec on my
sensor but I can't tell you if it's a result of the lens or the fact that I
swap lenses often.

Performance: As I said above, I'm very happy with the lens. The 70-200 and
400 prime maybe better performers, but for my
use and IMHO you can't beet the zoom range of the 100-400.

Here are a few samples.
http://www.pbase.com/rkircher/100400


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Rob
 

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