Cisco Apologizes For Weird Linksys TOS Agreement

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s3anister

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Too bad the fact that Cisco made this blunder in the first place is just another knock against them. Regardless of an apology, I'd be willing to bet that many users won't be using Cisco products anymore.
 

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whew!!!

thank goodness the news came out before buying EA4500...I was saving up for a new router since I gave my old E4200 to my uncle and aunt...

I'll wait and get the newer 802.11ac router from Buffalo or Netgear...
 

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I think it is a honest blunder and makes it look like they are spying on you. But really what I got from it when reading it then the explanation is that it can send data when there is a problem, much like when a app crashes on Windows and you are asked if you want to send a error report. From what they list it sounds like they just want customer support to be easier.

I don't think they would go beyond such because of the massive damage it would do to them in sales. It would be suicide as no one would buy a router that is going to be used to spy on them when they have the ability to buy others that do not. Still I guess the conspiracy theorists will not be putting tin foil hates on their routers now too.
 

john_4

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[citation][nom]s3anister[/nom]Too bad the fact that Cisco made this blunder in the first place is just another knock against them. Regardless of an apology, I'd be willing to bet that many users won't be using Cisco products anymore.[/citation]
Agree and I put you back at 0 after some little Tool thumbed you down.
 

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[citation][nom]john_4[/nom]And the Cloud is good for what reason?[/citation]

It is a wonderful resource for hackers and criminals?
 

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This cloud thing is getting a little out of hand. Cloud to manage your router? I never even used one of the Linksys pack-in CDs but I was always glad they were there for other people... less voice mail for me. But now we turn Cloud services to for easy setup.

So what happens when one of these Databases is hacked full of router IP addresses and credentials? I doubt the person who'd use this service knows how to force a WAN IP change. Fun times to be had by all! o_O?
 

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Buy a Ubiquiti PowerAPN and don't look back. This has been my standard model if you want a super powerful wireless N router.

I quit using Linksys since the WRT54GL. They haven't made any good products since then. Have had too many people with issues to ever recommend a Linksys product.
 

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[citation][nom]NuclearShadow[/nom]I think it is a honest blunder and makes it look like they are spying on you. But really what I got from it when reading it then the explanation is that it can send data when there is a problem, much like when a app crashes on Windows and you are asked if you want to send a error report. From what they list it sounds like they just want customer support to be easier.I don't think they would go beyond such because of the massive damage it would do to them in sales. It would be suicide as no one would buy a router that is going to be used to spy on them when they have the ability to buy others that do not. Still I guess the conspiracy theorists will not be putting tin foil hates on their routers now too.[/citation]

you are a fool apologist for a major corporation that is actively seeking to spy on customer internet history as explicitly stated in its TOS... all the apologetics in the world will not correct the intent to data-mine customer internet usage and if you buy that BS PR damage control put out by CISCO then I've got a bridge to sell you.
 

thecolorblue

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http://www.telepresenceoptions.com/2012/07/cisco_locks_customers_out_of_t/

However, the current policy reserves the right to change it back.

The current policy also allows Cisco to discontinue your access to your router if you download pornography, or if someone complains about you, without a court order, evidence or a chance to state your case and face your accuser.

They have also provided users with a way to back out of the "cloud management" "feature."

But, as noted, Cisco still reserves the right to change how your router works, even if you set it not to accept automatic updates.

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I'd love to see a CISCO PR Apologist defend the above... please.. .make my day
 

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Screw Cisco and Linksys....not worth the cost.... I'm sick of all this "in the cloud" BS... If the computer industry is that determined to move everything into "the cloud", I'll just have to stop supporting it. I refuse to be forced to use services that lack security....
 

thecolorblue

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extremetech is censoring posts critical to CISCO and critical to Extremetech's complete 180 degree coverage... apparently now Extremetech thinks CISCO should be trusted in the future because they have apologized.

just how many tech-sites are completely subservient to major corporations these days?
 

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I can see it useful in a private cloud (one inside of a company but not visible to the world), but not a public one.
[citation][nom]john_4[/nom]And the Cloud is good for what reason?[/citation]advertising profits. However, it does seem like it would enable easier access to your home devices from an outside connection
 

thecolorblue

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[citation][nom]demarest[/nom]Everybody makes mistakes. It's how we handle those mistakes that we are to be judged.[/citation]

Cisco had the intention of mointoring internet usage and forcing all users to use their cloud based solution which provided the added value of having Cisco monitor your internet usage as well as granting Cisco the power to kill your hardware and cut you off from the internet.

Those actions were the result of a Deliberate Decision Making Process. It was no Accident. It was not a Mistake. They were stupid to try it but in doing so Cisco has revealed what it actually would like to do. They got caught with their pants around their ankles and now they are "sorry" and "it was a misunderstanding" and they are in emergency PR damage control mode. It is all meaningless at this point... their intentions have been laid bare. Cisco cannot be trusted.

Only a completely asinine fool would trust a corporation like that moving forward. so yeah, I'm calling you a fool.
 

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I still don't understand how Cisco can make some of the best networking equipment in the business world, but they have completely failed on all fronts in the consumer realm. Destroyed the Linksys name brand and there own Cisco oriented consumer equipment was seriously lacking.

Messing with peoples hardware like that is beyond unacceptable, especially for a company like Cisco. I'd be utterly pissed if it happened to me, then again I think most people who seriously care about there routers and performance have already made the switch to Tomato/DD-WRT/Open DD-WRT by this point or even have built there own router from spare parts lying around.
 

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[citation][nom]thecolorblue[/nom]Cisco had the intention of mointoring internet usage and forcing all users to use their cloud based solution which provided the added value of having Cisco monitor your internet usage as well as granting Cisco the power to kill your hardware and cut you off from the internet. It is all meaningless at this point... their intentions have been laid bare. Cisco cannot be trusted.Only a completely asinine fool would trust a corporation like that moving forward. so yeah, I'm calling you a fool.[/citation]

Only a completely asinine fool would think everyone involved in the decision making processes at Cisco are total retards. You really think Cisco has any interest in monitoring your internet usage so they can cut you off? Can you really be that stupid? Why would Cisco have any interest in doing that?

By what screwed up line of reasoning did you use to come that conclusion? How would that in any way promote Cisco products or increase their revenue? I'm really interested to hear why you think Cisco would want to do that, and what financial benefit that would provide to them.
 
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