Front Projection TV's

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I'm thinking about finally jumping into the HD scene. Right now I'm
leaning towards a front projection TV, specifically a Sony(VPL-HS51)
that's supposed to be out this month.

My question is more of a general one for front projection TV's. What
features will I be giving up by not having a "traditional" TV? Off the
top of my head I'm assuming that split screen picture in picture will
be out along with being able to insert a memory stick for pictures
like some TV's now allow.

Am I correct and can you think of any other shortcomings to the front
projection method?

Thanks
 
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Sean wrote:

> I'm thinking about finally jumping into the HD scene. Right now I'm
> leaning towards a front projection TV, specifically a Sony(VPL-HS51)
> that's supposed to be out this month.
>
> My question is more of a general one for front projection TV's. What
> features will I be giving up by not having a "traditional" TV? Off the
> top of my head I'm assuming that split screen picture in picture will
> be out along with being able to insert a memory stick for pictures
> like some TV's now allow.
>
> Am I correct and can you think of any other shortcomings to the front
> projection method?
>

If you can't control the light level in your viewing room, you may be
giving up deep blacks and highly saturated colors.

Matthew
 
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Sean <sean386@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I'm thinking about finally jumping into the HD scene. Right now I'm
>leaning towards a front projection TV, specifically a Sony(VPL-HS51)
>that's supposed to be out this month.
>
>My question is more of a general one for front projection TV's. What
>features will I be giving up by not having a "traditional" TV? Off the
>top of my head I'm assuming that split screen picture in picture will
>be out along with being able to insert a memory stick for pictures
>like some TV's now allow.
>
>Am I correct and can you think of any other shortcomings to the front
>projection method?
>
>Thanks
>
I think the VPL-HS51 is a good choice. I have the VPL-HS20, which the
51 replaces. I'm very happy with it, except that the blackest parts
are dark gray. That's affected primarily by contrast ratio, which the
51 claims to improve considerably. Also I wish the 20 had the 51's
lens shift feature, which allows keystone to be eliminated optically
rather than digitally, improving the resolution. But I really don't
see any loss of resolution with the electronic adjustments.

The 20 has a Memory Stick socket; I expect the 51 does as well. It
also has lots of inputs, important if you don't have external
switching. Mine has DVI, HDMI, Component, Composite, S-Video, and a
proprietary connector and supplied cable that breaks out to an
additional set of Component, Composite and S-Video inputs. The only
thing missing is a VGA input, but you can get there with an adapter.

I wish the video adjustments were easier to get to (they're a few
steps down in the menu) but I wouldn't base a purchase decision on
that. And you'll find they do need adjusting, even after you get
everything "right" with a setup DVD. If only to switch between a
normal setting and one optimized for JAG and NCIS (chroma is way too
hot on those shows).

Lamps seem to be in short supply, but that's probably true for any
projector.

The zoom range is not great, so make sure you have a place to mount it
that is the right distance to fill your screen. You might want a gray
high-contrast screen. That should help some especially with ambient
light. I have a beaded screen from my days with a 3-beam CRT, and
with that the 20 has brightness to spare, even with iris on and lamp
low. I've read complaints that other HD displays don't handle SD and
NTSC as well as older NTSC sets. I think the 20 handles them as well
as can be expected. Not HD, but very acceptable. HD is razor sharp
and the colors are excellent.

Del Mibbler <mibbler@nycap.rr.com>
 

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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:28:41 GMT, Del Mibbler <mibbler@nycap.rr.com>
wrote:

>Sean <sean386@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm thinking about finally jumping into the HD scene. Right now I'm
>>leaning towards a front projection TV, specifically a Sony(VPL-HS51)
>>that's supposed to be out this month.
>>
>>My question is more of a general one for front projection TV's. What
>>features will I be giving up by not having a "traditional" TV? Off the
>>top of my head I'm assuming that split screen picture in picture will
>>be out along with being able to insert a memory stick for pictures
>>like some TV's now allow.
>>
>>Am I correct and can you think of any other shortcomings to the front
>>projection method?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>I think the VPL-HS51 is a good choice. I have the VPL-HS20, which the
>51 replaces. I'm very happy with it, except that the blackest parts
>are dark gray. That's affected primarily by contrast ratio, which the
>51 claims to improve considerably. Also I wish the 20 had the 51's
>lens shift feature, which allows keystone to be eliminated optically
>rather than digitally, improving the resolution. But I really don't
>see any loss of resolution with the electronic adjustments.
>
>The 20 has a Memory Stick socket; I expect the 51 does as well. It
>also has lots of inputs, important if you don't have external
>switching. Mine has DVI, HDMI, Component, Composite, S-Video, and a
>proprietary connector and supplied cable that breaks out to an
>additional set of Component, Composite and S-Video inputs. The only
>thing missing is a VGA input, but you can get there with an adapter.
>
>I wish the video adjustments were easier to get to (they're a few
>steps down in the menu) but I wouldn't base a purchase decision on
>that. And you'll find they do need adjusting, even after you get
>everything "right" with a setup DVD. If only to switch between a
>normal setting and one optimized for JAG and NCIS (chroma is way too
>hot on those shows).
>
>Lamps seem to be in short supply, but that's probably true for any
>projector.
>
>The zoom range is not great, so make sure you have a place to mount it
>that is the right distance to fill your screen. You might want a gray
>high-contrast screen. That should help some especially with ambient
>light. I have a beaded screen from my days with a 3-beam CRT, and
>with that the 20 has brightness to spare, even with iris on and lamp
>low. I've read complaints that other HD displays don't handle SD and
>NTSC as well as older NTSC sets. I think the 20 handles them as well
>as can be expected. Not HD, but very acceptable. HD is razor sharp
>and the colors are excellent.
>
>Del Mibbler <mibbler@nycap.rr.com>

Thanks for all that info. A couple of questions tho. Can I assume that
the split screen picture in picture is not available?

Can you explain what you mean by "the zoom range is not great"? I will
be placing the unit about 15 feet from a large wall. I'm assuming that
however big the image ends up being from that distance, I'll get a
screen to fit that even if it means a too big screen. Is there
anything wrong with that approach?

Thanks
Sean
 
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:29:22 -0400, Sean <sean386@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I'm thinking about finally jumping into the HD scene. Right now I'm
>leaning towards a front projection TV, specifically a Sony(VPL-HS51)
>that's supposed to be out this month.
>
>My question is more of a general one for front projection TV's. What
>features will I be giving up by not having a "traditional" TV? Off the
>top of my head I'm assuming that split screen picture in picture will
>be out along with being able to insert a memory stick for pictures
>like some TV's now allow.
>
>Am I correct and can you think of any other shortcomings to the front
>projection method?
>
>Thanks
>
Sean, Look at
http://www.projectorcentral.com/projection-calculator.cfm?part_id=2605
The calculator is a great feature. 15' will give you a diag of about
104" to 152". You can get a 110" diag that's 96"X54". If you use 1.5
times screen width then 12' is a good viewing distance. A screen can
cost from 1 to 3 K unless you use paint or screen goop. A must is to
spend alot of time on avsforum.com.
 
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Sean <sean386@yahoo.com> wrote (in part):

>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:28:41 GMT, Del Mibbler <mibbler@nycap.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Sean <sean386@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm thinking about finally jumping into the HD scene. Right now I'm
>>>leaning towards a front projection TV, specifically a Sony(VPL-HS51)
>>>that's supposed to be out this month.

(much deleted. About the VPL-HS20:)
>>The zoom range is not great, so make sure you have a place to mount it
>>that is the right distance to fill your screen.
>>
>>Del Mibbler <mibbler@nycap.rr.com>
>
>Thanks for all that info. A couple of questions tho. Can I assume that
>the split screen picture in picture is not available?

Certainly it's not on the 20; doubt it's on the 51.
>
>Can you explain what you mean by "the zoom range is not great"? I will
>be placing the unit about 15 feet from a large wall. I'm assuming that
>however big the image ends up being from that distance, I'll get a
>screen to fit that even if it means a too big screen. Is there
>anything wrong with that approach?
>
>Thanks
>Sean

Sony has charts showing the range of focus distance and image sizes
possible at various distances. It should all be in the user manual,
which you can download as a .pdf from this page:

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?CategoryName=tv_ProjectionTVs_FrontProjection&Dept=tv&TemplateName=item%2fsy_item_b&ProductSKU=VPLHS51

That should all be one line. ProjectorCentral has a throw distance
calculator for various projectors here:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/projection-calculator.cfm

If you do buy the Sony, may I recommend Cousin's Video? No, I don't
get a kickback from them; just excellent service on the two things
I've bought from them (the HS20 and an LG HD tuner/DVR). Good prices,
fast, no hassles, everything arrived in good shape. If you do buy
there, be sure to check out their Coupons and Special Offers forum;
you can always save an additional 2% and sometimes more.

Del Mibbler <mibbler@nycap.rr.com>