I ditched the Apple TV 4K for Chromecast with Google TV for a month — here’s what happened

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Our streaming editor spent a month reconsidering the Chromecast with Google TV. Here's why he's not sticking with it.

I ditched the Apple TV 4K for Chromecast with Google TV for a month — here’s what happened : Read more

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

"I used it for a week, during which time it hadn't learned what I was interested in, vs my apple tv that I've used for a long time."

"What I like about the apple tv is that it's dumb and only shows me apps"

Note that the problems with the on-screen ads don't exist if you buy the android tv versions, like the Shield or the walmart Onn 4k streamer.

The Onn device uses the same hardware as the chromecast, it has a far better and larger remote, and Walmart has issued more firmware updates faster for their box than google has with theirs. And it's under $20.

That's the perfect streaming device. Add an otg cable and plug in wired ethernet, storage or whatever. $6 for that.

 

[mf222]

All good points but there are ways around the default home screen since Android is customizable. Get the Button Mapper app and you can make any button launch any app. Then there are apps like F-Launcher or ATV that have great app interfaces you can use for the home button. For the price, this small amount of work is worth it and you can't do this on other devices.

 

[Dvdrsmth]

I also found the picture quality to be better on the AppleTV especially for YouTube TV but there were other examples. I really wanted to like Google’s device but the slower UI and inferior PQ had me returning the device.

 

[dlm9000]

I'm wondering if you used the Chromecast 4K or if you just use the HD model? I have a friend that has the Apple TV. 4K personally, I didn't find the picture and sound quality to be nearly as impressive as the Chromecast with 4K. In addition, the ease of installation and ease of setup between the Chromecast and the apple. There's really not much comparison. Chromecast is extremely easy to set up. I have two TVs with the Chromecast 4k version and I find the quality to be far superior personally. In addition, I find that streaming from my phone from my computer or other locations to be a lot easier. Also you can get add-ons like video stream which will play movies that are stored on your hard drive onto your Chromecast in excellent quality. Based on the price that you quoted, I think you use the HD model which is really for people who don't have a 4K television and it makes a little bit less expensive. If you get the full 4K version, it's far superior and a very big difference in my opinion from the apple

 

[ginandbacon]

"I used it for a week, during which time it hadn't learned what I was interested in, vs my apple tv that I've used for a long time."

"What I like about the apple tv is that it's dumb and only shows me apps"

Note that the problems with the on-screen ads don't exist if you buy the android tv versions, like the Shield or the walmart Onn 4k streamer.

The Onn device uses the same hardware as the chromecast, it has a far better and larger remote, and Walmart has issued more firmware updates faster for their box than google has with theirs. And it's under $20.

That's the perfect streaming device. Add an otg cable and plug in wired ethernet, storage or whatever. $6 for that.

Only if you never do an OS update. The Nvidia Shield got Google TV quite a while ago. I know because me, like lots of people were on Nvidia's forums complaining and their response was they were forced by Google so the only option was to do a factory reset, update to the latest update before they were forced to change to Google TV and never do an OS update again. Not sure what version this update happened in but it was a while ago. Same with the Walmart streaming device.. In fact on Walmarts site it says it comes with Google TV and has screenshots with ads. Google TV is a software layer running on top of Android TV so it's essentially the same but with ads that Google forces. This was roughly a year ago or more.

Google controls Google TV (and Android TV before the name change) so how does Walmart have more updates than Google's device if they actually control the OS? Similar to a pixel phone a Google device will always get the latest update first. The only difference is it's easier for third party manufacturers to upgrade because they don't completely reskin the entire OS like phone makers do like Samsung.

Fact is, Google forced Google TV on manufacturers who sold devices running Android TV to make money from selling ads which isn't a huge shock because it's Google and they like to do a bait and switch so they can make more money. You can switch launchers, that's it but underneath it's still Google TV which is just Android TV with a new skin with ads. Anyone with an Nvidia shield can confirm this unless they don't do OS upgrades.

Lastly, never buy a cheap Chinese no name Android TV box off Amazon, Linus did a piece on this recently and they are full of malware and are typically 1080p/720p and not 4K or HDR. They bought 12 cheap Chinese Android boxes from. Amazon and everyone had malware and/or ran at 1080p max. Some only at 720p.

It's sad that the Nvidia Shield is still the best android streaming box because it came out in 2019 and they used the same CPU as the 2017.model even though they claimed it was a faster processor. This has been proven I'm actually surprised they didn't get sued over it. That's why you can't get HDR for YouTube on any model of the Nvidia Shield. The processor can't do VP9 V2 which is the codec Google uses for HDR. It's a hardware limitation.

 

[ginandbacon]

All good points but there are ways around the default home screen since Android is customizable. Get the Button Mapper app and you can make any button launch any app. Then there are apps like F-Launcher or ATV that have great app interfaces you can use for the home button. For the price, this small amount of work is worth it and you can't do this on other devices.

I particularly like being able to use Home Assistant as a network ADB server to do voice commands like "hey Google, turn on Shield Netflix" to launch Netflix, you can pick your own trigger words also. Google Assistant or Alexa gets confused if you just use "Netflix" though.

Button mapper also helps with this if you have something like a Harmony hub because you can also have Home Assistant run the IR codes or remote control button combinations for voice commands if you don't want to run a network ADB server which is a little more involved to setup. After you do finish setting everything up you never have to touch it again unless you install more apps you want to be able to launch using voice commands. I also like being able to remap the default app buttons which I've always found annoying that you need button mapper to do this.

 

[ginandbacon]

I'm wondering if you used the Chromecast 4K or if you just use the HD model? I have a friend that has the Apple TV. 4K personally, I didn't find the picture and sound quality to be nearly as impressive as the Chromecast with 4K. In addition, the ease of installation and ease of setup between the Chromecast and the apple. There's really not much comparison. Chromecast is extremely easy to set up. I have two TVs with the Chromecast 4k version and I find the quality to be far superior personally. In addition, I find that streaming from my phone from my computer or other locations to be a lot easier. Also you can get add-ons like video stream which will play movies that are stored on your hard drive onto your Chromecast in excellent quality. Based on the price that you quoted, I think you use the HD model which is really for people who don't have a 4K television and it makes a little bit less expensive. If you get the full 4K version, it's far superior and a very big difference in my opinion from the apple

I noticed a sound quality difference on the last gen ATV4K. After some research I found out that it uses "Dolby MAT Atmos'. Instead of bitstreaming the audio too a soundbar or reciever to decode, the ATV4K decodes the audio and sends it out as PCM with the spatial metadata included. Dolby Atmos isn't an actual sound format. It's spatial metadata embedded in a Dolby Digital Plus (lossy) or Dolby TrueHD (lossless) format. Streaming services use Dolby digital plus while UHD disks use Dolby TrueHD.

Dolby claims there is no difference and the end results should be identical but I noticed a difference and so did many other people posting on Avsforums. You can only bitstream vanilla Dolby Digital with the ATV4K. Why they don't allow you to just send the audio signal to a soundbar or receiver like with android streaming devices is just puzzling to me. In fact, the entire idea of why Dolby came out with Dolby MAT puzzles me because the receiver or soundbar has to support it also so it seems pretty pointless. I think Dolby's official response is there is no latency when the player decodes the audio instead of a receiver or soundbar but any half way decent receivers/soundbars has some form of lipsych correction to fix any audio issues where the sound doesn't match up with what's on screen.

 

[Dvdrsmth]

I’ve read numerous reports of the Chromecast 4k with Google TV having lower picture quality issues with LG OLEDs. Check Reddit if you’re interested…

 

[vladmorosanu]

I am going to try and be as little biased as possible. I like Apple products, but they are not for me. They have great hardware but poor software and integrations. Personal opinion. I can confirm the Apple TV box os much, much better in terms of hardware and is a good use of older tech (older chips) with a new future.
Thay said, Google TV is kind of the norm. Get a Sony TV, you're stuck with that interface, etc. I've had a 4k Chromecast since it came out. Use it daily on my older LG OLED B6 because of - better suggestions and integrations.
No:
- it's not as fluid as apple TV.
- the remote is a lot less nicer than Apple
Yes:
- I think the market for Apple TV is based on users with iphone not having the option to airplay.
- Chromecast is 100% streaming just as good as anything else on the TV Apps. Only problem I can see is you need good WiFi else the antenna is smaller and gets less signal than the one on your tv (usually the whole frame is the antenna)
- I actually have about 80% on spot accurate suggestions from the interface and about 50% of the time I will take one of those recommended things to watch right from the start.
- if you have suggestions of shows based on interests, it makes having more than one streaming service worthwhile. I have watched stuff I never even knew were available because I can't be bothered to enter amazon prime for weeks, for example.
- it allows a lot of customization, but if you want a clean interface with icons only, you probably don't need customization.

All in all, I believe Chromecast to be the better buy, unless you are an iPhone user and need airplay which is not available on your TV. The Nvidia shield and others are much better and yes, I also believe the OP got the HD version not the 4K one with dolby vision, 4K, HDR, etc.

 

[sdmarathe]

All the writer had to do was turn it into app only mode if he didn't like recommendations. That's what I have and the interface is now good. I do hate the remote but the on streamer is a great alternative with better remote

 

[heymanster]

Pro: The apps only setting and button mapper have won me over. No more ads for services I don't subscribe to. FireTV keeps deleting my 3rd party launcher and Roku is missing a streaming service I use.

Con: The remote wheel is finicky. I think I'm pushing left or right but end up going a different direction.

 

[RupertR]

Unfortunately many shows are unwatchable for me through this device because of a frame judder problem the Google can’t or won’t fix: https://www.googlenestcommunity.com...ast-w-Google-TV-frame-rate-stutter/m-p/291927

 

[debackerl]

Google's is content oriented, while Apple's is app-oriented.

For me, open each app one by one to see what's new is a loss of time. I want a summary of new content on my homepage. That's why I resold my Apple TV.

I had the same problem why iOS in the past. All you would get was list of apps... while on my Android tablet, I could make widgets, and see my emails, calendar, news, all from the home screen.