Matt Damon Talks “Elysium” Tech vs. Social Justice

[Guest]

Elysium’s lead actor talks about realizing writer-director Neil Blomkamp’s balanced vision of entertainment and enlightenment.

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[shin0bi272]

for those that are uninitiated social justice is redistribution of wealth along socio-economic lines. Its essentially taking money from whites and giving it to blacks and hispanics. Its another term that the progressives have taken from religion and corrupted it to mean pretty much the exact opposite of what it is supposed to mean. yaaay socialism!

 

[MaxTesla]

@shin0bi272

The government should cut off your welfare checks throw you out on the street and see how long you survive.

Sitting at home drinking beer and eating chips and screaming how it is all people of different skin colour than yours, fault that YOU do not have a job

 

[annymmo]

Amerika and a lot of other places needs to progress.
More and better (more efficient) welfare.
More public schools instead of private!
That patents can expire is a good thing.
Have technology do all the work, seriously make machines to do all the work and let everyone enjoy their life!

 

[Martell1977]

Obamacare is the epitome of social division. The government will decide who gets what care and if they feel you are not worth the investment, they will let you die. Only the wealthy that can afford to pay for procedures out-right will get them, well, and those that the government feels are worth it.

Obamacare is so great that Obama exempted himself and all of the Senate, Congress and their staff from it. Not to mention all the Unions that helped push for it are now wanting exemption.

I find it funny that someone like Damon would make a movie like this, knowing that when Obamacare is in full effect, he will have the money to get whatever treatment he wants/needs.

Insurance companies aren't great but at least they don't have death panels to convince you that your better off dying than fighting for treatment. Death panels was one of the parts Obama copied from Europe and is partly why so many Europeans come here for treatment after their government tells them to go home, take pain killers and die.

The healthcare system needs to be fixed, but Obamacare is far from what is needed. Maybe if the "progressives" had let insurance companies compete across state lines, the competition would have kept the prices in check better. That and maybe enforcing our immigration laws...among other things. (FYI- there are progressives in both parties, most liberals are progressives and the GOP members Limbaugh calls "Establishment Republicans" are progressives, aka. McCain.)

 

[DRosencraft]

So much ineptitude in so few comments... don't even know if it's worth saying more to it.

At any rate, the question of managing social justice is one that has existed for a long time. A wealthy businessman decides he wants to start a beverage company and dams up a river. He can sell his drinks and even, say, donate bottled water to places that don't have clean water. But in the meantime he's ruined the businesses and lives of people who happen to live down river. A drug company creates a vaccine to a highly serious disease (or like how the Navy and others seem to be close to a Malaria vaccine). It costs millions if not billions to create, do they give it away to the 600,000+ people who die yearly from Malaria but make pennies a day, or charge for it and let those who can afford it, buy it. That is the heart of social justice. It is the question of the prevailing theory behind true capitalism versus theories of moral obligation and social equity. It's not a clear cut issue, and if you think it is then you're either lying to yourself or you're missing something.

 

[dalethepcman]

Wow. Seeing these kinds of comments makes me wonder exactly who paid you aholes to come to Tom's and post political garbage.

In the Immortal words from "Team America" - "Matt Damon"

 

[ethanolson]

@shin0bi272, Social Justice = Mob Rule

In other words, whatever the masses think is to their liking and to heck with due process. Progressivism just wants to define "enlightened selfishness" as social justice, but it's all about taking from the haves and giving some to me or at least it's under my control but it's OK because I'm also giving most of it to the have-nots... according to how I feel makes sense. Yeah... it's a tactic of sympathetic authoritarianism.

 

[gnice3d]

The efficiency in which those in power convince the masses that the world's problems stem from the powerless is a frightening thing... I am saddened to see this mentality permeate into a site which is historically frequented by intelligent and informed people.

 

[MaxTesla]

@Martell1977

And there you have it folks, people who do not know whats in the bill but THINK they know

The bill makes it illegal for insurance companies to drop you if you have a pre-existing condition

There are no death panels

Before Obamacare if you could not afford insurance you were on your own and if you had a pre-existing condition the insurance company could deny or take away your insurance

That is anything is a death panel

Now they cant do that, also Obamacare creates a market where everyone can see how much it would cost them to get insurance and you can compare

Again no death panels

Maybe you should actually read what is in the bill instead of sitting at home drinking beer, eating chips and having "ideas"

 

[warezme]

Blaming government, at least in the US, is like blaming yourself for what is wrong with government. The focus should be on taking back the control and dominant power of large corporations controlled by the few to influence how and what is available to the people. Bringing back the manufacture of products back to US soil and increasing opportunity to smaller companies by breaking up super corporations. It is obvious that if a corporation is so big that it needs a bailout to keep the economy from suffering that it is a monopoly and illegal. Use your voices not to bicker on forums but to agree to change what it obviously wrong with your votes.

 

[Martell1977]

@MaxTesla

Take your own advise. I've read a good amount of the bill and its a total mess. I haven't read all of it, but from what I have read it makes me wonder what drugs the authors were on when they wrote it.

Obviously they don't call them death panels, but there will be oversight panels setup to decide who will get what care when expensive procedures are needed. If denied treatment a "counselor" will be sent to basically tell you you're SOL.

Obamacare is pretty much eliminating full-time jobs as many companies are changing full timers for a couple part timers to avoid healthcare costs...which are skyrocketing.

What good are the "exchanges" when you can't afford any of it? It is devastating for many people to be cut back to part time and still try to support their families. I know a couple people that had to drop their insurance because the premiums have gone up over 200% thanks to the "affordable care act".

Obamacare doesn't actually provide anything except new taxes, penalties and yes death panels. Again, they are not called death panels in the bill as that would make their purpose too obvious. Can't afford insurance, you're still on your own except now you have to pay a penalty, so much better, right? Pre-existing conditions? Just because the company can't drop you doesn't mean they have to authorize treatment.

Point is and was of this and my first post...the system needs fixing but Obamacare is a horrid bill that is making it worse.

Explain how it is that its so wonderful yet Obama exempted himself and the others from it? Which is against the constitution, by the way.

 

[MaxTesla]

@ Martell1977

Tell me before Obamacare if something was too expensive for a person to get, would that person get the treatment????

Everything your write is a lie or a manipulation

And I am 100% for that you pay for everything 100% upfront and in advance and if you can't afford it well thats just too bad

 

[MaxTesla]

@ Martell1977

And unlike what the voices in your head say

Obamcare is much CHEAPER for the taxpayer

Because in the US of A a person showing up at the ER costs more than giving that same person treatment a year before his condition actually comes to stage where he needs to be in the ER

The senates own calculations show that it will be cheaper for the Tax payer

AND

The exchanges will make it cheaper for the person getting an insurance

Those are the FACTS

But dont let the FACTS get in the way of what you THINK

 

[MaxTesla]

@ Martell1977

And there are no death panels

It is only a fantasy you and other crazies invented

But again I am 100% for that you must pay for all treatments yourself, and if YOU cant afford it well then to bad

Also I find it very interesting that you a person who lives on welfare has no job got thrown out of school thinks he "knows" anything"

You have no idea what the bill is about or what it does.

 

[Martell1977]

@MaxTesla

LOL, no more cool-aid for you!

Just a thought, try doing some research from sources other than msnbc, abc, cnn, etc. The cost of Obamacare is not just healthcare costs. Lost non-government jobs, lost wages, reduction of hours for many, skyrocketing premiums, etc.

I've been stating what's in the bill, you are stating your opinion and what your politicians tell you. Try some original thought and do some actual research. You can attack me all you want, but it won't change what's in the bill.

 

[MaxTesla]

@Martell1977

More lies and manipulation from your side

Try and get your facts from other places than fox news, perhaps the bill itself

And I am 100% for that you yourself pay for all treatments out of your pocket and if you can not afford it then you should willingly just walk away and die on the street

The biggest problem with Obamacare is that even people like you will be able to get cheaper healthcare, where otherwise you would have died.

And you have not read the bill, you are dreaming of things the voices in your head say, not 1 fact from the bill, which I however have written.

 

[blackened144]

@MaxTesla: There are no "death panels". Then what is the purpose of the IPAB? The below is an excerpt from Howard Deans op ed in the WSJ. This is the same guy who called Sarah Palin out for lying about the so called "death panels".

"One major problem is the so-called Independent Payment Advisory Board. The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them."