Mininova Must Purge Copyrighted Torrent Links

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matt87_50

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[citation][nom]rigaudio[/nom]But .torrent files don't contain ANY copyrighted material.[/citation]

they contain the hash code to copyrighted material, and thus can be directly linked.
 

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There's a problem though. Windows and other software are copyrighted - but what if I already bought a copy? What if I lost the disk or are incapable of making a backup of it or translating it to another form so I can use it?

Of course, this is illegal for music and such...god forbid you use the things YOU bought which YOU own in whatever manner on whatever device in whatever format you want.
 

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Yeah, well. No argument with the law here. We really could do with accepting that what we (the majority anyway) do is wrong. And then find an alternative way to keep doing it.

Still, the way fines are decided are a joke. Those idiots really are just greedy twats. Makes me feel less guilty so it's not all bad.
 

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I can directly "link" to other illegal content, by the phone. So what now, everyone that sells illicit materials will bring down a lawsuit on their telco provider for providing the means (a phone number) to traffic illegal goods? This is so unbelievably stupid!
 

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Mininova was as good as dead when they started the removal of tens of thousands of everyones torrents back in the early part of this year, TPB is dead, its time to find somewhere new if you are into torrenting. I honestly think these guys have more at stake pursuing people like Mininova, Napster, Kazaa, TPB, ect. because it keeps those mobsters and lawyers alive making money.

Piracy gives me flashbacks of the movie "21" where the mob is trying to be the eyes and ears in the new age of technology which does it better. RIAA/BREIN/MPAA/BSA refuse to accept and embrace the online spectrum and adapt and instead try and live in the past century. Maybe these guys need to join the military and learn the motto "Adapt and overcome"
 

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[citation][nom]frozenlead[/nom]There's a problem though. Windows and other software are copyrighted - but what if I already bought a copy? What if I lost the disk or are incapable of making a backup of it or translating it to another form so I can use it?Of course, this is illegal for music and such...god forbid you use the things YOU bought which YOU own in whatever manner on whatever device in whatever format you want.[/citation]
If you lost the disc, if you lost the key, that's your fault and you have to go rebuy it. If you buy a TV but you "lose" your TV it doesn't give you the right to go to Best Buy and steal the TV because you "lost" it.
 

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I'm probably going to get kicked to -20 by all the pirates for saying this but I think this a great thing and a definite step toward the right direction.

By removing all torrents for copyrighted material the bittorrent network can finally be used what it was meant for... LEGAL filesharing and downloads (you know, like linux distros, korean MMO game setups etc.)
 

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[citation][nom]Matt87_50[/nom]they contain the hash code to copyrighted material, and thus can be directly linked.[/citation]

By that line of thought, By writting in my post "Microsoft windows 7", this is an infraction because I've written a name which is copyright protected even though I don't have the software it's related to.

If the problem is the hash, that have been made public from day 1 rtm on microsoft page.

 
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Waiting for them to go after www.google.com or www.msn.com since they host links to websites that contain copyright material o wait Microsoft/Google have the money and power to fight back never mind.
 

matt87_50

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I'ts just semantics, the fact of the matter is, you go to their site, download the torrent file, then use that to download pirated material, and the site knows this, there is absolutely no other purpose of a .torrent file that downloads pirated material other than to break the law. name a single other use for a torrent file called "district 9". the file can't be used for any legal purpose, so hosting it should be illegal.

I think the best solution (tho not a great solution)is a formal complaint system that requires sites to investigate and take down .torrents when a complaint is made by the copyright holder.

The hash code being in the file is relevant, it proves beyond reasonable doubt that that file is meant to download the file which the hash matches. simply naming the torrent file "district 9" isn't really proof enough that the .torrent file's purpose is to download a pirated version of district 9. but the fact that the hash code matches a pirated copy of district 9, and that the .torrent file will only ever download a file that matches the hash, proves beyond reasonable doubt that the torrent file's ONLY purpose is to download a pirated version of district 9.

I'm so sick of all you arrogant pricks who think you are some sort of uber l33t hacker just because you think have a system of downloading pirated material that can't be traced by the law, that it spreads the responsibility so thin that no one can really be held responsible.

In the virtual world, it doesn't matter where the data actually physically is. eventually when we move to cloud computing, no one will actually have any of their data, on their own hardware at home, so what then? no one can be guilty of possessing copyrighted material? or child porn?? its all just semantics, and the .torrent file should be just a illegal as the movie file it's self, because it is directly linked to it (what if someone made a streaming movie player where you just 'play' the torrent file, and the player streams it through bit torrent? how would the torrent file be any different from the actual movie file then?).

of course the "Google links to mini nova" argument comes in now, but the fact of the matter is its just easier for the authorities to go after mini nova, because that way they kill two birds with one stone, Google linking to pirated material should be just as illegal.

also, notice how both my, and the Dutch solutions don't adversely effect legitimate torrents in anyway? which makes it infinitely better than any DRM I've seen at least.
 

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[citation][nom]pakardbell486dx2[/nom]damn it!! not mininova................[/citation]
I know, mininova was the best of them all. They have a clean looking site and you can see others comments to know if the torrent was crap or not.
 

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[citation][nom]okibrian[/nom]I know, mininova was the best of them all. They have a clean looking site and you can see others comments to know if the torrent was crap or not.[/citation]

They are not ordering Mininova to shut down. They are just ordering them to remove torrents of copyrighted material... But of course that's why you're sad because you will no longer be able to illegally download all of your games and movies anymore.

If you think games and movies are too expensive to pay for then the way to boycott is not buy AND not pirate... >_> ... Draconian DRM that us paying users have to face is a direct result of you pirates, so thanks for all of the trouble. Enjoy your pirated games and movies.
 

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long live Usenet newsgroups! still going strong after all these years

always felt torrent files was the trailer park of the pirate scene. like the flea market of piracy..where everyone and their grandmother could download torrents and then cry "wtf! how do I run a bin/cue file..is that the Mac version or windows?".



 

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Core2uu either way hurts the studios... They complain that piracy is ruining the market, but in fact the market has not changed. People that one can't afford to buy movies and or games are not going to buy them, so the studio's are not losing a sale. They were never going to make that sale so piracy doesn't hurt studio's it's a farce, it's a way to get out of paying the taxes they should pay. They can show on paper that they lost income due to piracy and write it off as a loss reducing their taxes. This is all just a scam, then they can sue people that will never pay (more write offs)... In fact they don't want these people to pay then they would have to pay the taxes on the income.
 

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Quick! Some one put up the entire Mininova site (backup)on Torrent!
See: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/08/17/save-the-pirate-bay-to-your-hard-drive-with-21-3gb-torrent-i/

I wonder how big it would be? 18GB?
 

Core2uu

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@Blessedman: Do you really think that many pirates can't afford to pay? or is it that they just don't want to...

And this tax thing is really kinda stupid... I think the studios would rather that the consumer would pay for the goods they produce rather than write-off lost revenue for all of us taxpayers to pay off... I mean, look at it... do you honestly think the amount they save on taxes is the amount they would get if everybody paid for the games/movies they would buy?

If what you say is true, then what happens here is taxpayers are paying for pirates' games and movies... Once again, thanks pirates.
 
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