New York Auto Show 2024: here’s the one vehicle I'd buy over all EVs

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Fact ✓ #1: Tesla Model Y is CHEAPER than RAV4. Tesla Model Y starts at $36,490 (after $7,500 point of sale tax credit), according to ill-informed author the RAV4 is much more expensive at $43,000 😂
Fact ✓ #2: Plug-in gas engines are very inefficient and wasteful of batteries with only 2 miles of range per kWh. EVs get 4-5 miles per kWh.
Fact ✓ #3: Tesla has plenty of Superchargers all over the world. Nobody with a Tesla has any limits on traveling.
 
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Fact ✓ #1: Tesla Model Y is CHEAPER than RAV4. Tesla Model Y starts at $36,490 (after $7,500 point of sale tax credit), according to ill-informed author the RAV4 is much more expensive at $43,000 😂
Fact ✓ #2: Plug-in gas engines are very inefficient and wasteful of batteries with only 2 miles of range per kWh. EVs get 4-5 miles per kWh.
Fact ✓ #3: Tesla has plenty of Superchargers all over the world. Nobody with a Tesla has any limits on traveling.
Your “fact no. 3” is in fact wrong. They a trio over a large rural expanse or even through smaller cities without an interstate highway, not in California. It’s an EV (including Tesla) charging desert.
 
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As a RAV4 Prime owner I can confirm that your points about the car are correct and even slightly understated. I’m getting a 48 mile range with EV mode. I charge the vehicle fully in about 8.5 hours in my garage using the 120v charger that came with the vehicle. Living in Colorado, and going up to the mountains regularly, I have used the hybrid mode which is primarily the gas engine. It’s been fine. The range with gas is 540 miles. I think you’d have to be nuts to try to do that drive in the winter in a Tesla or any EV only vehicle because of the risk of a storm or five hour traffic jam on I-70. At times you get stuck not moving or behind a row of 3 plows doing 25 mph with no way to pass them. The gas engine gives me the security I need to make the drive without worry. Same thing for going to a trailhead for a 14er - it can take longer and be more challenging than expected and you do not want to get stuck where there is no cell service.
Overall the vehicle has been great. I do wish it had a few more amenities, and the visibility is okay, not awesome. I’d give the vehicle an 8.7 out of ten, all around.
 
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Fact ✓ Have fun waiting for your Tesla to charge while I continue in my trip for as long as I want.

And let's not forget issues of shorten battery life during hot summers and cold winters.

What is a fact is that gas infrastructure already exists and it only makes sense to use hybrids that sip gas and charge their batteries on the fly.

Hybridizing all vehicles could break our foreign oil independence and use the existing infrastructure we already have in place.

Hybrids are the only design that currently makes sense. I have no problem with full EVs, buy one if you want to - It's good to have options. I have a problem with them being mandated across the board.
 

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Fact ✓ #1: Tesla Model Y is CHEAPER than RAV4. Tesla Model Y starts at $36,490 (after $7,500 point of sale tax credit), according to ill-informed author the RAV4 is much more expensive at $43,000 😂
Fact ✓ #2: Plug-in gas engines are very inefficient and wasteful of batteries with only 2 miles of range per kWh. EVs get 4-5 miles per kWh.
Fact ✓ #3: Tesla has plenty of Superchargers all over the world. Nobody with a Tesla has any limits on traveling.
AWD vs AWD the Model Y LRAWD is 47990
tax credit is subject to tax liability
RAV4 prime has $6500 tax credit when leased.
117mpge vs 94mpg isn only 20% difference on efficiency not a factor 2.5x
also high mileage toyotas keep a low depreciation thanks to their reliability. value for a 2021 RAV4 prime vs 2021 is about 5k higher 30k vs 25k despite cheaper MSRP in 2021. Used Tesla value is much volatile because of the constant price changes. they used to have low depreciation when new Teslas had 6 months backorder. this era is over
phev used ~40miles daily (100% electric) makes a lot of sense. you can also easily make best use of the battery (80%) daily whereas a 300 miles EV driven 30 miles a day will degrade because of age, way before it does ~1000 cycles.
also scaling lets say over 50+% of world car sales to PHEV would be way more manageable than same number o BEV
RAV4 prime battery has a longer 10 year/150k warranty if you need a battery replacement
long range EVs make a lot sense for people who drive 150-200milea a day, like Uber drivers
35-40mpg highway is not more expensive than supercharging
if RAV4 prime is used 80-90% in EV mode it's lifetime emissions will be lower than an 80kWh Model Y LR

Ultimately both are solid choices and it comes down to personal preferences convenience of gas when you're away from home, and traditional car vs hypothetical FSD/robotaxi and lack of physical controls