Nokia Was the Largest Windows Phone Vendor in Q4 2011

[Guest]

It did not take much for Nokia to become the most popular supplier of Windows Phones. The Lumia 800 in particular drove growth for Nokia in this space, according to market research firm Strategy Analytics.

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[saturnus]

Market numbers provided by Nielsen recently indicated that Windows Phone 7.x has a market share of about 2.4 percent in the U.S.

According to the slide it's 1.4%. It's Windows Mobile that has a 2.4% share.

Note this is only for the relatively small in a global context US market. And the market where both the iPhone and Windows phones are strongest. There's no reason to think that Windows 8 will change this distribution significantly. If anything they can take over RIMs share of the market, and that's about it.

 

[mariusmotea]

From what i see: without Nokia WP = 1.3%, With Nokia WP = 1.4%. Nokia has 0.1% marketshare. This is not a good news for Nokia. They fight in a

 

[jdog2pt0]

You know, Windows Mobile was a good, albeit buggy, OS. Had Microsoft chosen to overhaul WM instead of coming out with WP, which reminds me of iOS in a lot of aspects, I think they could have a larger market share. The whole locked down aspect of WP bugs me, and that's why I'll never use it.

 

[sixdegree]

I wish Nokia massive success in the future with their WP platform. It's good to see another competitor rise to challenge Samsung and Apple in mobile phone market.

 

[JackFrost860]

[citation][nom]jdog2pt0[/nom]You know, Windows Mobile was a good, albeit buggy, OS. Had Microsoft chosen to overhaul WM instead of coming out with WP, which reminds me of iOS in a lot of aspects, I think they could have a larger market share. The whole locked down aspect of WP bugs me, and that's why I'll never use it.[/citation]

Windows Phone 8 is a complete redesign, written from scratch. I wouldn't say it's success will be influenced by Windows mobile once people start to try it out. I was skeptical, but having tried it i was amazed how clean and solid it is. I think WP is going to be huge.

 

[SchizoFrog]

[citation][nom]JackFrost860[/nom]Windows Phone 8 is a complete redesign, written from scratch. I wouldn't say it's success will be influenced by Windows mobile once people start to try it out. I was skeptical, but having tried it i was amazed how clean and solid it is. I think WP is going to be huge.[/citation]
And I think you mean WP7... ;-)

 

[jdog2pt0]

[citation][nom]JackFrost860[/nom]Windows Phone 8 is a complete redesign, written from scratch. I wouldn't say it's success will be influenced by Windows mobile once people start to try it out. I was skeptical, but having tried it i was amazed how clean and solid it is. I think WP is going to be huge.[/citation]

A complete re-build from WP7? If that's so, the Microsoft is really pulling out all the stops. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see WP succeed, but it will never appeal to me in its current state. I can't stand being told what I can and can't do, one reason why I'll never own an Apple product. Android is fun, but I'm really waiting for a true Linux phone. Most likely it'll be Ubuntu (what I'm using right now), but honestly I couldn't care less what flavor of Linux it is.

 

[SchizoFrog]

The fact that these units are shipping at all is a good sign, although I do believe there is a difference between units shipped and units sold to an end user.
The fact is that on a style level, Nokia have got it bang one and not for the first time, but the hardware inside is seriously underpowered in comparison to other unit specs, especially the new models due to come out in the next couple of months from HTC and Samsung. There is also the missing features from WP7 that won't be addressed until WP8 is launched, such as Memory Card support. Especially with media support from smartphones, 8GB is nowhere near enough space.
Personally I have been interested in the developments of WP but until my concerns regarding certain OS based features, the spec of the hardware is increased AND that some of the other previous WP supporters such as HTC start pushing it, I think I'll continue to wait.

 

[epdm2be]

Oh dear. A war between manufacturers over a measly 1,4% marketshare. Who the hell runs these companies these days?
From what I see is 1) that the left-over from Windows Mobile is choosing between iOS and Android (and lagely ignoring Windows Phone) and 2) Symbian isn't dying as fast as anyone is expecting.

Nonetheless shipping 900000 units is a feat on itself. I also wonder how many went in the hands of consumers.

 

[epdm2be]

Been doing some further calculations based on these charts.
---> so total WP phones = 1.8 million = 1.4%
----> half of it is Nokia = 900000 = 0.7%
which means from this table that Nokia Symbian devices stills outsell Nokia WP devices by 0.1% or 10/9. So they sold about 1.02 million Symbian devices.... hmmm... totals up to +1.9 Million devices sold in 1 quarter by that one company that's supposedly ain't doing well.

I 'd say it ain't too bad. Ofcourse tables like these are pure bollocks. It's the real numbers that count. In which case I don't believe this chart at all. I mran come on. According to this table
Windows Mobile still outsells Windows Phone by 1,7/1 while I haven't seen Windows Mobile devices in shops for over a year now nor have I seen them advertised in anyway[citation][nom]schizofrog[/nom]The fact that these units are shipping at all is a good sign, although I do believe there is a difference between units shipped and units sold to an end user.The fact is that on a style level, Nokia have got it bang one and not for the first time, but the hardware inside is seriously underpowered in comparison to other unit specs, especially the new models due to come out in the next couple of months from HTC and Samsung. There is also the missing features from WP7 that won't be addressed until WP8 is launched, such as Memory Card support. Especially with media support from smartphones, 8GB is nowhere near enough space.Personally I have been interested in the developments of WP but until my concerns regarding certain OS based features, the spec of the hardware is increased AND that some of the other previous WP supporters such as HTC start pushing it, I think I'll continue to wait.[/citation]
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[epdm2be]

Appologize to schizofrog: I didn't mean to quote his remark.

 

[back_by_demand]

I understand that this is the US version of the site, but when Nokia ships 900,000 units they go worldwide, so why aren't the worldwide figures used for market share? Mixing and matching with no way to work out without looking yourself may as well render the article useless.

 

[CaedenV]

I think people are seriously misunderstanding the potential of win8+WP8, especially once Office for ARM and other key pieces of business software and support are added. What really blows my mind is the near 50% of ios devices! I know a lot of mac users, but only know 4-5 people who actually have an iPhone of any generation. I know far more people who are on HTC android devices, but more still of people who are not on smartphones of any kind at all.
Personally I want a WP device, but I am not too keen on relying on web storage (skydrive) when data plans cost so much (and when skydrive is only 5GB). It's a great idea... but not with the plans currently offered. Slap a nice fat 32-64GB SD card in there and you have me sold!

 

[ronindaosohei]

No matter how you slice it sales of Windows Phone have been underwhelming. On the other hand I think Mango went a long way towards closing gaps between WP and Android or iOS, which will help. There are two problems/questions:

1. What will change WP market share?

2. How can WP compete with the momentum particularly in apps, it's sort of the classic Microsoft vs. Apple story in reverse, Mac failed to take off because of a lack of software, in this case WP has a similar limitation and no real incentive for developers to cross develop for WP when it represents only 1% of the market

I'd say Win8 represents a huge opportunity for Microsoft, they either make it there or they don't. If they leverage Win 8 into an eco-system that drives support for WP8 then they could have some success but they are pretty behind in market share, eco-system, and brand recognition, they are going to have to be willing to spend some significant money to close the gap. Best thing for them is probably the tablet space, since Android hasn't managed to get much momentum (ironically, again in large part due to poor app support), Microsoft might be able to provide an attractive alternative to OEMs for their tablet environment, which in turn might be able to be leveraged onto phones. The big question again is software, what will they have to excite and empower users? I for one am really holding out for Office on that platform, if Office isn't available near release that will significantly dampen it for me.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]ronindaosohei[/nom]1. What will change WP market share?.[/citation]
Adoption by handset vendors that have really nice hardware and lots of them, MS did well in the desktop arena because it worked with everything, that's why Android is doing so well because it's on hundreds of handsets. Nokia is a premium vendor, when you go into a phone shop and see handsets by Nokia, Samsung, Sony, HTC, LG, etc there will be something for everybody handset wise.

Then the OS will sell itself because it really is pretty slick.

 

[sykozis]

The company is estimated to have shipped 900,000 Windows Phones in Q4 up from zero in Q3. Strategy Analytics believes that this number has good enough to capture a third of the Windows Phone market as all other suppliers managed to only ship a combined 1.8 million units.

Since when is market share figured based on how many phones the company shipped? I always thought market share was figured based on the number of units that were actually sold to consumers. If shipped units = marketshare.....I feel sorry for all these companies that have Nokia phones piling up in their stock rooms with no buyers...

 

[eddieroolz]

Very solid figures for Nokia and I'm sure as they refine their processes and product design around WP7 it will get only better.