NY Brings Back Lawsuit Over Amazon Sales Taxes

[tuanmai]

In 1992, a Supreme Court ruling stated that online retailers can't be forced to collect sales taxes on out-of-state shipments unless they have offices in those states.

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[Ragnar-Kon]

Well, being an online shopper myself, I LOVE not having to pay taxes.

But at the same time, States need to get their money from somewhere. So online websites probably should charge sales tax... even though I don't like it.

Should be interesting to see how this turns out though...

 

[barmaley]

I don't know about other states, but here in Virginia you are supposed to pay state sales taxes on purchases made online if the total spendings for that tax year were $50 or more. It is the responsibility of the buyer not the seller to report your purchases during the year and submit appropriate funds along with the state income tax forms. So, if state isn't getting their money it's not Amazon's fault (again, here in Virginia).

 

[Trashit]

Feel free to correct me but it does sound like double dipping to me. Ok so online shopping traders dont have to charge their customers GST however that doesn't mean customers get away that easily, there's still the matter of shipping fees. Again sometimes the shipping free is waved if you spend above a certain amount or its bulk billed but eventually that parcel goes through a shipping/delivery company and they very much do pay tax. Whether it be from the employees salary that delivers your parcel to your door step or from the company itself or even the tax from the fuel needed to drive all those delivery trucks. Sooner or later some of your online spent money makes a pass through the tax mans office.

 

[Guest]

Aren't we taxed enough? The men who wrote the constitution meant for us to avoid being overtaxed. Federal and state tax laws are already taxing everything we touch. Next they are going to tax the air we breathe. I do not support states taxing us more than they already are. Online shopping was finally a chance for us to get a break from heavy handed taxing. If the states spent the money they already collect wisely, they would not have to constantly search for new ways to tax us. Remember that's what started the revolt against the Britain at the start of the revolutionary war. Unfair taxes!

 

[jmu03182]

you yanks do have a stange system. online purchases aren't from businesses in some mystical wonderland exempt from taxes. its just another method of ordering. do you pay tax when phone somewhere and order something? of course. the internet is just a different way of ordering a product and you should pay ur taxes on it. no wonder u have so much debt lol

 

[Camikazi]

[citation][nom]jmu03182[/nom]you yanks do have a stange system. online purchases aren't from businesses in some mystical wonderland exempt from taxes. its just another method of ordering. do you pay tax when phone somewhere and order something? of course. the internet is just a different way of ordering a product and you should pay ur taxes on it. no wonder u have so much debt lol[/citation]
Yea that's the reason for debt, it can't the MASSIVE overspending by the government right? They increase taxes just to cover their own stupidity on what they overpay on.

 

[Guest]

I love not paying taxes but the states are really getting short changed. going to b&m also supports jobs in your communty. there should be a small tax or tax everythng over certain amount say $100.

 

[Guest]

We have the same thing going on up here in Canada. Ordering stuff from a different province we have to pay the federal tax but not our provincial one unless the company has offices / stores / establishments in our province.

I don't think it's unfair to local businesses because I sometimes prefer driving 30 minutes and buying what I want right away than wait 2-5 days to get delivered for pretty much the same amount since, when using online retailers you're of course saving taxes, but you're paying delivery / shipping, which, in another way, creates income for the province by creating jobs for local people which creates local income by the means of more taxes!

 

[njalterio]

[citation][nom]jmu03182[/nom]you yanks do have a stange system. online purchases aren't from businesses in some mystical wonderland exempt from taxes. its just another method of ordering. do you pay tax when phone somewhere and order something? of course. the internet is just a different way of ordering a product and you should pay ur taxes on it. no wonder u have so much debt lol[/citation]

You would benefit from doing a little research before posting baseless, uninformed opinions:
http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_of_purchase
http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumption_tax

What country do you live in that has no debt?

 

[MeanSquare]

The general concept behind taking sales tax is that the business is using the public infrastructure and should be helping to pay for it. (That's why online businesses with offices in a state are required to collect it.) If there is only online presence in the state then collecting sales tax can't be justified by anything more than "we want it." These online businesses are already paying for the only infrastructure they do use (roads, etc.) by paying the companies they use to deliver the goods.

 

[oxxfatelostxxo]

Idk about you ppl, but the 31% that they take out of my paycheck i feel is more than enough from me...

 

[wackyphill]

MeanSquare is exactly right. Online businesses out of state don't use public infrastructure and have obliogation to pay taxes on things they dont use.

 

[f-14]

[citation][nom]jmu03182[/nom]you yanks do have a stange system. online purchases aren't from businesses in some mystical wonderland exempt from taxes. its just another method of ordering. do you pay tax when phone somewhere and order something? of course. the internet is just a different way of ordering a product and you should pay ur taxes on it. no wonder u have so much debt lol[/citation]

you brits are just as in debt, and you tax for earning, having, and spending money. stop finding new ways to tax people your giving our government too many ideas on what they think they are entitled to, hahaha!

there's already double dipping going on, your taxed for making money and taxed for spending it. that's FDR's fault for associating with Churchill too much i guess, as there was no tax on citizens for earning money before him.
and the states arguements are negated becuase they get to tax the delivery driver on his wages, the company he works for on their earnings, and the taxes on equipment and fuel used to make the deliveries, so they actually make out better, right now it's a democratically elected america and democrats have already spent everything and are just looking for more ways to steal money to spend on their socialism programs. that's the way it's been since FDR every time the democrats get control. republicans appear to have turned the same way since Reagan.

it used to be the goverment made it's money off tarriffs and business taxes. in alot of states online goods are only taxed if it's going to a buyer of the same state as the seller.
i would not be opposed to a federal sales tax on all goods sold so long as they do away with the income tax, or just keep the income tax put everybody at 10-15% and do away with sales taxes.

 

[mtyermom]

The idea of 'no tax for out of state purchase' is not limited to online. If you walk into a store to purchase an item and have the store ship it to your out of state address, guess what, you don't pay tax on the purchase.

 

[bhaberle]

Damn you NY. Leave us all alone.

 

[toxxel]

I tent to buy items online over locally because of tax if I can wait for the item to be shipped, doesn't help that you can usually get free shipping as well where the savings it too much to pass up.

 

[geoffs]

[citation][nom]jmu03182[/nom]you yanks do have a stange system. online purchases aren't from businesses in some mystical wonderland exempt from taxes. its just another method of ordering. do you pay tax when phone somewhere and order something? of course. the internet is just a different way of ordering a product and you should pay ur taxes on it. no wonder u have so much debt lol[/citation]

NY will lose if they try again. This is a long established interstate commerce issue. Most/all the states have a "use tax" that the purchaser is required to report and pay in these circumstances, NY should focus their efforts there, or in getting the law changed.

In practice, states don't spend much trying to enforce or collect the use tax from individuals, it's just not cost effective. However, if you make a large purchase from an out of state company, or you're a business who purchases items that are subject to a use tax, most/all states are actively enforcing it with audits, etc.

NY is completely misdirecting their efforts in this matter, and wasting their taxpayer's money as well as Amazon's money.

 

[mayne92]

[citation][nom]bhaberle[/nom]Damn you NY. Leave us all alone.[/citation]
If the states could...they would tax the air that we breathe for each breathe or the breathe that you would think about taking while your holding your breathe so not to be taxed... /rant&sarcasm

 

[beayn]

Canada's tax changes mean HST is charged on all online purchases regardless of what province the online store is located in and where the buyer is. It really hits the pocket book along with natural gas, electicity, gasoline, groceries and general recession price hikes...

Getting a little off topic here but just pointing out that in Canada it no longer matters. All online sales have provincial taxes on them now. It sucks.