Obama to Veto Legislation That Would Kill Net Neutrality

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Obama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?

Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.
 

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This guy has done nothing but damage to this country, so it sure seems a little odd that he'd take a decent position on something right before election.
 

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The internet drives everything, it has to remain open. The consequences of not having net neutrality is scary. And it is truly disheartening that our politicians would try to pass this type of legislation. +1 for Obama if he vetoes this crap.
 

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Cable and phone companies are going to be doing everything they can in the next 10 years to slow the progress of internet comunication and entertainment down because if left to grow freely, comcast and the phone companies will be non existant, maybe even the cell phone companies.

Once people are given more chioces for internet service providers and more and more entertainment is available via internet, the cable and satelite companies will be dropped like a brick. The only thing holding people back now is that there is not much choice for isp. Once more and more people drop cable and opt for Netflix/Hulu on their Roku/PS3/Xbox, the ISPs are going to start cutting the max bandwidth to keep people from doing this. The companies are already sending millions of dollars to special interest lobbyists to convince congressmen and senators to change laws that where already in place to protect the consumers. Several years ago, there was a law requiring the cable companies to supply unencrypted HD signals of the local channels so that customers could get local channels in HD without the use of a box. About a year and a half ago, Lobyists convinced congress to change that law and allow comcast and others to encrypt all of their channels.
 
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^ He's a politician....what do you expect? Sincerity?

Anyway, that's a good thing to hear.
 

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[citation][nom]Xatos[/nom]This guy has done nothing but damage to this country, so it sure seems a little odd that he'd take a decent position on something right before election.[/citation]

How can we expect one man to make shit from shit. Saying he has done nothing but damage this country is quite myopic. Let's not forget about the Bush era tax cuts, the overstretched military, and the bursting housing bubble that all existed when Obama came into office. I for one would never wish that sort of job on anyone. In all honesty, we can't depend on one person to solve all of our problems. As a society we need to change the way we think and live if we really want to change the environment in which we live. Imagine how much money in medical costs we could save if everyone took responsibility for their bodies and exercised.
 

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[citation][nom]enkichild[/nom]Obama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.[/citation]
This time, it sounds like we will get to see his "opinion" before we vote for him the next time.

In my opinion, his opponents, at least those who are still in the race, would never even consider vetoing a bill like this.
 

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[citation][nom]singemagique[/nom]How can we expect one man to make shit from shit. Saying he has done nothing but damage this country is quite myopic. Let's not forget about the Bush era tax cuts, the overstretched military, and the bursting housing bubble that all existed when Obama came into office. I for one would never wish that sort of job on anyone. In all honesty, we can't depend on one person to solve all of our problems. As a society we need to change the way we think and live if we really want to change the environment in which we live. Imagine how much money in medical costs we could save if everyone took responsibility for their bodies and exercised.[/citation]
[citation][nom]singemagique[/nom]How can we expect one man to make shit from shit. Saying he has done nothing but damage this country is quite myopic. Let's not forget about the Bush era tax cuts, the overstretched military, and the bursting housing bubble that all existed when Obama came into office. I for one would never wish that sort of job on anyone. In all honesty, we can't depend on one person to solve all of our problems. As a society we need to change the way we think and live if we really want to change the environment in which we live. Imagine how much money in medical costs we could save if everyone took responsibility for their bodies and exercised.[/citation]
Well said.

In our local elections, I found it interesting that one candidate ran a smear campaign that was full of lies. It seems he did this to cover the fact that he was a newbie, and had no experience at all. Fortunately, the populous caught on and did not elect this sh*t throwing liar.

This strategy echos the strategy used by one party in the last national elections. Tell your primary supporters, in the case, the Tea Party, that you were in favor of what they favored, then immediately after being elected, tell your supporters that you have no intent of following through. Nice politicians in that party. They continuously tell lies because it is known that if you say something enough times even if it is a lie, people will believe it.

I think it is unfortunate that people will hear what they want to hear. Some politicians capitalize on this, and depend on their constituents anger to be the could that prevents those same constituents from verifying the truth in the politician's statements. Perhaps the only way that such people will see the light, since they fail to verify the facts themselves, is to vote in those who spout what they want to hear, and then once their candidate is in, realize that they brought a nightmare on themselves.

As long as we continue to put up with politicians spouting outright lies just to get elected (which seems similar to the crap we hear for many products on the market), the mess we are in will continue to be our responsibility.
 

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[citation][nom]enkichild[/nom]Obama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.[/citation]

Obama by objective measures has been a good president, if he were a "white" republican the truth is the country would be salivating over him. Here are the facts of my argument

He took over a government in January 21, 2009 with the following problems

Here was the situation when Obama took office

1) Losing 750,000 jobs a day

2) 8.1% employment, which had risen since end 2006 from 4.9% to February 2009 8.1% (Republcian talking point Obama said stimulus would keep unemployment under 8%, we know this is not true for 2 reasons a) he never made that claim nor did his administration b) it was already over 8% when he actually took office)

3) $1.2 Trillion dollar budget deficit, while people like to say it's Obama's debt, that's incorrect , the 2009 budget year is actually set in 2008 by the previous Administration, so we already $1.2 trillion deficit

4) Dow was in the 6000's

5) In the mist of the worst recession since 30's, a 6% reduction in GDP, 3x's larger than Reagan's recession, had been in full swing since June 2007

6) Iraq and Afghan wars raging, draining Budget, not as much as the Bush tax cuts, which by that point were approaching the $3.5 trillion dollars in cost, the wars had cost about $1 trillion at that point

7) Al Queda crippled but Osama still running lose

So let's see where we stand today

1) We've added jobs 20 of the last 24 months, sure we need to add more jobs but we aren't losing 750,000 jobs a month now are we

2) Did the stimulus work, you bet your .... ing axx it did, we ended the recession by September 2009, meaning it was the first quarter of US Growth in more than 2 years, unemployment still climbed, but think about this a 6% reduction and unemployment would only climb anoter 2% points peaking in 2010 at 10.2%, by estimates we need to infuse the economy with about $2.5 trillion, we only did $1 trillion, but unemployment still never rose as high as Reagan's 10.8% , and REagan had a much smaller recession, and today we are about 9%, so yeah it isn't beloved patriot dorry, but we are way better than where we were and we avoided a depression

4) Dow up more than 5000+ points today.

5) Obama couldn't stimulate , and cut taxes and still reduce the deficit, it's impossible,even with the GOP refusing to give revenues, Obama did not increase the deficit, which stands at $1.25 trillion for this years budget, so he didn't add significant debt to the US although not being able to reduce, and mind you Obama still gave the largest tax cut in US history, many people don't know that

6) We are out of Iraq, we have reduced forces in Afghanistan the troops will eventually come home

7) probably the most daring decision in recent history, the raid into Pakistan , that got Osama, ballsy, Patreus citing it as the greatest decision he's seen a president make, and to boot Obama knocked out Al-wahari , and Ghadaffi (Ghadaffi didn't cost us a single US life) and the new Libyan government has already paid us back the $1 billion it cost us to be involved in the NATO campaign, think aobu this one, $1 billion is exactly .00027% or what we spent in a little more than ~2 days in Iraq and Afghanistan.

LIke I said Obama by all objective measures has been impressive, not perfect, but impressive, if the GOP got out of the way and let him operate the way he can as comander and chief , the economy would be doing that much better.
 

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Funny how this gets past democrats in the house and senate. Watch him veto this only for some changes and then sign it after the may elections. The change you can believe in is how often his opinion will change.
 

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[citation][nom]Xatos[/nom]This guy has done nothing but damage to this country, so it sure seems a little odd that he'd take a decent position on something right before election.[/citation]

You sound like a very articulate and intelligent person. Why don't you then elaborate on what he has done to damage this country?
 

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Actually net neutrality has been dead... everything that made it really neutral and useful for citizens and consumers was snipped away by lobbyists for big telco companies. It's beyond weak on any rights as it is and has countless loopholes. Nothing but a "look I'm doing good so I am a good guy" legislature with no real cause.
 

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[citation][nom]TunaSoda[/nom]Obama wants to win the election.There, I fixed it[/citation]


What politician doesn't wnat to win an election? I've never understood that comment?
 

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I for one am still pissed that the FCC thinks they can pull this crap. The net neutrality is broader line treason. I don't care one way or the other what is says, the FCC is not an elected body, therefore pulling this crap is grounds for treason. If congress took NN word for word and passed a lot of people who are pissed would not say a word, myself being one. Get congress to pass it and most of the opposition will go away. The general public that is.
 

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[citation][nom]Xatos[/nom]This guy has done nothing but damage to this country, so it sure seems a little odd that he'd take a decent position on something right before election.[/citation]

Prove it. I can prove the opposite

[citation][nom]enkichild[/nom]Obama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.[/citation]

Obama by objective measures has been a good president, if he were a "white" republican the truth is the country would be salivating over him. Here are the facts of my argument

He took over a government in January 21, 2009 with the following problems

Here was the situation when Obama took office

1) Losing 750,000 jobs a day

2) 8.1% employment, which had risen since end 2006 from 4.9% to February 2009 8.1% (Republcian talking point Obama said stimulus would keep unemployment under 8%, we know this is not true for 2 reasons a) he never made that claim nor did his administration b) it was already over 8% when he actually took office)

3) $1.2 Trillion dollar budget deficit, while people like to say it's Obama's debt, that's incorrect , the 2009 budget year is actually set in 2008 by the previous Administration, so we already $1.2 trillion deficit

4) Dow was in the 6000's

5) In the mist of the worst recession since 30's, a 6% reduction in GDP, 3x's larger than Reagan's recession, had been in full swing since June 2007

6) Iraq and Afghan wars raging, draining Budget, not as much as the Bush tax cuts, which by that point were approaching the $3.5 trillion dollars in cost, the wars had cost about $1 trillion at that point

7) Al Queda crippled but Osama still running lose

So let's see where we stand today

1) We've added jobs 20 of the last 24 months, sure we need to add more jobs but we aren't losing 750,000 jobs a month now are we

2) Did the stimulus work, you bet your .... ing axx it did, we ended the recession by September 2009, meaning it was the first quarter of US Growth in more than 2 years, unemployment still climbed, but think about this a 6% reduction and unemployment would only climb anoter 2% points peaking in 2010 at 10.2%, by estimates we need to infuse the economy with about $2.5 trillion, we only did $1 trillion, but unemployment still never rose as high as Reagan's 10.8% , and REagan had a much smaller recession, and today we are about 9%, so yeah it isn't beloved patriot dorry, but we are way better than where we were and we avoided a depression

4) Dow up more than 5000+ points today.

5) Obama couldn't stimulate , and cut taxes and still reduce the deficit, it's impossible,even with the GOP refusing to give revenues, Obama did not increase the deficit, which stands at $1.25 trillion for this years budget, so he didn't add significant debt to the US although not being able to reduce, and mind you Obama still gave the largest tax cut in US history, many people don't know that

6) We are out of Iraq, we have reduced forces in Afghanistan the troops will eventually come home

7) probably the most daring decision in recent history, the raid into Pakistan , that got Osama, ballsy, Patreus citing it as the greatest decision he's seen a president make, and to boot Obama knocked out Al-wahari , and Ghadaffi (Ghadaffi didn't cost us a single US life) and the new Libyan government has already paid us back the $1 billion it cost us to be involved in the NATO campaign, think aobu this one, $1 billion is exactly .00027% or what we spent in a little more than ~2 days in Iraq and Afghanistan.

LIke I said Obama by all objective measures has been impressive, not perfect, but impressive, if the GOP got out of the way and let him operate the way he can as comander and chief , the economy would be doing that much better.

Oh and the healthcare, do you even know 1 provision of it, I bet you don't, if people actually took the time read it, they know for the people it's a good thing, I bet you don't knw the mandate was also a republican idea going back to the 90's as a counter to clintoncare.
 
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