Please recommend a program to remove "gold eye" from cats

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"Joseph Meehan" <sligojoe_Spamno@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> MaryL wrote:
>> "Joseph Meehan" <sligojoe_Spamno@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> MaryL wrote:
>>>
>>>> ..
>>>> Thanks. I got the invite, and the correction you showed is exactly
>>>> what I would like to be able to do.
>>>>
>>>> MaryL
>>>
>>> Like I said I used Adobe Elements 3. Version 2 had the same
>>> feature and many other photo editing programs offer like features. In
>>> Elements it is called the clone tool. Of course that would only
>>> work where you have one good eye to copy. However Elements and most
>>> other good editing programs have other tools that can handle the
>>> problem with both eyes. You might replace color or use their red
>>> eye tools.
>>> --
>>> Joseph Meehan
>>>
>>> Dia duit
>>>
>>
>> I should have made my question more clear. I have never used a clone
>> tool. Is it a difficult procedure to learn? Can you give me any
>> ideas? I just received the Starter Edition of Adobe Photoshop
>> Album. I'll see if I can do anything similar -- or I would be
>> willing to look into Elements if using the clone tool is a relatively
>> easy task. So far, I have done only the most *basic* editing by
>> using ThumbsPlus.
>> Thanks very much for your help.
>>
>> MaryL
>
> I don't think Album includes the tool. You might try searching on the
> word clone in the help file. Instructions will vary depending on the
> specific program but I would expect Album to be close to the same IF it
> has the function.
>
> In Elements, the clone tool has several attributes you can set. I
> chose a size large enough to take in the eye. Then I chose a 25%, The
> procedure was to move the tool (now a circle) over the good eye and press
> an alt right click (maybe shift click) to copy the eye, then move over to
> the other eye, where a right click will past a 25% transparent left eye
> over the right, repeat until you get the effect you want each one will
> make the effect stronger. Note this only works when the eyes are very
> close to the same size etc. You also have to be sure to line up the tool
> the same on both eyes.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> --
> Joseph Meehan
>
> Dia duit
>

Thanks a lot. That is very helpful. I think I may have an earlier version
of Elements that shipped with a printer or scanner some years ago. I'll try
to look it up. I may want to purchase that if it has tools I can use with a
relatively easy learning curve.

MaryL

 

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MaryL wrote:
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>> "MaryL" <carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
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>>> "Gene Palmiter" <palmiter_gene@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>>> Well...the color in the eye is what was there...the camera took
>>>> what was in the scene. Red eye or gold is not so much removed as
>>>> replaced. There is no program that knows how your cat's eyes look
>>>> and put them in instead. You will have to take out what you don't
>>>> want and paint in what you do want. Cat's eyes are very large in
>>>> the dark so a black spot would be accurate but not appealing.
>>>> Maybe you could take some photos of the cats with in ordinary
>>>> light and paste them over the gold.
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Gene Palmiter
>>>> (visit my photo gallery at http://palmiter.dotphoto.com)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, it may be that I won't be able to do what I hoped, but I have
>>> seen some good results from "red eye." Here's a photo of one of my
>>> cats that shows the problem (in one eye) that I was trying to
>>> describe.
>>> http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL320/476350/1916528/34609798.jpg
>>> MaryL
>> It's a nice shot, but it looks more like glare off the eye than light
>> bouncing back from the retina. I'm not exactly sure what to do, but
>> just about any version of Photoshop or a Photoshop clone should
>> work. You'll have to do it manually, as you've discovered a redeye
>> program won't work. As others have said, you should probably take
>> the color from the eye that looks okay and use it to fill in the
>> problem areas.
>> On the other hand, if you can get the flash just right, you can make
>> a cat's eyes look awesome.
>>
>
> Do you have suggestions as to how I should use the flash? I have a
> Nikon 8800 digital camera. I also have an external Nikon flash
> (SB-600 Speedlight). It can be tilted to any angle. Bounce light
> really won't work because my ceilings are so high that there is
> nothing to bounce from (if I understand the technique correctly), but
> I could tilt the head to any angle. As long as it is attached, the
> built-in flash is automatically turned off, so that is not a problem.

That 600 should be strong enough to bounce off the ceiling or a wall
assuming they are white.

>
> Thanks,
> MaryL

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

 

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"Joseph Meehan" <sligojoe_Spamno@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> MaryL wrote:
>> "Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote in message
>> news:dvWdnaYlspblxWjfRVn-gw@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "MaryL" <carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
>>> news😀QTIe.2937$HM1.1024@okepread03...
>>>>
>>>> "Gene Palmiter" <palmiter_gene@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:eATIe.51$lT.26@trndny05...
>>>>> Well...the color in the eye is what was there...the camera took
>>>>> what was in the scene. Red eye or gold is not so much removed as
>>>>> replaced. There is no program that knows how your cat's eyes look
>>>>> and put them in instead. You will have to take out what you don't
>>>>> want and paint in what you do want. Cat's eyes are very large in
>>>>> the dark so a black spot would be accurate but not appealing.
>>>>> Maybe you could take some photos of the cats with in ordinary
>>>>> light and paste them over the gold.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Gene Palmiter
>>>>> (visit my photo gallery at http://palmiter.dotphoto.com)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, it may be that I won't be able to do what I hoped, but I have
>>>> seen some good results from "red eye." Here's a photo of one of my
>>>> cats that shows the problem (in one eye) that I was trying to
>>>> describe.
>>>> http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL320/476350/1916528/34609798.jpg
>>>> MaryL
>>> It's a nice shot, but it looks more like glare off the eye than light
>>> bouncing back from the retina. I'm not exactly sure what to do, but
>>> just about any version of Photoshop or a Photoshop clone should
>>> work. You'll have to do it manually, as you've discovered a redeye
>>> program won't work. As others have said, you should probably take
>>> the color from the eye that looks okay and use it to fill in the
>>> problem areas.
>>> On the other hand, if you can get the flash just right, you can make
>>> a cat's eyes look awesome.
>>>
>>
>> Do you have suggestions as to how I should use the flash? I have a
>> Nikon 8800 digital camera. I also have an external Nikon flash
>> (SB-600 Speedlight). It can be tilted to any angle. Bounce light
>> really won't work because my ceilings are so high that there is
>> nothing to bounce from (if I understand the technique correctly), but
>> I could tilt the head to any angle. As long as it is attached, the
>> built-in flash is automatically turned off, so that is not a problem.
>
> That 600 should be strong enough to bounce off the ceiling or a wall
> assuming they are white.
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> MaryL
>
> --
> Joseph Meehan
>
> Dia duit
>

Okay, I'll try it -- but the ceiling in the den is vaulted, so it's about
14' high. On the other hand, the instructions *do* list significant
distances. In fact, I originally bought the 800 and then exchanged it for
the 600 because it was so bulky and I thought it was "too much" power for
what I need.

MaryL

 

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In article <gESIe.2933$HM1.245@okepread03>, "MaryL"
<carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a program to remove "gold eye" (for lack of a better
> term) from photos of my cats? It does not need to be free -- although that
> would be nice -- but it does need to be *easy* to use. Programs that remove
> red eye don't work -- this is not true red eye, and those programs simply
> give the eyes a grayish aspect, or somethings no change at all.

MaryL-

Along the lines of the comment by Larry Lynch, I agree that the best
solution may not be a graphics program. Of course that may be the only
option for existing photos.

Another approach is to use a diffuser on the flash. Perhaps the best
solution is use of a "blimp" if you have a separate flash. Using a
built-in flash, you might achieve some improvement by placing one or more
layers of plain white paper in front of it.

Larry's slave approach should work. If you don't like the lighting
effects, try bouncing the flash off of a white surface or umbrella.

Fred

 

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Fred McKenzie wrote:
> In article <gESIe.2933$HM1.245@okepread03>, "MaryL"
> <carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone recommend a program to remove "gold eye" (for lack of a better
>> term) from photos of my cats? It does not need to be free -- although that
>> would be nice -- but it does need to be *easy* to use. Programs that remove
>> red eye don't work -- this is not true red eye, and those programs simply
>> give the eyes a grayish aspect, or somethings no change at all.
>
> MaryL-
>
> Along the lines of the comment by Larry Lynch, I agree that the best
> solution may not be a graphics program. Of course that may be the only
> option for existing photos.
>
> Another approach is to use a diffuser on the flash. Perhaps the best
> solution is use of a "blimp" if you have a separate flash. Using a
> built-in flash, you might achieve some improvement by placing one or more
> layers of plain white paper in front of it.
>
> Larry's slave approach should work. If you don't like the lighting
> effects, try bouncing the flash off of a white surface or umbrella.
>
> Fred

Look at PaintShop Pro 9. The Red Eye removal tool allows you to work
with animals' eyes and change color as desired. It's a great program.