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I have searched the groups, but have not seen any side by side pictures,
or what I feel is solid evidence for me to make a good decision... I
bought a Nikon D-70 'bundle'. The lens it came with is a Nikkor 28-80mm
f3.3-f5.6 G AF (a $65.00 lens) Now after looking at this group and
elswhere, 'normal' kit lens is a Nikon 18-70mm AF-S DX f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED
Zoom Lens (a $300 lens) It makes sense to me a $300 lens would be
'better' than a $65 lens. Plus it seems crazy to put a $65 lens on a
$800 camera body. BUT, I am not looking for bragging rights or 'snoot
status'. I realize the skill of the person behind the camera is as
important as the equipment, so (drum roll for $300 question) without
using a jeweler's loupe, is it 'easy' to tell the difference (say in an
8X10) which of the above lenses is used?????? Thanks
 
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In article <Ew8Me.913$AT7.583@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
Wolfgang Schmittenhammer <tonguesten@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I have searched the groups, but have not seen any side by side pictures,
> or what I feel is solid evidence for me to make a good decision... I
> bought a Nikon D-70 'bundle'. The lens it came with is a Nikkor 28-80mm
> f3.3-f5.6 G AF (a $65.00 lens) Now after looking at this group and
> elswhere, 'normal' kit lens is a Nikon 18-70mm AF-S DX f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED
> Zoom Lens (a $300 lens) It makes sense to me a $300 lens would be
> 'better' than a $65 lens. Plus it seems crazy to put a $65 lens on a
> $800 camera body. BUT, I am not looking for bragging rights or 'snoot
> status'. I realize the skill of the person behind the camera is as
> important as the equipment, so (drum roll for $300 question) without
> using a jeweler's loupe, is it 'easy' to tell the difference (say in an
> 8X10) which of the above lenses is used?????? Thanks

How do you intend on using the Loupe for a digital file, or a computer
-inkjet print. A loupe will be pretty worthless. A poor quality
lens however will show things like color fringing or other (aberrations)
and those kind of things possibly won't be noticeable to an average user
as opposed to professionals or important clients. Then again the glass
maybe fine but there may be trade offs like small maximum aperture, or
even fixed aperture.

To put this into perspective when I got my D70 last June I put a set of
closeup filters on the lens to make detail shots of some flowers, Yes in
some places the camera picked up color fringing from the use of the
filters. I would more than likely put the GAF lens you inquire about on
par with the filter set- FWIW.

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"Wolfgang Schmittenhammer" <tonguesten@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Ew8Me.913$AT7.583@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
> I have searched the groups, but have not seen any side by side pictures,
> or what I feel is solid evidence for me to make a good decision... I
> bought a Nikon D-70 'bundle'. The lens it came with is a Nikkor 28-80mm
> f3.3-f5.6 G AF (a $65.00 lens) Now after looking at this group and
> elswhere, 'normal' kit lens is a Nikon 18-70mm AF-S DX f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED
<snip>

The main difference is the focal length. Will you see a difference? At
least in terms of field-of-view the answer is yes. Is it worth buying
another lens with 90% duplicated coverage? Maybe not. You might want to
pick up a fast ultra-wide prime for the same money.

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In article <Ew8Me.913$AT7.583@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
Wolfgang Schmittenhammer <tonguesten@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>I have searched the groups, but have not seen any side by side pictures,
>or what I feel is solid evidence for me to make a good decision... I
>bought a Nikon D-70 'bundle'. The lens it came with is a Nikkor 28-80mm
>f3.3-f5.6 G AF (a $65.00 lens) Now after looking at this group and
>elswhere, 'normal' kit lens is a Nikon 18-70mm AF-S DX f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED
>Zoom Lens (a $300 lens) It makes sense to me a $300 lens would be
>'better' than a $65 lens. Plus it seems crazy to put a $65 lens on a
>$800 camera body. BUT, I am not looking for bragging rights or 'snoot
>status'. I realize the skill of the person behind the camera is as
>important as the equipment, so (drum roll for $300 question) without
>using a jeweler's loupe, is it 'easy' to tell the difference (say in an
>8X10) which of the above lenses is used?????? Thanks

Not having used the 28-80mm lens which you have, I can't really
answer your question.

However -- I have another question of my own:

How did the "bundle" price compare to that of the D70 "body
only" and the D70 "kit" (that is, with the 18-70mm lens?

And what other things might have been tossed in to the "bundle"
to make it perhaps a better deal than it seems.

The normal D70 in "body only" format comes with:

1) The body (of course).

2) A body cap, to keep dust out of the camera's interior
when no lens is mounted.

3) One battery.

4) The battery charger and power cord.

5) The neck strap.

6) A clip to blank off the eyepiece when shooting with no eye
at the viewfinder.

7) The owner's manual.

8) Whatever packaging.

Note that there is *no* Compact Flash card with the "body only"
package. You are expected to either have some CF cards, or to purchase
your own choice at the time you purchase the camera. (While I had some
CF cards already, they were far too small for reasonable use in a D70,
so I purchased a Lexar 1GB 80X card at the same time. I also purchased
a spare battery, so I could be sure to be able to swap out a nearly
discharged battery in the middle of a lot of shooting. I subsequently
bought a second identical CF card.

There is also no camera bag, and no tripod. I have seen both
made parts of bundles which I opted not to try, because I already had
(several of) each. I saw these when checking out eBay offerings, before
deciding that a local dealer would be the better choice for me.

So -- did you get the $300.00 difference in other equipment
which *you* could use? If not, you may have been seriously ripped off.

I can't compare what you paid with what I paid, because I
suspect that you purchased yours quite a while after I got mine. This
is, in part, because you refer to it as an "$800.00 camera body", and
mine cost me $999.00 from a local camera dealer (part of a chain).

At that time, the "kit" was significantly over $1300.00, and I
thought that I did not need the "kit" lens. I subsequently decided
otherwise and purchased one. The lens which you received is less (in
terms of focal length range) than the lens which I already had, and
which has been excellent aside from lacking sufficient wide angle
capability.

Good Luck,
DoN.
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Wolfgang Schmittenhammer wrote:

> I have searched the groups, but have not seen any side by side pictures,
> or what I feel is solid evidence for me to make a good decision... I
> bought a Nikon D-70 'bundle'. The lens it came with is a Nikkor 28-80mm
> f3.3-f5.6 G AF (a $65.00 lens) Now after looking at this group and
> elswhere, 'normal' kit lens is a Nikon 18-70mm AF-S DX f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED
> Zoom Lens

>so (drum roll for $300 question) without
> using a jeweler's loupe, is it 'easy' to tell the difference (say in an
> 8X10) which of the above lenses is used?????? Thanks

Main difference for most people is mostly going to be in the field of view,
wider lenses are more expencive to make. Plus the better lens most likely
is better at larger fstops, while the cheaper lenses normally are only
really good at 1 or 2 fstop settings near the middle of their range.

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Don,
I don't know if it was a REAL good deal.. What is your opinion (listed
below)??? Flash cards are very inexpensive, the gadget bag, the flash
reader don't amount to much, but I did get 2 lenses????? Here is the
'BUNDLE' I got.... The good part is I paid for it and $300 more with
'stuff' I got that was literally going to the scrapyard and sold it on
E-bay!?!? E-bay rules!!!! Thanks everyone for the help... Dave M

Kit containing the following: Qty: 1 Price Ea:
$1,099.95 Subtotal: $1,099.95 Nikon D70 Digital SLR Camera
Nikon AF 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6 G Lens (Black)
Nikon AF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 G Lens
Lexar Media 512MB 80x Professional Series CompactFlash (CF) Card
High Speed USB 2.0 CompactFlash (CF) Card Reader
Spare EN-EL3 Battery for Nikon
Nikon SLR System Case - Gadget Bag
Microfiber Cleaning Cloth
Nikon 2 YR Digital SLR Extended Warranty (D70/D100) Qty: 1
Price Ea: $92.25 Subtotal: $92.25

Shipping: $28.00
Sales Tax: $0.00
ORDER TOTAL: $1,220.20



DoN. Nichols wrote:
> In article <Ew8Me.913$AT7.583@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
> Wolfgang Schmittenhammer <tonguesten@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>I have searched the groups, but have not seen any side by side pictures,
>>or what I feel is solid evidence for me to make a good decision... I
>>bought a Nikon D-70 'bundle'. The lens it came with is a Nikkor 28-80mm
>>f3.3-f5.6 G AF (a $65.00 lens) Now after looking at this group and
>>elswhere, 'normal' kit lens is a Nikon 18-70mm AF-S DX f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED
>>Zoom Lens (a $300 lens) It makes sense to me a $300 lens would be
>>'better' than a $65 lens. Plus it seems crazy to put a $65 lens on a
>>$800 camera body. BUT, I am not looking for bragging rights or 'snoot
>>status'. I realize the skill of the person behind the camera is as
>>important as the equipment, so (drum roll for $300 question) without
>>using a jeweler's loupe, is it 'easy' to tell the difference (say in an
>>8X10) which of the above lenses is used?????? Thanks
>
>
> Not having used the 28-80mm lens which you have, I can't really
> answer your question.
>
> However -- I have another question of my own:
>
> How did the "bundle" price compare to that of the D70 "body
> only" and the D70 "kit" (that is, with the 18-70mm lens?
>
> And what other things might have been tossed in to the "bundle"
> to make it perhaps a better deal than it seems.
>
> The normal D70 in "body only" format comes with:
>
> 1) The body (of course).
>
> 2) A body cap, to keep dust out of the camera's interior
> when no lens is mounted.
>
> 3) One battery.
>
> 4) The battery charger and power cord.
>
> 5) The neck strap.
>
> 6) A clip to blank off the eyepiece when shooting with no eye
> at the viewfinder.
>
> 7) The owner's manual.
>
> 8) Whatever packaging.
>
> Note that there is *no* Compact Flash card with the "body only"
> package. You are expected to either have some CF cards, or to purchase
> your own choice at the time you purchase the camera. (While I had some
> CF cards already, they were far too small for reasonable use in a D70,
> so I purchased a Lexar 1GB 80X card at the same time. I also purchased
> a spare battery, so I could be sure to be able to swap out a nearly
> discharged battery in the middle of a lot of shooting. I subsequently
> bought a second identical CF card.
>
> There is also no camera bag, and no tripod. I have seen both
> made parts of bundles which I opted not to try, because I already had
> (several of) each. I saw these when checking out eBay offerings, before
> deciding that a local dealer would be the better choice for me.
>
> So -- did you get the $300.00 difference in other equipment
> which *you* could use? If not, you may have been seriously ripped off.
>
> I can't compare what you paid with what I paid, because I
> suspect that you purchased yours quite a while after I got mine. This
> is, in part, because you refer to it as an "$800.00 camera body", and
> mine cost me $999.00 from a local camera dealer (part of a chain).
>
> At that time, the "kit" was significantly over $1300.00, and I
> thought that I did not need the "kit" lens. I subsequently decided
> otherwise and purchased one. The lens which you received is less (in
> terms of focal length range) than the lens which I already had, and
> which has been excellent aside from lacking sufficient wide angle
> capability.
>
> Good Luck,
> DoN.
 
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I didn't think there was that much difference in the fstop of the
two lenses I listed (or is it??)
> f3.3-f5.6 lens compared to f/3.5-4.5 lens, neither looks like a
'fast' lens. Would there be a big difference in what I see as a rather
small difference in aperature size???????
I was looking at my old Yashica camera, the lenses on this are low
price, but I could see a difference in a 1.4 lens, didn't realize there
was that much difference in SLR to DSLR lenses.. ... I know the more
you close the aperature, the smaller percentage of the lense you are
using, thus making for less irregularities in the lense focusing
properties. Dave M


Stacey wrote:
> Wolfgang Schmittenhammer wrote:
>
>
>>I have searched the groups, but have not seen any side by side pictures,
>>or what I feel is solid evidence for me to make a good decision... I
>>bought a Nikon D-70 'bundle'. The lens it came with is a Nikkor 28-80mm
>>f3.3-f5.6 G AF (a $65.00 lens) Now after looking at this group and
>>elswhere, 'normal' kit lens is a Nikon 18-70mm AF-S DX f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED
>>Zoom Lens
>
>
>>so (drum roll for $300 question) without
>>using a jeweler's loupe, is it 'easy' to tell the difference (say in an
>>8X10) which of the above lenses is used?????? Thanks
>
>
> Main difference for most people is mostly going to be in the field of view,
> wider lenses are more expencive to make. Plus the better lens most likely
> is better at larger fstops, while the cheaper lenses normally are only
> really good at 1 or 2 fstop settings near the middle of their range.
>
 
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