Spanish Police Arrest 3 Anonymous Members

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The Robin Hoods of the Internet, with their so called "freedom" ... free so long as it doesn't conflict with their views of how life should be. Their attacks are pathetic at best, purile, and junior grade. But their apparent need to be "public" is their undoing.
 

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It contained software "specifically designed for the creation of malware," and "sophisticated encryption techniques" for hiding their identity and presence while performing attacks through open Wi-Fi networks.
So they had notepad and tor yet they still got caught. They must have said some pretty dumb stuff in those logs to get caught.
 

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I have to say, I'm a pro "Robin Hood" as V8V put it. Sony deserved what they got, and some of the various other web sites did too. Alot of our freedoms as independent nations are slowly being passed over the gov'ts. Its not just sony, it really is the lobbiest's that are running our legal systems and gov't. Anon is proof of what we can do if united. We are Legion! Not all hacks/attacks are called for though.
 

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[citation][nom]dormantreign[/nom]I have to say, I'm a pro "Robin Hood" ...[/citation]
I guess I am more stupid than I thought I was.

You need to explain to me why Sony "deserved" these recent DDoS attacks.
 

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We don't need anonymous to collapse our administrative structure, we have these diametrically opposed political parties that do that without any outside assistance called republicans and democrats. Hell it took them 9 extra months just to agree to keep paying their employee's.
 

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[citation][nom]jsc[/nom]I guess I am more stupid than I thought I was.You need to explain to me why Sony "deserved" these recent DDoS attacks.[/citation]

Look up wiki's for SOX, HIPAA, GLBA, and PCI DDA. If Sony had bothered to implement these, then they wouldn't have had as many problems.

If your favorite pizza place had your name picture address birthday phone number and credit card number above their door, would you want to know?
 

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[citation][nom]dormantreign[/nom]I have to say, I'm a pro "Robin Hood" as V8V put it. Sony deserved what they got, and some of the various other web sites did too. Alot of our freedoms as independent nations are slowly being passed over the gov'ts. Its not just sony, it really is the lobbiest's that are running our legal systems and gov't. Anon is proof of what we can do if united. We are Legion! Not all hacks/attacks are called for though.[/citation]


While both sides seem to be compounding this issue more than needed, the ball is really in groups like Anon's court, since they're the ones with a "mission" of sorts.

The best way to destroy an enemy is to make him a friend.
-Abraham Lincoln

If they really want something to change for the better, maybe they should go about it in a more constructive way, and take it up with the people who can actually do something about it (like the government), instead of a company that still offers a free online service at a loss to themselves (if you ignore the optional PSN Plus), compared to a certain competitor of theirs who pocketed over 18 billion last year and still has the nerve to charge people for their alternative service.

There are reasons companies protect their intellectual properties that extend far beyond "greed" or "arrogance" etc. The thousands of people they employ, and the families those people have who rely on that income to support themselves, probably didn't appreciate those attacks on PSN. Same with all the victims of the Tsunami disaster in Japan, which cost Sony billions (although insurance will probably cover most of it).
It's hard to look at it with a mature mindset and say Sony deserved to be hacked, along with all the unrest it caused their userbase who were merely trying to enjoy a free service.

Put it this way: how do the actions of whomever hacked PSN build more feelings of trust and integrity among consumers than the company they felt justified doing it to? Sure, the service had lackluster security, and it's good that better security was built as a result of the hack, but it's troubling to think this all started because someone couldn't just respect a company's EULA boundaries in the first place, and felt entitled to exploiting a major branch of their livelihood for anyone to take advantage of.

The whole "Robin Hood" mentality kinda reminds me of communism, and why it has never worked. Human beings generally have an instinctive drive to get ahead in life, and taking the fruits of one man's labor and giving it to another who does nothing destroys that. While there will never be a perfect world and many poor people aren't poor by choice, most people are rich because they worked their butts off to get there. Same with many companies, such as Sony who had humble beginnings in the rubble of Tokyo after WWII.

The problem is that the business world we live in today values money above all else, and to prosper means to adhere to that to at least some degree. The companies that built the computers, networks, raw materials, utilities, etc. that Anon used in their attacks are just as guilty as Sony and whoever else they hacked. The rabbit hole goes far deeper than any seemingly justifiable haction they've taken so far, which makes it imperative to stop perpetuating this destructive cycle. The sad part is there is no easy, painless way to go about it for anyone.


 

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Can't wait till they make hacking a Cyberterrorist threat.

I just can't believe they stole the consumers personal information. We are not the enemy. Thanks alot. Really. You can't call yourselves robin hood anymore, he stole from the rich and gave to the poor. You are stealing from US... Do you not see the irony in that?
 

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I may not be a hacktivist but I stand by Anonymous.
They mainly go after people who try and repress freedom of speech, and the people that try and control others lives.

The people who say you can't you can't you can't.
They stand up for them and say they can!

They may have there bad eggs but every group does, we got soldiers who sell out there own country for profit, we even got generals who do it.
We got the company's who sell there work to other countries, so they can turn a bigger profit.

Where there is good there will always be bad.
But there will always be those who stand up for what is right no matter what the personal cost or sacrifice.

There are more anonymous members willing to do this.
Then there are people willing to stop them.

There might be a few bad people in them.
But that is a universal rule, where there is good there will always be bad.
 

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[citation][nom]badaxe2[/nom]While both sides seem to be compounding this issue more than needed, the ball is really in groups like Anon's court, since they're the ones with a "mission" of sorts. The best way to destroy an enemy is to make him a friend.-Abraham LincolnIf they really want something to change for the better, maybe they should go about it in a more constructive way, and take it up with the people who can actually do something about it (like the government), instead of a company that still offers a free online service at a loss to themselves (if you ignore the optional PSN Plus), compared to a certain competitor of theirs who pocketed over 18 billion last year and still has the nerve to charge people for their alternative service. There are reasons companies protect their intellectual properties that extend far beyond "greed" or "arrogance" etc. The thousands of people they employ, and the families those people have who rely on that income to support themselves, probably didn't appreciate those attacks on PSN. Same with all the victims of the Tsunami disaster in Japan, which cost Sony billions (although insurance will probably cover most of it). It's hard to look at it with a mature mindset and say Sony deserved to be hacked, along with all the unrest it caused their userbase who were merely trying to enjoy a free service. Put it this way: how do the actions of whomever hacked PSN build more feelings of trust and integrity among consumers than the company they felt justified doing it to? Sure, the service had lackluster security, and it's good that better security was built as a result of the hack, but it's troubling to think this all started because someone couldn't just respect a company's EULA boundaries in the first place, and felt entitled to exploiting a major branch of their livelihood for anyone to take advantage of. The whole "Robin Hood" mentality kinda reminds me of communism, and why it has never worked. Human beings generally have an instinctive drive to get ahead in life, and taking the fruits of one man's labor and giving it to another who does nothing destroys that. While there will never be a perfect world and many poor people aren't poor by choice, most people are rich because they worked their butts off to get there. Same with many companies, such as Sony who had humble beginnings in the rubble of Tokyo after WWII. The problem is that the business world we live in today values money above all else, and to prosper means to adhere to that to at least some degree. The companies that built the computers, networks, raw materials, utilities, etc. that Anon used in their attacks are just as guilty as Sony and whoever else they hacked. The rabbit hole goes far deeper than any seemingly justifiable haction they've taken so far, which makes it imperative to stop perpetuating this destructive cycle. The sad part is there is no easy, painless way to go about it for anyone.[/citation]

The government favors big business so don't expect their help. Journalists have become the mouthpieces for political agendas so no point in listening to them. The people have become ignorant and sedated so they won't bring about change.

As far as their service being free, they do have certain products like PSN Plus they sell, they accept credit card information, and they are responsible for it's protection. Their network isn't free, it's paid for by others.

While Sony's reputation was damaged by the incident, the industry as a whole benefits, because all other companies are now forced to heighten their security. What if the DDoS from Anon didn't happen, but the theft of information did happen, and went unnoticed? It shouldn't have been as easy as it was to hack into Sony databases, so they are in no way victims in this matter.



 

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[citation][nom]jsc[/nom]I guess I am more stupid than I thought I was.You need to explain to me why Sony "deserved" these recent DDoS attacks.[/citation]
they went after 5 million people who read news about ps3 hacking, not did it, but read the @#%$ing news, thats when !@#$ hit the fan and the masses turned on sony.

[citation][nom]badaxe2[/nom]While both sides seem to be compounding this issue more than needed, the ball is really in groups like Anon's court, since they're the ones with a "mission" of sorts. The best way to destroy an enemy is to make him a friend.-Abraham LincolnIf they really want something to change for the better, maybe they should go about it in a more constructive way, and take it up with the people who can actually do something about it (like the government), instead of a company that still offers a free online service at a loss to themselves (if you ignore the optional PSN Plus), compared to a certain competitor of theirs who pocketed over 18 billion last year and still has the nerve to charge people for their alternative service. There are reasons companies protect their intellectual properties that extend far beyond "greed" or "arrogance" etc. The thousands of people they employ, and the families those people have who rely on that income to support themselves, probably didn't appreciate those attacks on PSN. Same with all the victims of the Tsunami disaster in Japan, which cost Sony billions (although insurance will probably cover most of it). It's hard to look at it with a mature mindset and say Sony deserved to be hacked, along with all the unrest it caused their userbase who were merely trying to enjoy a free service. Put it this way: how do the actions of whomever hacked PSN build more feelings of trust and integrity among consumers than the company they felt justified doing it to? Sure, the service had lackluster security, and it's good that better security was built as a result of the hack, but it's troubling to think this all started because someone couldn't just respect a company's EULA boundaries in the first place, and felt entitled to exploiting a major branch of their livelihood for anyone to take advantage of. The whole "Robin Hood" mentality kinda reminds me of communism, and why it has never worked. Human beings generally have an instinctive drive to get ahead in life, and taking the fruits of one man's labor and giving it to another who does nothing destroys that. While there will never be a perfect world and many poor people aren't poor by choice, most people are rich because they worked their butts off to get there. Same with many companies, such as Sony who had humble beginnings in the rubble of Tokyo after WWII. The problem is that the business world we live in today values money above all else, and to prosper means to adhere to that to at least some degree. The companies that built the computers, networks, raw materials, utilities, etc. that Anon used in their attacks are just as guilty as Sony and whoever else they hacked. The rabbit hole goes far deeper than any seemingly justifiable haction they've taken so far, which makes it imperative to stop perpetuating this destructive cycle. The sad part is there is no easy, painless way to go about it for anyone.[/citation]

i hate to say this, but us government has been bought and sold by big businesses LONG ago, all they do not is helping police business ideas. going to the government is a lost cause unless you are asking them to make a law that can be used against you.

big business doesn't give a flying @#$@ about its employees, so long as they don't die in a way they can be sued. sony went after 5 million people, even if it was just a scare tactic, that @!#$ isn't acceptable, they NEEDED a slap in their face, and got a MASSIVE kick to the balls. in a way, their scare tactic worked, but worked out for the consumers, because i cant imagine any other company being that arrogant again... for the next 5-10 years, depending on laws in favor of businesses.

the point is that YOU bought a piece of hardware, THEY changed what you could use it for, and THAT motivated people to put it back in. it all escalated from their.

if YOU take their eula as word of god, than you don't own that system. its as simple as that, you rent it from them.

and the robinhood thing... yea... bending over and taking it is the way we should be... i just want to guess that if in real life if someone told you to grab your ankles you would fight to the death to try and stop them, in big business and government, our complaints fall on deaf ears, because they dont care. a few million people is STILL A MINORITY TO THEM, if it takes a well placed flaming arrow to get the message across, than so be it.

the world isnt black and white, its usually a shade of gray.
 

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And Robin Hood ultimately failed. Nice story, but the ending is not in Anonymous favor ... their flaw is that "fame and glory" and they also seem to think that everyone wants "freedom" ... whatever that is.
 

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Oh, and to Anonymous, get over it already ... it's not just corporations that don't care what you think, it's the "little" people too ... they are the ones that get screwed in this so call "Robin Hood" crap you pretend to be.
 

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[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]Look up wiki's for SOX, HIPAA, GLBA, and PCI DDA. [/citation]
So two wrongs make a right?

[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]they went after 5 million people who read news about ps3 hacking, not did it,
[/citation]
And this is different from DeCSS, how?

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... the point is that YOU bought a piece of hardware, THEY changed what you could use it for, and THAT motivated people to put it back in. [/citation]
How is this different from Apple?

I agree; you bought a piece of hardware. You should be able to do what you want with it. OTOH, if you owed an early PS3, Sony did not break into your house in the still of the night and mod the thing. If they want to change their product so it is resistant to modding, it's their prerogative. You do not have to buy it.

Besides, Anonymous is the ultimate hypocrite. They say information should be free.
 

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Have U heard that Codemasters` server have also been hacked and user information compomised?

I wonder when will Toms report on this..
 

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[citation][nom]jsc[/nom]So two wrongs make a right?And this is different from DeCSS, how?[citation]... the point is that YOU bought a piece of hardware, THEY changed what you could use it for, and THAT motivated people to put it back in. [/citation]How is this different from Apple?I agree; you bought a piece of hardware. You should be able to do what you want with it. OTOH, if you owed an early PS3, Sony did not break into your house in the still of the night and mod the thing. If they want to change their product so it is resistant to modding, it's their prerogative. You do not have to buy it.Besides, Anonymous is the ultimate hypocrite. They say information should be free.[/citation]

if you dont upgrade firmware they lock you out of almost every aspect of the system... im not sure about playing newer games as i "upgrade" min every now and than.

i also dont believe that apple ever gave you something, than took away the biggest feature about it.

also, as far as apple goes, jailbreaking it is legal and they cant really do anything about it, besides possibly voiding warranty.

i dont know enough about DeCSS to comment on that, however from the sound, the government took away rights we previously had to pander to mpaa and riaa.
 
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