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[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]USB2.0 - as oldschool as yahoo[/citation]
I must be old school too, then.
I must be old school too, then.
[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]USB2.0 - as oldschool as yahoo[/citation]
Not really, sure it's been around for a few years but I don't see 3.0 becoming exceedingly dominant soon, probably needs about 3 more years until most systems have 3.0 but most corporate offices aren't going to stay changing their motherboards just for USB3.0 so I think 2.0 will last a while longer when you consider that Windows 2k is still being used it goes to show that at times, regardless how old some tech is, it'll still be used.
Not really, sure it's been around for a few years but I don't see 3.0 becoming exceedingly dominant soon, probably needs about 3 more years until most systems have 3.0 but most corporate offices aren't going to stay changing their motherboards just for USB3.0 so I think 2.0 will last a while longer when you consider that Windows 2k is still being used it goes to show that at times, regardless how old some tech is, it'll still be used.
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I could win my self a Ad that sits on my desk taking up more space then one of today's more compact USB hubs....Pass....
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When USB 1 came out, at 12 MBps it was good enough for mice and keyboards, but the external storage revolution was still a ways off. When USB 2 came out, it increased the speed of the spec 40 fold(!) and allowed for cheap, ubiquitous external storage. Now that 3.0 has come along, with it's paltry 8.3x speed increase, no one is in a huge hurry to support it. eSATA has jumped in the mix for external storage to take the heat of the sagging USB2 spec, so people who wanted faster options have it in a very convenient package.
What is it about USB 3.0 that is supposed to win us over again? If you ask me this will be more of a ATA33 to ATA66/100 "upgrade"... there is more speed but no one really cares. The next best thing will be along soon (hopefully a meaningful, low cost Bluetooth based revolution). Why exactly is ANYONE selling a non-bluetooth wireless mouse considering bluetooth has been a standard feature on laptops for a long time, and a desktop dongle is only a few dollars?
The next killer gizmo? Solar powered bluetooth wireless flash storage. Take it out of your pocket only when it needs some juice; get access to your data just by walking up to a PC. (security details to follow... for now lets just agree not to put anything too private on it, k?).
What is it about USB 3.0 that is supposed to win us over again? If you ask me this will be more of a ATA33 to ATA66/100 "upgrade"... there is more speed but no one really cares. The next best thing will be along soon (hopefully a meaningful, low cost Bluetooth based revolution). Why exactly is ANYONE selling a non-bluetooth wireless mouse considering bluetooth has been a standard feature on laptops for a long time, and a desktop dongle is only a few dollars?
The next killer gizmo? Solar powered bluetooth wireless flash storage. Take it out of your pocket only when it needs some juice; get access to your data just by walking up to a PC. (security details to follow... for now lets just agree not to put anything too private on it, k?).
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[citation][nom]joebob2000[/nom]When USB 1 came out, at 12 MBps it was good enough for mice and keyboards, but the external storage revolution was still a ways off. When USB 2 came out, it increased the speed of the spec 40 fold(!) and allowed for cheap, ubiquitous external storage. Now that 3.0 has come along, with it's paltry 8.3x speed increase, no one is in a huge hurry to support it. eSATA has jumped in the mix for external storage to take the heat of the sagging USB2 spec, so people who wanted faster options have it in a very convenient package.What is it about USB 3.0 that is supposed to win us over again? If you ask me this will be more of a ATA33 to ATA66/100 "upgrade"... there is more speed but no one really cares. The next best thing will be along soon (hopefully a meaningful, low cost Bluetooth based revolution). Why exactly is ANYONE selling a non-bluetooth wireless mouse considering bluetooth has been a standard feature on laptops for a long time, and a desktop dongle is only a few dollars? The next killer gizmo? Solar powered bluetooth wireless flash storage. Take it out of your pocket only when it needs some juice; get access to your data just by walking up to a PC. (security details to follow... for now lets just agree not to put anything too private on it, k?).[/citation]
I'd have to agree that USB 3.0 will not be immediate, but it is pretty nice. Being backwards compatible and able to power full size HDDs is a plus also. The promised speed bump by USB 2.0, whil nice in theory, still gives paltry numbers when transferring data. To me, USBs main selling point is the great variety of devices is supports, not it's transfer speed. I do think that enthusiasts will start to use these more once flash prices drop again (and make SSDs and larger flash drives cheaper).
About bluetooth - call me crazy, but one more wire is not going to kill me connecting a mouse/keyboard to my desktop, plus I don't like replacing batteries if I don't have to. If you're using it with the laptop, especially as a mouse, I understand.
I'd have to agree that USB 3.0 will not be immediate, but it is pretty nice. Being backwards compatible and able to power full size HDDs is a plus also. The promised speed bump by USB 2.0, whil nice in theory, still gives paltry numbers when transferring data. To me, USBs main selling point is the great variety of devices is supports, not it's transfer speed. I do think that enthusiasts will start to use these more once flash prices drop again (and make SSDs and larger flash drives cheaper).
About bluetooth - call me crazy, but one more wire is not going to kill me connecting a mouse/keyboard to my desktop, plus I don't like replacing batteries if I don't have to. If you're using it with the laptop, especially as a mouse, I understand.
I don't see why anyone wouldn't want USB3.0. You can use old USB2.0 devices on it, it's 10X as fast, and it is able to power external devices with more juice. Imagine a small external SSD on USB3.0, Backing up 20GB worth of files could only take about 1 min and 40 seconds @ 200MB/s. In fact, my dad doesn't like to backup his files at his work very often, because it takes so long to do so. Until Dell and other big companies that sell computers to the masses decide it's time, I don't think we'll be seeing USB3.0 anytime soon.
[citation][nom]joebob2000[/nom]When USB 1 came out, at 12 MBps it was good enough for mice and keyboards, but the external storage revolution was still a ways off. When USB 2 came out, it increased the speed of the spec 40 fold(!) and allowed for cheap, ubiquitous external storage. Now that 3.0 has come along, with it's paltry 8.3x speed increase, no one is in a huge hurry to support it. eSATA has jumped in the mix for external storage to take the heat of the sagging USB2 spec, so people who wanted faster options have it in a very convenient package.What is it about USB 3.0 that is supposed to win us over again? If you ask me this will be more of a ATA33 to ATA66/100 "upgrade"... there is more speed but no one really cares. The next best thing will be along soon (hopefully a meaningful, low cost Bluetooth based revolution). Why exactly is ANYONE selling a non-bluetooth wireless mouse considering bluetooth has been a standard feature on laptops for a long time, and a desktop dongle is only a few dollars? The next killer gizmo? Solar powered bluetooth wireless flash storage. Take it out of your pocket only when it needs some juice; get access to your data just by walking up to a PC. (security details to follow... for now lets just agree not to put anything too private on it, k?).[/citation]
Do you know how unsecure bluetooth is? Being in range of the signal would allow almost any decent hacker to be able to break into the bluetooth security right now(with some work). They need to fix all of the security issues and make it a little faster before it would be a good idea to use all the time and with all sorts of devices.
Do you know how unsecure bluetooth is? Being in range of the signal would allow almost any decent hacker to be able to break into the bluetooth security right now(with some work). They need to fix all of the security issues and make it a little faster before it would be a good idea to use all the time and with all sorts of devices.
[citation][nom]Haserath[/nom]I don't see why anyone wouldn't want USB3.0. You can use old USB2.0 devices on it, it's 10X as fast, and it is able to power external devices with more juice. Imagine a small external SSD on USB3.0, Backing up 20GB worth of files could only take about 1 min and 40 seconds @ 200MB/s. In fact, my dad doesn't like to backup his files at his work very often, because it takes so long to do so. Until Dell and other big companies that sell computers to the masses decide it's time, I don't think we'll be seeing USB3.0 anytime soon.[/citation]
It's not a question of wanting 3.0, it's a question of wanting to spend a good chunk of cash to get a very marginal upgrade. for most people, it's just not a value proposition.
When it's standard on all new motherboards, it will be used. Before then, it won't be. It's not like a new OS where people will upgrade just for the "gee whiz" factor.
It's not a question of wanting 3.0, it's a question of wanting to spend a good chunk of cash to get a very marginal upgrade. for most people, it's just not a value proposition.
When it's standard on all new motherboards, it will be used. Before then, it won't be. It's not like a new OS where people will upgrade just for the "gee whiz" factor.
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