TV Calibration in a pinch and it's Free!

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brightness use letterbox bars and adjust from high to low (gray to black)
When bars appear black adjust down until picture is affected and stay within
that range.
contrast use white text seen then adjust until edges of text bleeds bring
back to sharp edge
color use skintone

 

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VZNG1 wrote:
> brightness use letterbox bars and adjust from high to low (gray to
> black) When bars appear black adjust down until picture is affected
> and stay within that range.
> contrast use white text seen then adjust until edges of text bleeds
> bring back to sharp edge
> color use skintone

If you can afford a HD set, HD service, a DVD player, then you can
afford a $25 calibration disk and a $25 SPL meter from Radio Shack to
give you the best possible user-calibrated picture.

The calibration disks are much more comprehensive than the simple tests
your mentioned and I don't see the purchases as much of an impediment.


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I think the cost is less an issue. Calibrated to what I may ask ISO,
IEEE...........

If you think a bit you'll realize the errors of your thinking. Say I go out
and spend 20K for the hottest set
Then $250 for Calibration and let's go big-time and spend another $1000.00
for a Professional Calibration.

Your wife thinks the pictures is a little red, you think it's too blue and
fuzzy and you dog thinks it's fine.

So Fix
it........................................................................

Unless you can calibrate your vision your just blowing smoke! Like a Stereo
with THD .0000001


"David G." <david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
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> VZNG1 wrote:
>> brightness use letterbox bars and adjust from high to low (gray to
>> black) When bars appear black adjust down until picture is affected
>> and stay within that range.
>> contrast use white text seen then adjust until edges of text bleeds
>> bring back to sharp edge
>> color use skintone
>
> If you can afford a HD set, HD service, a DVD player, then you can
> afford a $25 calibration disk and a $25 SPL meter from Radio Shack to
> give you the best possible user-calibrated picture.
>
> The calibration disks are much more comprehensive than the simple tests
> your mentioned and I don't see the purchases as much of an impediment.
>
>
> --
> David G.
>

 

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199.45.49.11 wrote:


You have no idea what you are talking about. And I'l leave it at that.

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"David G." <david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
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> 199.45.49.11 wrote:
>
>
> You have no idea what you are talking about. And I'l leave it at that.
>
> --
> David G.

He may be more correct than you think. The last manufacturer service
training that I went to several of the techs were joking about how their
"decalibration" business was booming since the ISF fad has taken off. A
calibration is only as good as the person doing the work, and the ones in
their market were obviously not very good. Also, calibration to a color
temperatrure "standard" does not guarantee that the end user will be pleased
with the result. I service lots of sets where the consumer has set the
consumer controls "wrong" and if I try to correct them they may or may not
like the results.

Leonard

 

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I've Calibrated more pieces and more types of equipment from analog to
digital from Fluke to HP, than you could even imagine... and a EE since 79.

But I'll tell you a little story. My Father was a shop steward for RCA (when
it meant something) From the time I was 6 I helped my Father from handing
him tubes and tools till I was big enough carry his toolbox. I was fixing
TV's before I was 11. What I did learn from my Father was that he didn't
listen either and since I was the kid, I had to listen because I wasn't
allowed to interrupt the adults. So everytime we made a house call or simply
visiting a friend and even family members, the "Old Man" had to adjust the
set EVERYONE'S SET! I noticed for the 10 thousands time that pretty much
each person had their own preference for Color, Contrast and Brightness and
as each person was different so was each TV and each room.

So the bottom line is Calibration for the most part as long as your in the
middle somewhere is fine, nothing bleeding nothing clipping. F-I-N-E!

When they can calibrate your eye's, then you might want to go the whole
route!

KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid

and next time don't vote for Bush Again!





"David G." <david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
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> 199.45.49.11 wrote:
>
>
> You have no idea what you are talking about. And I'l leave it at that.
>
> --
> David G.

 

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Leonard G. Caillouet wrote:
> "David G." <david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in
> message news:TIudnXZhhN9flkfdRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
>> 199.45.49.11 wrote:
>>
>>
>> You have no idea what you are talking about. And I'l leave it at
>> that.
>>
>> --
>> David G.
>
> He may be more correct than you think. The last manufacturer service
> training that I went to several of the techs were joking about how
> their "decalibration" business was booming since the ISF fad has
> taken off. A calibration is only as good as the person doing the
> work, and the ones in their market were obviously not very good.
> Also, calibration to a color temperatrure "standard" does not
> guarantee that the end user will be pleased with the result. I
> service lots of sets where the consumer has set the consumer controls
> "wrong" and if I try to correct them they may or may not like the
> results.
>
> Leonard

I don't agree. I guess according to your philosophy, audio systems
should not be calibrated either. Neither should theaters. And THX is out
too.

My thinking is there is such a thing as a calibrated picture and a
calibrated audio system. Whether the end-user is happy with the results
is another story and does nothing to deter me and many people I know
from at least starting with a calibrated picture.

And again I reiterate: Calibration DVDs are cheap. The results can be
amazing. Radio Shack SPL meters are cheap and the audio results can be
amazing.

If you don't want to calibrate anything and think you can adjust all the
picture settings by eye for the best possible picture, all the power to
you.

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VZNG1 wrote:
[snip]
> and next time don't vote for Bush Again!

Huh? Why did you have to tack on this? Please, keep at least one of
these newsgroups politics-free, mmmkay?

 

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This makes sense, and though I am not in the TV repair business, that has
been my experience with all my friends TV's. There is no standard, only
personal preference. The other thing is that you can adjust a TV anywhere
in the middle as you say, and for the first day the viewer won't like the
settings. A day later, he will have forgotten that you changed the settings
and he will be happy with what he has.

JK

"VZNG1" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
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>
> I've Calibrated more pieces and more types of equipment from analog to
> digital from Fluke to HP, than you could even imagine... and a EE since
79.
>
> But I'll tell you a little story. My Father was a shop steward for RCA
(when
> it meant something) From the time I was 6 I helped my Father from handing
> him tubes and tools till I was big enough carry his toolbox. I was fixing
> TV's before I was 11. What I did learn from my Father was that he didn't
> listen either and since I was the kid, I had to listen because I wasn't
> allowed to interrupt the adults. So everytime we made a house call or
simply
> visiting a friend and even family members, the "Old Man" had to adjust the
> set EVERYONE'S SET! I noticed for the 10 thousands time that pretty much
> each person had their own preference for Color, Contrast and Brightness
and
> as each person was different so was each TV and each room.
>
> So the bottom line is Calibration for the most part as long as your in the
> middle somewhere is fine, nothing bleeding nothing clipping. F-I-N-E!
>
> When they can calibrate your eye's, then you might want to go the whole
> route!
>
> KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid
>
> and next time don't vote for Bush Again!
>
>
>
>
>
> "David G." <david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
> news:TIudnXZhhN9flkfdRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
> > 199.45.49.11 wrote:
> >
> >
> > You have no idea what you are talking about. And I'l leave it at that.
> >
> > --
> > David G.
>
>

 

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"David G." <david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
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> I don't agree. I guess according to your philosophy, audio systems
> should not be calibrated either. Neither should theaters. And THX is out
> too.

You guess wrong. I simply point out that calibration effectiveness is
limited by the experience and dedication of the technician and by that
technician's appreciation for the likes, dislikes, needs, and abilities of
the end user.

> My thinking is there is such a thing as a calibrated picture and a
> calibrated audio system. Whether the end-user is happy with the results
> is another story and does nothing to deter me and many people I know
> from at least starting with a calibrated picture.

I don't disagree at all. Not all calibrations are done "right", however.

> And again I reiterate: Calibration DVDs are cheap. The results can be
> amazing. Radio Shack SPL meters are cheap and the audio results can be
> amazing.

Again, I don't disagree at all.

> If you don't want to calibrate anything and think you can adjust all the
> picture settings by eye for the best possible picture, all the power to
> you.

How do you do white balance?

Leonard

 

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"VZNG1" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
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> KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid

In general, I agree, but prefer Einstein's perspective which went some thing
like "things should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

Leonard

 

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Leonard Caillouet wrote:
> "David G." <david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in
> message news:dNadnZkJOM_X2UbdRVn-gw@comcast.com...
>> I don't agree. I guess according to your philosophy, audio systems
>> should not be calibrated either. Neither should theaters. And THX is
>> out too.
>
> You guess wrong. I simply point out that calibration effectiveness is
> limited by the experience and dedication of the technician and by that
> technician's appreciation for the likes, dislikes, needs, and
> abilities of the end user.
>
>> My thinking is there is such a thing as a calibrated picture and a
>> calibrated audio system. Whether the end-user is happy with the
>> results is another story and does nothing to deter me and many
>> people I know from at least starting with a calibrated picture.
>
> I don't disagree at all. Not all calibrations are done "right",
> however.
>
>> And again I reiterate: Calibration DVDs are cheap. The results can be
>> amazing. Radio Shack SPL meters are cheap and the audio results can
>> be amazing.
>
> Again, I don't disagree at all.
>
>> If you don't want to calibrate anything and think you can adjust all
>> the picture settings by eye for the best possible picture, all the
>> power to you.
>
> How do you do white balance?
>
> Leonard

My point was regarding a user calibration, not a professional one. I
agree proper grey scale calibration can only be accomplished (most
times) by accessing the service menus and using a colorimeter.

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"VZNG1" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
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> I guess for the most part, people like David can't read or comprehend
things
> (America what a terrible educational system).

Like everything else in America, the quality of the education system depends
largely on how you choose to use it. The opportunities are there, in most
cases, to get a good education. I'll not get on that soap box on this group
any further, but having spent some time teaching in the low end of the
education system (Louisiana), I have seen the problems and they are a lot
more complex than most people want to admit.

> It's simple "TV Calibration in a pinch and it's free...Is "IN A PINCH"
> something difficult to understand?

The problem that I see with it is that most people still don't have a clue
about what it means to calibrate a set. A good tech can get a set pretty
close with just snow and a few random channels, even convergence, when in a
"pinch". Most of us carry a cheap signal generator or at least a $25 DVD
and/or videotape for calibration in a pinch.

> Then the kid criticizes that you don't know anything? But go to Radio
Shack
> and get a Audio Meter for TV Calibration?

I have a Radio Shack meter. It has come in handy a few times for matching
levels to some reference level and identifying problems in crossovers, but
the kind of calibration that one does for a SS system is better done by
listening, IMO.

> Is like going to war in Iraq to combat Terrorism, how Bush
like.............

I'd say it is more like fighting terrorism by lobbing a few cruise missles
into the mountains, a la Clinton. Please, let us not go there...

> But typical of America nowadays (to much TV growing up, they begin to
> believe vs. being entertained)

To each his own. As long as they buy electronics and it breaks for me to
fix it, I'm happy.

Leonard

 

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I think people like the word Calibration, it's become like a Technical
"Comfort" word. So when you "Calibrate" your TV, what standard are you
calibrating it too? Do you even know the tolerance of all the components and
sub-components involved, most likely not. Is your environment for humidity
and temperature within spec, all your tools and equipment calibrated and
certified. All your measurement video, audio and RF signals to spec?

If I was a manufacturer, I set the spec and I meet that standard &
specification, as a homeowner or product user I set my own standards for
both performance and reliability of the equipment I purchase.

THX is like Monster cables for the most part it's a sales catch a gimmick
"Before THX there was no audio". so what happens when UHX or VHX comes out?

and you suggest I run out and get a Radio Shack SPL........... NOW THAT's
Calibration??? and That's for Home Theater Audio ???

So numb-nutz how do I Calibrate my TV using a Radio Shack SPL meters ?

This was TV Calibration in A PINCH, what part of that sentence do you not or
are incapable of comprehending?





"David G." <david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
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> Leonard Caillouet wrote:
>> "David G." <david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in
>> message news:dNadnZkJOM_X2UbdRVn-gw@comcast.com...
>>> I don't agree. I guess according to your philosophy, audio systems
>>> should not be calibrated either. Neither should theaters. And THX is
>>> out too.
>>
>> You guess wrong. I simply point out that calibration effectiveness is
>> limited by the experience and dedication of the technician and by that
>> technician's appreciation for the likes, dislikes, needs, and
>> abilities of the end user.
>>
>>> My thinking is there is such a thing as a calibrated picture and a
>>> calibrated audio system. Whether the end-user is happy with the
>>> results is another story and does nothing to deter me and many
>>> people I know from at least starting with a calibrated picture.
>>
>> I don't disagree at all. Not all calibrations are done "right",
>> however.
>>
>>> And again I reiterate: Calibration DVDs are cheap. The results can be
>>> amazing. Radio Shack SPL meters are cheap and the audio results can
>>> be amazing.
>>
>> Again, I don't disagree at all.
>>
>>> If you don't want to calibrate anything and think you can adjust all
>>> the picture settings by eye for the best possible picture, all the
>>> power to you.
>>
>> How do you do white balance?
>>
>> Leonard
>
> My point was regarding a user calibration, not a professional one. I
> agree proper grey scale calibration can only be accomplished (most
> times) by accessing the service menus and using a colorimeter.
>
> --
> David G.
>

 

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Because I can.................................. What are you the Bush
Police? FO
"Michael J. Sherman" <msherman@dsbox.com> wrote in message
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> VZNG1 wrote:
> [snip]
>> and next time don't vote for Bush Again!
>
> Huh? Why did you have to tack on this? Please, keep at least one of
> these newsgroups politics-free, mmmkay?

 

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199.45.49.11 wrote:
> I think people like the word Calibration, it's become like a Technical
> "Comfort" word. So when you "Calibrate" your TV, what standard are you
> calibrating it too? Do you even know the tolerance of all the
> components and sub-components involved, most likely not. Is your
> environment for humidity and temperature within spec, all your tools
> and equipment calibrated and certified. All your measurement video,
> audio and RF signals to spec?
>
> If I was a manufacturer, I set the spec and I meet that standard &
> specification, as a homeowner or product user I set my own standards
> for both performance and reliability of the equipment I purchase.
>
> THX is like Monster cables for the most part it's a sales catch a
> gimmick "Before THX there was no audio". so what happens when UHX or
> VHX comes out?
>
> and you suggest I run out and get a Radio Shack SPL........... NOW
> THAT's Calibration??? and That's for Home Theater Audio ???
>
> So numb-nutz how do I Calibrate my TV using a Radio Shack SPL meters ?
>
> This was TV Calibration in A PINCH, what part of that sentence do you
> not or are incapable of comprehending?
>


Do me a favor. Since you're obviously an idiot, stop answering my posts.

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Leonard Caillouet wrote:

Plus, I'm an EE from U. of Michigan.

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Since you have a grasp of the Technical... You probably understand that
messing with something's can break them beyond repair, and to attempt
something not knowing what the full end result and consequences are, is
pretty foolish. Sometimes leaving things alone may even be better, but if
you go around sticking your tongue on the Hi-Voltage Osc. and you get
bit...... Then either don't do it! or blame it, let's say on you.

My overall objection though is paying for a 65" Plasma for $20K and getting
a 27" GE................................. and having the money garnished for
the rest of my life at 8% interest.




"Leonard Caillouet" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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>
> "VZNG1" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
> news:gfSCc.5764$L8.1551@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
>> I guess for the most part, people like David can't read or comprehend
> things
>> (America what a terrible educational system).
>
> Like everything else in America, the quality of the education system
> depends
> largely on how you choose to use it. The opportunities are there, in most
> cases, to get a good education. I'll not get on that soap box on this
> group
> any further, but having spent some time teaching in the low end of the
> education system (Louisiana), I have seen the problems and they are a lot
> more complex than most people want to admit.
>
>> It's simple "TV Calibration in a pinch and it's free...Is "IN A PINCH"
>> something difficult to understand?
>
> The problem that I see with it is that most people still don't have a clue
> about what it means to calibrate a set. A good tech can get a set pretty
> close with just snow and a few random channels, even convergence, when in
> a
> "pinch". Most of us carry a cheap signal generator or at least a $25 DVD
> and/or videotape for calibration in a pinch.
>
>> Then the kid criticizes that you don't know anything? But go to Radio
> Shack
>> and get a Audio Meter for TV Calibration?
>
> I have a Radio Shack meter. It has come in handy a few times for matching
> levels to some reference level and identifying problems in crossovers, but
> the kind of calibration that one does for a SS system is better done by
> listening, IMO.
>
>> Is like going to war in Iraq to combat Terrorism, how Bush
> like.............
>
> I'd say it is more like fighting terrorism by lobbing a few cruise missles
> into the mountains, a la Clinton. Please, let us not go there...
>
>> But typical of America nowadays (to much TV growing up, they begin to
>> believe vs. being entertained)
>
> To each his own. As long as they buy electronics and it breaks for me to
> fix it, I'm happy.
>
> Leonard
>
>
>

 

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Dave Buddie! BM & FO Kid!



>
> Do me a favor. Since you're obviously an idiot, stop answering my posts.
>
> --
> David G.
>

 

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VZNG1 wrote:
> Dave Buddie! BM & FO Kid!
>


Juevenile as ever.

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