Which do you prefer: Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD Master Audio?

[jimbowne]

Hello people. I recently purchased new speakers (Acesonic 510 speakers)and a pioneer 819 av receiver capable of decoding TrueHD and DTS HD. Since my previous setup was only able to decode dolby digital and dts, how much better are the new formats? I imagine they are pretty noticeable considering the difference in quality I heard while comparing dts to dts 96/24. What are your thoughts about the new formats?

-I also have to admit a personal bias favoring DTS.

 

[RealityIsNotOptional]

Been doing this since the start. DTS and DTS-HD are by far preferable to the always nasty AC3 we had for many years. Another nice thing is that if you have a DTS receiver DTS-HD will support it at the Regular DTS bit rate. Lets hope that the new DTS X that their working on will also support legacy. Backward compatibility is very important. DTS was the first sound good enough to make me toss some $$$ on speakers. JBL setup 5.1 Full size speakers although my system will support 7.1. That's simply crazy unless you have a huge house.
5.1 rocks in DTS and is clear and crisp. compared to Dolby ac3 it's simply incredible even with 55 year old years battered by concerts.

 

[RealityIsNotOptional]

Hello JordonB - Can you do us a favor and give more specifics of your JBL setup? Model # etc..
Thank You..

 

[ElBuho]

I think the studios should make it mandatory to use DOLBY TRUE-HD and dtshdma on all back catalogue titles as well as new titles.

Most if not all 95% of films have been produced using DOLBY.

I see no reason why I should pay out money for a film that I like, to have dtshdma on it!

For example DIE HARD was mixed in two forms 35mm DOLBY STEREO A type and for exclusive road show release 70mm 6trcak DOLBY STEREO A type in discrete sound!

Why should I pay Fox bluray for a film produced in lousy dtshdma a film that doesn’t represent the original theatrical flavour!

The disc is produced from two-disc DVD set! Also the sound was tampered with on that version! The original theatrical 6trcack DOLBY STEREO mix can only be found on the first edition DVD or the later version THX laserdisc or didn’t you know that FACT!

Bluray is 98% A CON format to make money! The studios haven’t been honest with us and I don’t see why we or some of us should feed the hand that has been dishonest with us.

I have since cessed buying bluray because of dtshdma no I don’t like the sound format. The way I see it, there is still a “format war”!

“The sound format war”!

The only way to resolve this is to give the paying consumer equal rights of choice to select what sound format we want the film played back in! Arrr! it goes further than that!

I don’t think films that where produced in DOLBY should get dts its WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Films that where produced and released in dts at the time of 1993 and for a remain few years where only dts release mostly Universal Pictures. At first there was no DOLBY SR-D that was beside the 35mm it was just dts and a back-up analogue soundtrack for cinemas that didn’t have dts decoders.

I think it was around 1996 or 97 when 35mm prints had all three digital sound formats on the signal print with the DOLBY SR soundtrack on the analogue side in case of DOLBY digital, breakdown.

I mean bluray SONY doesn’t even support SDDS8Channel! So much for this big headed format that has been bragging its “cinematic” LMAO ROTFLMAO!

The propaganda that SONY was putting on the extras of some bluray titles where they video actors pretending to be a family to brainwash the masses that have 0 clue!

Wow if it was perfect picture then we shouldn’t be see EE DNR and colour manipulation SHOULD WE!!!!

WHAT A CON FORMAT!

Personally I have turned my back on region2 DVD and turned to region1DVD!

STUFF BLURAY! I hope the format dies soon it doesn’t have place in this market not when they have been dishoniest with us from the start!

Remember! First impressions, is what makes it count! Bluray has failed on all those promises from start!!!!!

that is why i use only dvd player and see only dvd movies because i have only 2 speakers and dolby 2.0 mono or stereo is the best for my 2 speakers and dvd dont use 24 bit audio that is why i love it even more we can not hear more than 20khz anyway

 

[bmcelvan]

Been doing this since the start. DTS and DTS-HD are by far preferable to the always nasty AC3 we had for many years. Another nice thing is that if you have a DTS receiver DTS-HD will support it at the Regular DTS bit rate. Lets hope that the new DTS X that their working on will also support legacy. Backward compatibility is very important. DTS was the first sound good enough to make me toss some $$$ on speakers. JBL setup 5.1 Full size speakers although my system will support 7.1. That's simply crazy unless you have a huge house.
5.1 rocks in DTS and is clear and crisp. compared to Dolby ac3 it's simply incredible even with 55 year old years battered by concerts.

I think you think it sounds better specifically because of your "55 year old years battered by concert" ears. DTS is usually louder (louder does not mean better nor more fidelity), it just means louder. However, it is, literally, human nature for louder things to appear better to the human brain. You can hear it more easily and you think it is better. There are numerous papers on this and lots of studies that directly lead to the the 1970s and 1980s advertisement VOLUME HIKE in ads between shows. Louder means you're more likely to listen to it, hear it, like it.

With that said, in double blind testing, 5.1 AC3 at 640kbps (not the standard DVD 448 but the full 640) has had the same results as somewhere in the ~200kbps mp3s as compared to compressed lossless and uncompressed lcpm audio. THE HUMAN EAR CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE when properly adjusted for volume and encoded from the same source.

That doesn't mean there aren't a few rare people who really can tell the difference, there might be, but we're talking a really small percentage of people. The human ear range is pretty tight, there are certainly people who can hear better than others but it's not orders of magnitude, there are no "magical" ears, the ears can only hear so much.

Also, that doesn't mean you can get around your brain either. For example in your case you now think that AC3 sucks and DTS is better or the best. I doubt there is anything that is going to let you (your brain) have an objective opinion about this anymore except for possibly doing a proper double blind audio test.

However, even if proven wrong, many pyschological studies have shown that you will then be MORE LIKELY to believe the bias because you were proven wrong.

And in the end no matter what if given the choice you're gonna pick DTS over AC3, it's just how the brain works. Unless you can really stay unbiased and objective, which is very hard for humans to truly do, but can be done with training.

 

[bmcelvan]

I think the studios should make it mandatory to use DOLBY TRUE-HD and dtshdma on all back catalogue titles as well as new titles.

Most if not all 95% of films have been produced using DOLBY.

I see no reason why I should pay out money for a film that I like, to have dtshdma on it!

For example DIE HARD was mixed in two forms 35mm DOLBY STEREO A type and for exclusive road show release 70mm 6trcak DOLBY STEREO A type in discrete sound!

Why should I pay Fox bluray for a film produced in lousy dtshdma a film that doesn’t represent the original theatrical flavour!

The disc is produced from two-disc DVD set! Also the sound was tampered with on that version! The original theatrical 6trcack DOLBY STEREO mix can only be found on the first edition DVD or the later version THX laserdisc or didn’t you know that FACT!

Bluray is 98% A CON format to make money! The studios haven’t been honest with us and I don’t see why we or some of us should feed the hand that has been dishonest with us.

I have since cessed buying bluray because of dtshdma no I don’t like the sound format. The way I see it, there is still a “format war”!

“The sound format war”!

The only way to resolve this is to give the paying consumer equal rights of choice to select what sound format we want the film played back in! Arrr! it goes further than that!

I don’t think films that where produced in DOLBY should get dts its WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Films that where produced and released in dts at the time of 1993 and for a remain few years where only dts release mostly Universal Pictures. At first there was no DOLBY SR-D that was beside the 35mm it was just dts and a back-up analogue soundtrack for cinemas that didn’t have dts decoders.

I think it was around 1996 or 97 when 35mm prints had all three digital sound formats on the signal print with the DOLBY SR soundtrack on the analogue side in case of DOLBY digital, breakdown.

I mean bluray SONY doesn’t even support SDDS8Channel! So much for this big headed format that has been bragging its “cinematic” LMAO ROTFLMAO!

The propaganda that SONY was putting on the extras of some bluray titles where they video actors pretending to be a family to brainwash the masses that have 0 clue!

Wow if it was perfect picture then we shouldn’t be see EE DNR and colour manipulation SHOULD WE!!!!

WHAT A CON FORMAT!

Personally I have turned my back on region2 DVD and turned to region1DVD!

STUFF BLURAY! I hope the format dies soon it doesn’t have place in this market not when they have been dishoniest with us from the start!

Remember! First impressions, is what makes it count! Bluray has failed on all those promises from start!!!!!

that is why i use only dvd player and see only dvd movies because i have only 2 speakers and dolby 2.0 mono or stereo is the best for my 2 speakers and dvd dont use 24 bit audio that is why i love it even more we can not hear more than 20khz anyway

I really don't understand your argument very much. You do realize that:

NO SOUND IS EVER RECORDED IN DOLBY or DTS, right?

Those are codecs used when the movie is released for distribution!! And even then if using lossless codecs, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN AUDIO SIGNAL. Unless they are encoded from different mixes or masters of course. There can be modifiers in the code that tell playback devices how to play it back and even these you can usually turn off if you like.

SOUND IS RECORDED PCM OR LPCM

or any other RAW audio format that literally just records sound.

Let me say this, professional audio is recorded this way. Sure cell phone and many other devices can record sound in mp3 or whatever format, but even then I think it is originally recorded in raw and then converted and the raw deleted.

And then the whole DVD versus BD thing...are you freaking serious? DVDs look okay when played on DVD players and on an old 480p TV. However on newer HD TVs, they look like crap. Bluray BLOWS DVD OUT OF THE WATER!!!

I don't think you know the difference between new technology/new science, and brand names.

DVDs are a technology that store information on a physical disc. Blurays or BDs are the exact same thing. They just store the information differently. As a result, you can store nearly 6 times as much information on a BD as a DVD. Because of this difference, BDs contain much better looking (and arguably) better sounding media. That's not really a debate.

Your whole die hard argument makes no sense to me either. Look I think it silly to pay more for the TrueHD and DTSHDMA tracks, drives me crazy. It costs the same (or more) to convert them to lossy formats than lossless formats, it is marketing sure. BUT, in the case of DIE HARD, they actually had to pay someone to RE MIX THE AUDIO tracks into the new 5.1 or 7.1 or whatever. It's not like they are converting the old sound, they are REMIXING IT!! It doesn't always sound better and you can have someone unqualified to do it of course, but barring something crazy and unexpected, a remixed HD audio version of a movie sound track should sound much better than a dolby stereo version from 30 years ago.

It goes back to how audio is recorded...it's raw audio data. If it is remixed from the originals (which of course it would be), then you can't have any better starting material...unless of course those originals have degraded.

 

[stjernholm]

I wonder why no one is ever mentioning the huge advantage of Dolby TrueHD vs DTS HD:

METADATA! Dolby TrueHD has the ability to add dynamic compression in a controlled fashion upon decoding if desired by the listener. This means that soundtracks can be mixed to the highest denominator with full dynamic range, and compression can be applied in a way determined by the mixing engineer e.g for late night listening BY YOUR PLAYBACK DEVICE! These fantastic and costumer-focussed features are not available with DTS, that is engineered way more crude in comparison with Dolby. From a pure sound quality perspective, they both sound great, but the flexibility of Dolby systems yields for a much better tailormade experience for the user.


Because DTS does not have these features, mixes often tends to be lowest denominator = less dynamic range, flat and boring to reach some middle ground. This is not because of the codec, but is due to the lack of features. A Dolby TrueHD soundtrack is also more a guarantee that the studio releasing knows what they are doing, as Dolby TrueHD requires some thinking to deliver correctly.

The real reason for the change towards DTS HD is probably much more likely, that the tools used to encode in the formats are much cheaper for the studios when using DTS than the tools for Dolby TrueHD (as of 2010). I find it saddening, that the best possible experience is obviously not what is driving the studios, even though Blu-Ray is becoming a pure entusiast medium for costumers that insist on the best possible presentation of the source material. It is time that the studios realise that, and step up their efforts to deliver the best possible experiences on BD and UHDBD now that online delivery / crap quality has become the standard.

Dolby TrueHD ticks all the boxes for this purpose, as it can deliver highest denominator and scale down in a controlled way to suit lesser playback environments in a way that DTS cant.

For anyone that actually has the ability to listen to the difference on a good home theater system between a Dolby Digital online streaming version of a movie vs a Dolby TrueHD delivery from a blu-ray of the same material, you will be left enlightened and chocked that so many people are missing so much from their movie experience.

 

[ElBuho]

I wonder why no one is ever mentioning the huge advantage of Dolby TrueHD vs DTS HD:

METADATA! Dolby TrueHD has the ability to add dynamic compression in a controlled fashion upon decoding if desired by the listener. This means that soundtracks can be mixed to the highest denominator with full dynamic range, and compression can be applied in a way determined by the mixing engineer e.g for late night listening BY YOUR PLAYBACK DEVICE! These fantastic and costumer-focussed features are not available with DTS, that is engineered way more crude in comparison with Dolby. From a pure sound quality perspective, they both sound great, but the flexibility of Dolby systems yields for a much better tailormade experience for the user.


Because DTS does not have these features, mixes often tends to be lowest denominator = less dynamic range, flat and boring to reach some middle ground. This is not because of the codec, but is due to the lack of features. A Dolby TrueHD soundtrack is also more a guarantee that the studio releasing knows what they are doing, as Dolby TrueHD requires some thinking to deliver correctly.

The real reason for the change towards DTS HD is probably much more likely, that the tools used to encode in the formats are much cheaper for the studios when using DTS than the tools for Dolby TrueHD (as of 2010). I find it saddening, that the best possible experience is obviously not what is driving the studios, even though Blu-Ray is becoming a pure entusiast medium for costumers that insist on the best possible presentation of the source material. It is time that the studios realise that, and step up their efforts to deliver the best possible experiences on BD and UHDBD now that online delivery / crap quality has become the standard.

Dolby TrueHD ticks all the boxes for this purpose, as it can deliver highest denominator and scale down in a controlled way to suit lesser playback environments in a way that DTS cant.

For anyone that actually has the ability to listen to the difference on a good home theater system between a Dolby Digital online streaming version of a movie vs a Dolby TrueHD delivery from a blu-ray of the same material, you will be left enlightened and chocked that so many people are missing so much from their movie experience.

 

[ElBuho]

great to know, i felt many times dolby is better sound more cozy to my ears.

 

[ElBuho]

I think the studios should make it mandatory to use DOLBY TRUE-HD and dtshdma on all back catalogue titles as well as new titles.

Most if not all 95% of films have been produced using DOLBY.

I see no reason why I should pay out money for a film that I like, to have dtshdma on it!

For example DIE HARD was mixed in two forms 35mm DOLBY STEREO A type and for exclusive road show release 70mm 6trcak DOLBY STEREO A type in discrete sound!

Why should I pay Fox bluray for a film produced in lousy dtshdma a film that doesn’t represent the original theatrical flavour!

The disc is produced from two-disc DVD set! Also the sound was tampered with on that version! The original theatrical 6trcack DOLBY STEREO mix can only be found on the first edition DVD or the later version THX laserdisc or didn’t you know that FACT!

Bluray is 98% A CON format to make money! The studios haven’t been honest with us and I don’t see why we or some of us should feed the hand that has been dishonest with us.

I have since cessed buying bluray because of dtshdma no I don’t like the sound format. The way I see it, there is still a “format war”!

“The sound format war”!

The only way to resolve this is to give the paying consumer equal rights of choice to select what sound format we want the film played back in! Arrr! it goes further than that!

I don’t think films that where produced in DOLBY should get dts its WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Films that where produced and released in dts at the time of 1993 and for a remain few years where only dts release mostly Universal Pictures. At first there was no DOLBY SR-D that was beside the 35mm it was just dts and a back-up analogue soundtrack for cinemas that didn’t have dts decoders.

I think it was around 1996 or 97 when 35mm prints had all three digital sound formats on the signal print with the DOLBY SR soundtrack on the analogue side in case of DOLBY digital, breakdown.

I mean bluray SONY doesn’t even support SDDS8Channel! So much for this big headed format that has been bragging its “cinematic” LMAO ROTFLMAO!

The propaganda that SONY was putting on the extras of some bluray titles where they video actors pretending to be a family to brainwash the masses that have 0 clue!

Wow if it was perfect picture then we shouldn’t be see EE DNR and colour manipulation SHOULD WE!!!!

WHAT A CON FORMAT!

Personally I have turned my back on region2 DVD and turned to region1DVD!

STUFF BLURAY! I hope the format dies soon it doesn’t have place in this market not when they have been dishoniest with us from the start!

Remember! First impressions, is what makes it count! Bluray has failed on all those promises from start!!!!!

that is why i use only dvd player and see only dvd movies because i have only 2 speakers and dolby 2.0 mono or stereo is the best for my 2 speakers and dvd dont use 24 bit audio that is why i love it even more we can not hear more than 20khz anyway

I really don't understand your argument very much. You do realize that:

NO SOUND IS EVER RECORDED IN DOLBY or DTS, right?

Those are codecs used when the movie is released for distribution!! And even then if using lossless codecs, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN AUDIO SIGNAL. Unless they are encoded from different mixes or masters of course. There can be modifiers in the code that tell playback devices how to play it back and even these you can usually turn off if you like.

SOUND IS RECORDED PCM OR LPCM

or any other RAW audio format that literally just records sound.

Let me say this, professional audio is recorded this way. Sure cell phone and many other devices can record sound in mp3 or whatever format, but even then I think it is originally recorded in raw and then converted and the raw deleted.

And then the whole DVD versus BD thing...are you freaking serious? DVDs look okay when played on DVD players and on an old 480p TV. However on newer HD TVs, they look like crap. Bluray BLOWS DVD OUT OF THE WATER!!!

I don't think you know the difference between new technology/new science, and brand names.

DVDs are a technology that store information on a physical disc. Blurays or BDs are the exact same thing. They just store the information differently. As a result, you can store nearly 6 times as much information on a BD as a DVD. Because of this difference, BDs contain much better looking (and arguably) better sounding media. That's not really a debate.

Your whole die hard argument makes no sense to me either. Look I think it silly to pay more for the TrueHD and DTSHDMA tracks, drives me crazy. It costs the same (or more) to convert them to lossy formats than lossless formats, it is marketing sure. BUT, in the case of DIE HARD, they actually had to pay someone to RE MIX THE AUDIO tracks into the new 5.1 or 7.1 or whatever. It's not like they are converting the old sound, they are REMIXING IT!! It doesn't always sound better and you can have someone unqualified to do it of course, but barring something crazy and unexpected, a remixed HD audio version of a movie sound track should sound much better than a dolby stereo version from 30 years ago.

It goes back to how audio is recorded...it's raw audio data. If it is remixed from the originals (which of course it would be), then you can't have any better starting material...unless of course those originals have degraded.

 

[ElBuho]

that bluray is better than dvd in sound is not really true, i have a dvd of the first dracula that blows away the bluray audio of the same dracula movie! and the picture looks better in many parts in the dvd but sometimes the picture is better in the bluray.

 

[ElBuho]

ps. i dont know if bluray use sometimes 24 bit 96 or 192 in movies, but i feel everything over 44khz is garbage! so for me no more than 48khz please 44khz is enought already.