$350 Billion May Be Needed to Extend Broadband

[bmxmon]

The internet is a communication device used in the US, basically open to anybody, so I'm sure that qualifies it for government control.

I'm a Mass Communications student, journalism and all that BS. Anyway, Americans have a right to free communications, it is designed to keep the citizens informed. That is why you can pick up local TV news and radio for free. The government knows it is not free, that's why there is advertising.

 

[w4ffles]

South Korea is going to spend $24.6 billion to put 1Gbps internet and 10Mbps wireless. We're doing something wrong if it's going to take $350 billion just to "extend broadband".

 

[anamaniac]

We should be on 100% fiber optic service, globally.

Sure, high cost of initialization, but maintenence costs are almost unexistant, along with being insanely higher output.
Why are we still dicking around with coxial?

 

[croc]

[citation][nom]doomtomb[/nom]I don't care if those rural farm boys get internet or not...[/citation]

And maybe those 'rural farm boys' don't really care about getting your food to market? Do you think that your milk comes from bottles? Your vegies just appear by magic from the vegie fairy, already neatly packed?

 

[enewmen]

[citation][nom]njkid3[/nom]its ancient Chinese secret.[/citation]
Not just Chinese secret, but Chinese cash.

 

[Square_Head]

[citation][nom]w4ffles[/nom]South Korea is going to spend $24.6 billion to put 1Gbps internet and 10Mbps wireless. We're doing something wrong if it's going to take $350 billion just to "extend broadband".[/citation]

Ok, lets think about this for a moment. Look at the size of South Korea, now look at the size of the United States... hmmm South Korea land area 100,000 sq kilometers.... United States.... 9,800,000,000 sq kilometers... hmmm do the math R-tard

Its one thing to make provide high bandwidth in small areas.

 

[croc]

[citation][nom]Square_Head[/nom]Ok, lets think about this for a moment. Look at the size of South Korea, now look at the size of the United States... hmmm South Korea land area 100,000 sq kilometers.... United States.... 9,800,000,000 sq kilometers... hmmm do the math R-tardIts one thing to make provide high bandwidth in small areas.[/citation]

...Maybe YOU should do some thinking. Running Fibre long distance over land is pretty cheap (compared to submerged), it is all of the inter-connects that cost. And all of the carrier agreements, etc. S. Korea has it all over the US (as does Japan, Thailand, India, and even to a lesser extent the EU) because they have a shared backbone. The US has a history of issuing monopolies to various areas, and those monopolies do not want to play nice with each other.

 

[Square_Head]

[citation][nom]croc[/nom]...Maybe YOU should do some thinking. Running Fibre long distance over land is pretty cheap (compared to submerged), it is all of the inter-connects that cost. And all of the carrier agreements, etc. S. Korea has it all over the US (as does Japan, Thailand, India, and even to a lesser extent the EU) because they have a shared backbone. The US has a history of issuing monopolies to various areas, and those monopolies do not want to play nice with each other.[/citation]


That doesn't address the cost that the FCC estimated. $350 billion is a pile of money, but that is more or less accurate if we use the previous R-tard's number of 24.6 billion for all of South Korea. Alot of the issues that people face in regards to "slow" internet speeds of less than 1Gbit is a function of the switching gear and massive servers.

I am not defending the companies that rape customers for "slow" speeds at high $ cost, I'm just pointing out that it would require a MASSIVE amount of dollars and time to lay cable across the 9.8 million sq km of land in the USA. Most everyone uses copper cables to connect to the local area servers. While you can send large amount of data with those means, even largers volumes of data require fiber optic cabling.

Bottom line: It costs money. And while it would be fantastic to have every home in America connected with fiber optic, its just not economically feasible unless you wanted to pay a thousand dollars a month for your data lines. Companies need to make money, and they cannot make money if they have to rewire the country for free. Its all a function of money.


As as a side note, there is only so much bandwidth in the wave spectrum that can be assigned to data transmission and reception. Think about the big stink and piles of money associated with the auction for the 700mHz spectrum. Wireless communication is another GIANT nightmare. It all requires oversight. We will get there eventually. How long ago did the masses ditch 56k modems? 10 years ago tops!? Think about the progress since then. In 10 more years we'll have even better speeds overall.

 

[croc]

Your problem, mate... Australia has 99% of its population already covered by some form of connectivity, be it cable, fibre, or satellite, and we are getting ready to roll out broadband nation-wide at a cost far less than what is being quoted by your FCC. Japan is by far the best connected nation at this point, the EU doesn't do too bad either. Even New Zealand can laugh at the crap that you Yanks have to put up with. (Did I mention that Aus has 80% of the land mass as the US, and only 10% of the people?)

 

[Square_Head]

Exactly, 10% of the people means 10% of the total demand for cabling and infrastructure. The United States is making due with what it has. Never mind the fact that we INVENTED the Internet to run on phone lines. We had a system in place originally and we're trying to maximize it. It just means that we will have to completely rewire our entire country.

 

[croc]

[citation][nom]Square_Head[/nom]Exactly, 10% of the people means 10% of the total demand for cabling and infrastructure. The United States is making due with what it has. Never mind the fact that we INVENTED the Internet to run on phone lines. We had a system in place originally and we're trying to maximize it. It just means that we will have to completely rewire our entire country.[/citation]

God... Another egotistical yank-wanker. The US invented WHAT? And had what WHEN? Next you'll be claiming that the US invented DNA, electricity, the wheel...

 

[Manos]

FFS.. In greece we got ADSL cheaper than 80$ for just the 1MBps only 4 years ago or something. Pathetic but true. Now though I pay here in greece only 30$ both landline, unlimited calls 24/7 even from here to the US and another 14 countries and 15MBps ADSL but still.. Till last year it was sad lol.

My point is I dont remember when I was in CA and I know for sure that still the US isnt any delaied in internet progress so I wouldnt worry. And if Obama or whoever the f**k is using most of your taxxes for healthcare atm or somethign ( cant be bombs this time right? i dont think any war is going on thankfully ) be glad about it. Here in greece I dont even know where my taxxes go anymore. lol I know for sure police , health and any kind of care aint being taken care of XD

 

[enforcer22]

[citation][nom]Matt87_50[/nom]what are you talking about? the closest thing to free tv is paid for by ads.as for free internet, internet is nothing like tv, the internet is the utility, its the infrastructure. the difference between other utilities is that you are not obviously consuming a resource that comes down the line (like water or gas) but it does take power to run the infrastructure that also needs to be maintained.I doubt it will ever be free, but I hope it gets away from the rip-off telco models with all their "deals" and "packages" to be more like other utilities, where you pay a flat connection fee, then by the gigabyte/time used.[/citation]

so make the internet garbage, ok. basicly making most of the stuff people do on te internet impossible to anyone unless they can spend hundreds on thier internet a month. great idea retard.. i guess ill go watch some of that tv i dont pay for that isnt free now since my internet is now usless.

 

[enforcer22]

[citation][nom]croc[/nom]God... Another egotistical yank-wanker. The US invented WHAT? And had what WHEN? Next you'll be claiming that the US invented DNA, electricity, the wheel...[/citation]


something up your ass? since when is it egotistical to say we had a specific infestructer for a means of data transmission we setup for military use? hey we might not have invented what the universe made long ago (electricity) but didnt we put it into mass use? and f**k te wheel. its all about flying.

He said nothing egotistical. Your just another one of those america bashing retards that just has to try and find ar eason to bash.. blow it out your rear.

 

[r0x0r]

Don't mind croc; he doesn't speak for all the Australians here.

Population desities of:

Australia: 2.83ppl/km2, 7.3ppl/sq mi

United States: 31ppl/km2, 80ppl/sq mi

South Korea: 493ppl/km2, 1,274ppl/sq mi

Japan: 337.6ppl/km2, 874.4ppl/sq mi

Laying fiber optic makes better fiscal sense when the population density is much higher. Hence why Japan and Korea are further ahead.

 

[r0x0r]

^^GRR NEED EDIT BUTTON TOM'S! (typo: desities should be densities).

 

[hillarymakesmecry]

Um, why does the government need to get involved? If there's a demand for faster internet then there's a price consumers will pay for it. Private companies can handle it.

Stop wasting my tax dollars!

 

[r0x0r]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Actually, you didn't invent the internet and you dont own it either[/citation]

The US actually did invent the internet. Look up ARPANET.

 

[Guest]

Everyone's talking about laying down fibre optical cabling, but that's not the expensive part - there are layers and layers of routing and switching infrastructure which gets more and more complex until you reach a cluster of multi-million-pound core routers which link the whole thing up.

How do you think the Internet works? It's not just a bunch of cable connected together, the cable connects into lots of boxes which then connect into each other and are veeery expensive to buy and implement and maintain (the design+implementation costs a lot more than the actual kit).

And it's alright if it costs lots of tax payer's money, as all the kit is made by American companies (Cisco and Juniper) so American people will benefit because of it anyway I just hope they make the Internet faster in the UK at some point.. at peak times, 12kbps sucks ass.

 

[apmyhr]

350 Billion? Please, that type of number just isn't significant to Congress or the average entitlement minded American. I think the public only notices numbers that reach into the trillions, as that seems to be the new way to measure cost of bills. It reminds me of hard drives where sizes are now measured in Terabytes rather than Gigabytes. The only difference is that hard drive space has increased exponentially, while US Government income has NOT. But why would we let silly old math stand in the way of implementing anything which can be deemed as somewhat beneficial.