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"If I were to compare Jobs with Apple and Gates with Microsoft I'd spot that Jobs is far more creative and much more legit with competitors. Let's not forget that Microsoft hardware is also overpriced and made in China." -K2N hater
If you bought comparable hardware off the shelf and built a same spec apple machine you would save a ton of money. Apple products are ridiculously overpriced for their components. People buy Apple because they don't want to fiddle with computers, they want an easy interface. They want less control. And that's where Apple gets away with laptops that are a grand at the cheapest when everyone knows other laptops have been declining in price due to economony of scale. You figure it out. Wait, you can't, you bought an Apple.
If you bought comparable hardware off the shelf and built a same spec apple machine you would save a ton of money. Apple products are ridiculously overpriced for their components. People buy Apple because they don't want to fiddle with computers, they want an easy interface. They want less control. And that's where Apple gets away with laptops that are a grand at the cheapest when everyone knows other laptops have been declining in price due to economony of scale. You figure it out. Wait, you can't, you bought an Apple.
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I personally don't place much stock in Apple and it's control over the iPhone. What bothers me more is AT&T and their greedy policy on how you use your unlimited data. I am a gamer at heart and I even like some of the iPhones game offerings (FF3, Nova), but it cannot replace what my PC, laptop and Steam is for. And simply put, it is time to move on to greener pastures, Spint or Verizon and an Android device. I want to tether, and not get raped for it. I also want some gaming for when standing in line somewhere, having to wait in general or while taking a crap. And with all the crap AT&T and Apple is pulling, it is time for something new. I hope to see the whole Apple and AT&T thing break down over time.
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This article is incredibly retarded. No one is forced to buy an iPhone as far as I know. It is like complaining Frosted Flakes is out to get you because they are forcing you to eat sugar.
I had an iPhone 3 years ago - stopped using it because it would freeze in the middle of the call so often it became very annoying. Several friends of mine had the same problem but since they used the phone more to play games than to place business calls they didn't care. It was also annoying to get an almost weekly "change of terms" message from apple - haven't had problems with calls or with endless "change of terms" messages since I switched to the android platform.
And just like the article says, most if not all apple users do want to be controlled and manipulated by apple because they feel the company knows better than they do - which in itself shows why they want to be controlled - ignorance and laziness is at the root of many problems society is facing today. Like one apple user group president said recently "apple makes the products we can't leave without even before we knew we needed them - and they take care of us by making all the choices for us - we just need to worry about having a good time playing a game and we don't have to think, choose or decide, it's all done for us by Steve, he does the thinking for us". Go figure.
And just like the article says, most if not all apple users do want to be controlled and manipulated by apple because they feel the company knows better than they do - which in itself shows why they want to be controlled - ignorance and laziness is at the root of many problems society is facing today. Like one apple user group president said recently "apple makes the products we can't leave without even before we knew we needed them - and they take care of us by making all the choices for us - we just need to worry about having a good time playing a game and we don't have to think, choose or decide, it's all done for us by Steve, he does the thinking for us". Go figure.
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[citation][nom]getreal[/nom]What a stupid, deliberate troll bait of an article.Author is a drama queen; it's a goddamn phone. If you don't like it or Apple's practices, get Android, or Windows Phone, or better yet, no phone at all. But please, making RIDICULOUS claims that frickin CELL PHONE threatens democracy.GET REAL.[/citation]
The iPhone is not threatening democracy. The fact that iPhone users choose to allow Apple to exert such a control over their lives is a bad sign for the future of American democracy. Basically, if people are willing to let Apple decide which apps they can and can't use, including news, opinion, and politically-based apps, what are they willing to let others choose for them in other aspects of their life?
Each and every Apple user is basically making this statement: "I don't see the harm in letting Apple decide what I can and can't run, or that they know exactly where I am at most times".
Let's try re-wording this just a bit: "I don't see the harm in letting the government decide what I can and can't do, or that they know exactly where I am at most times".
This has completely different implications, but would some of these Apple users (and other individuals) even be able to see the difference?
Would you be so happy if a police officer followed you around 24/7. Following you on the highway as you make your way to work. Walking behind you down the hallway to your office, sitting in a chair in your office. Following you to the bathroom. Following you home, sitting in your dining room as you ate dinner, your living room as you watch TV, your bedroom as you sleep, monitoring your every move? Sounds kind of creepy, but also think about this, there's no way anyone is going to rob you, mug you, assault you if you have a cop trailing you 24/7. If you get into an accident on the freeway, that cop will be there immediately to offer first-aid, and will be able to radio directly to dispatch to get emergency crews to the scene. You'd never be safer, and all you have to do is allow some police officer un-limited access to your life, is it worth it? If not, at what point do you draw the line? Would you want the police officer to stay out of your bathroom while you shower? Are you aware of the amount of slip-and-fall accidents that happen every year in the bathroom? Maybe he shouldn't follow you to work, just hope a co-worker doesn't go postal.
Now, take this back to the Apple approach. Is the reduced risk of downloading a virus worth the fact that you can't download Firefox or AmazonMP3 or some other competing app to your phone? Is the risk of losing your phone on the bus enough of a concern that Apple can track your daily movements, and sell that information to advertising partners who end up doing who knows what with that information? How much freedom are you willing to give up for some meaningless hand-holding assurance? Look at California and New York. Trans fat "might" be dangerous to your health, but rather than just require that products be clearly labeled if they contain trans fat, they actually BANNED trans fat from foods. Did you really need the government to shut-down Krispy Kreme, or could you have maybe weighed the cost and benefits of eating a glazed donut yourself? "Gee, one donut a week is probably not going to kill me!" FOOL! Thank god the government knows more than you do, even driving past the Krispy Kreme probably gave you a mild heart attack!
There is a building trend in this country to lay down and die like a dog rather than stand up for yourself once in a while. It's like the old coach/drill instructor mantra: "When I say jump, you say 'how high?'". This isn't boot camp, if Apple or the government says jump, you say "Why the hell should I?". That's your right as a free citizen.
Sure, you as an individual don't have to own an iPhone, but tens of millions of people do. How many of those people also vote, and elect politicians that will decide how WE should live our lives? Do you want someone who is willing to bend over and let Apple have their way with them making important decisions that affect YOUR life? It's easy to say that person is wasting their own money and not harming you in any way, but that same person probably voted to ban trans fat, and happy meal toys, and black cars and incandescent light bulbs. How long before they vote to ban the internet (too much scary stuff out there), ban smoking, drinking, pornography, gambling, any other vices you might enjoy. Maybe they'll ban religions that aren't theirs, maybe one of those is yours. If they have the mentality that there is always a big brother looking out for them, how much of their and your freedoms are they willing to sacrifice to feel safe and warm and snuggly in their trans-fat free Apple-dictated little world?
The iPhone is not threatening democracy. The fact that iPhone users choose to allow Apple to exert such a control over their lives is a bad sign for the future of American democracy. Basically, if people are willing to let Apple decide which apps they can and can't use, including news, opinion, and politically-based apps, what are they willing to let others choose for them in other aspects of their life?
Each and every Apple user is basically making this statement: "I don't see the harm in letting Apple decide what I can and can't run, or that they know exactly where I am at most times".
Let's try re-wording this just a bit: "I don't see the harm in letting the government decide what I can and can't do, or that they know exactly where I am at most times".
This has completely different implications, but would some of these Apple users (and other individuals) even be able to see the difference?
Would you be so happy if a police officer followed you around 24/7. Following you on the highway as you make your way to work. Walking behind you down the hallway to your office, sitting in a chair in your office. Following you to the bathroom. Following you home, sitting in your dining room as you ate dinner, your living room as you watch TV, your bedroom as you sleep, monitoring your every move? Sounds kind of creepy, but also think about this, there's no way anyone is going to rob you, mug you, assault you if you have a cop trailing you 24/7. If you get into an accident on the freeway, that cop will be there immediately to offer first-aid, and will be able to radio directly to dispatch to get emergency crews to the scene. You'd never be safer, and all you have to do is allow some police officer un-limited access to your life, is it worth it? If not, at what point do you draw the line? Would you want the police officer to stay out of your bathroom while you shower? Are you aware of the amount of slip-and-fall accidents that happen every year in the bathroom? Maybe he shouldn't follow you to work, just hope a co-worker doesn't go postal.
Now, take this back to the Apple approach. Is the reduced risk of downloading a virus worth the fact that you can't download Firefox or AmazonMP3 or some other competing app to your phone? Is the risk of losing your phone on the bus enough of a concern that Apple can track your daily movements, and sell that information to advertising partners who end up doing who knows what with that information? How much freedom are you willing to give up for some meaningless hand-holding assurance? Look at California and New York. Trans fat "might" be dangerous to your health, but rather than just require that products be clearly labeled if they contain trans fat, they actually BANNED trans fat from foods. Did you really need the government to shut-down Krispy Kreme, or could you have maybe weighed the cost and benefits of eating a glazed donut yourself? "Gee, one donut a week is probably not going to kill me!" FOOL! Thank god the government knows more than you do, even driving past the Krispy Kreme probably gave you a mild heart attack!
There is a building trend in this country to lay down and die like a dog rather than stand up for yourself once in a while. It's like the old coach/drill instructor mantra: "When I say jump, you say 'how high?'". This isn't boot camp, if Apple or the government says jump, you say "Why the hell should I?". That's your right as a free citizen.
Sure, you as an individual don't have to own an iPhone, but tens of millions of people do. How many of those people also vote, and elect politicians that will decide how WE should live our lives? Do you want someone who is willing to bend over and let Apple have their way with them making important decisions that affect YOUR life? It's easy to say that person is wasting their own money and not harming you in any way, but that same person probably voted to ban trans fat, and happy meal toys, and black cars and incandescent light bulbs. How long before they vote to ban the internet (too much scary stuff out there), ban smoking, drinking, pornography, gambling, any other vices you might enjoy. Maybe they'll ban religions that aren't theirs, maybe one of those is yours. If they have the mentality that there is always a big brother looking out for them, how much of their and your freedoms are they willing to sacrifice to feel safe and warm and snuggly in their trans-fat free Apple-dictated little world?
[citation][nom]getreal[/nom]What a stupid, deliberate troll bait of an article.Author is a drama queen; it's a goddamn phone. If you don't like it or Apple's practices, get Android, or Windows Phone, or better yet, no phone at all. But please, making RIDICULOUS claims that frickin CELL PHONE threatens democracy.GET REAL.[/citation]
Ummm... this is even more dramatic and is a direct troll... you should learn from your own statements
Ummm... this is even more dramatic and is a direct troll... you should learn from your own statements
"But please, making RIDICULOUS claims that frickin CELL PHONE threatens democracy."
You're the ridiculous one, with no grasp of how the real world works. Control mechanisms are put into place, then an "extraordinary event" causes the government to apply "extraordinary measures", in the form of "temporary" police state laws. Then, the laws never go away, much like how the Patriot Act, or Syria's police state laws are STILL in effect after 10 and 50 years, respectively.
More often than not, they only go away after a violent revolution, or when defeated in a war (like Germany's police state laws in WW2).
You're the ridiculous one, with no grasp of how the real world works. Control mechanisms are put into place, then an "extraordinary event" causes the government to apply "extraordinary measures", in the form of "temporary" police state laws. Then, the laws never go away, much like how the Patriot Act, or Syria's police state laws are STILL in effect after 10 and 50 years, respectively.
More often than not, they only go away after a violent revolution, or when defeated in a war (like Germany's police state laws in WW2).
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Cook is right, partially. While I would certainly despise Apple deciding my user experience, it would just be trouble saved for my non-techy parents.
In the 21st century, growth of tech has primarily been fueled by making people who can't speak in binary have access to technology. They want the benefits of the technology, but not the troubles that accompany it. Apple does it for them, and they don't care as long as they can download songs and watch videos. Apple allows them to use tech, without understanding what is OS and what is SSHing. And trust me, there are A LOT of people, even in my generation, and in my school, who don't know the difference between copying a file and a shortcut. No wonder they can comfortably fit a 1000 games on a CD, which don't work on any other PC.
But that doesn't justify some of Apple's tactics, like collecting user data. But as far as 'controlling your user experience' goes, a lot of people need it. And some who don't, they have other options.
In the 21st century, growth of tech has primarily been fueled by making people who can't speak in binary have access to technology. They want the benefits of the technology, but not the troubles that accompany it. Apple does it for them, and they don't care as long as they can download songs and watch videos. Apple allows them to use tech, without understanding what is OS and what is SSHing. And trust me, there are A LOT of people, even in my generation, and in my school, who don't know the difference between copying a file and a shortcut. No wonder they can comfortably fit a 1000 games on a CD, which don't work on any other PC.
But that doesn't justify some of Apple's tactics, like collecting user data. But as far as 'controlling your user experience' goes, a lot of people need it. And some who don't, they have other options.
"This is the reason why microsoft will always be king...."
I guess you're referring to how they've managed to keep media reporting their various backdoors like NSAKEY to such a low level? ...cause I know you're sure as hell not referring to their respect for your privacy and digital human rights.
I guess you're referring to how they've managed to keep media reporting their various backdoors like NSAKEY to such a low level? ...cause I know you're sure as hell not referring to their respect for your privacy and digital human rights.
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[citation][nom]molo9000[/nom]Isn't Windows Phone 7 just as "walled in" as iOS?I don't think Microsoft allows u to install software that doesn't come from their marketplace.[/citation]
You can use other market places beside the one from microsoft.
You can use other market places beside the one from microsoft.
iZombies don't want freedom, and would not know what to do with it.
Freedom requires investment on thinking, and that's too much to ask from some people.
That people don't have enough individuality, so buys things to show themselves. For that reason, those objects really broadcast the message "I know I'm not worthy enough, this object has more personality than me".
Freedom requires investment on thinking, and that's too much to ask from some people.
That people don't have enough individuality, so buys things to show themselves. For that reason, those objects really broadcast the message "I know I'm not worthy enough, this object has more personality than me".
[citation][nom]Vladislaus[/nom]You can use other market places beside the one from microsoft.[/citation]
Do u have any source for that?
All I can find on the interwebz about installing non-marketplace apps on WP7 is that u have to unlock (i.e. jailbreak) the phone first. Microsoft's statement on that is something along the lines of "Please don't do it. Could void warranty, etc."
Microsoft isn't any more about freedom than Apple is. Microsoft has always used proprietary file formats and APIs to lock in users and defend their desktop OS monopoly position.
Do u have any source for that?
All I can find on the interwebz about installing non-marketplace apps on WP7 is that u have to unlock (i.e. jailbreak) the phone first. Microsoft's statement on that is something along the lines of "Please don't do it. Could void warranty, etc."
Microsoft isn't any more about freedom than Apple is. Microsoft has always used proprietary file formats and APIs to lock in users and defend their desktop OS monopoly position.
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Maybe it eluded me, but, I did not see current apple users answering the final call for answers from the article:
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