Apple Approves/Disapproves Baby Shaking iPhone App

[skine]

[citation][nom]tenor77[/nom]That's my point. We have the freedom of speech just for this reason. To protect us from oppression. It's just been turned into an excuse to say or do anything without merit behind it. Sure they have the right to do so, but I feel like it's abused sometimes, or at the very least taken for granted.[/citation]
I'm sure very few people would argue that there are things that shouldn't be said, and there are things said which have little to no merit. But the difference between "shouldn't" and "can't" or "can't without fear of punishment" is the entire purpose of free speech.

Maybe I shouldn't say "I enjoy killing babies," but I still can.

[nom]Voltaire[\nom]I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

 

[tenor77]

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think it's abused and taken for granted. Not saying it should be taken away, just respect the fact that we have the right when a lot of people don't.

Okay that enough about this.
Boobies!

 

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]gm0n3y[/nom]I actually think this is really funny. People just need to lighten up and realize its a joke. If you don't like it, don't download it.[/citation]

Exactly. Who really cares? The product doesn't interest me, but why should it be taken away from those who might find it interesting?

Ofcouse, this is Apple's service, and they can do what they want. But I certainly hope they don't censor their products because a few people want to take freedoms away from other.

 

[mamw93]

BIG difference in a virtual shaking baby and the real thing. They aren't going after games for allowing the virtual slaying of other people so they need to shut up... they're being hypocritical.

 

[caamsa]

It is called "shaken baby syndrome" and it is nothing to joke about. There are enough impressionable idiots that might get the wrong idea with this little game and think that it is ok to shake a baby. Once is too many. In regards to games that kill other people.....well most adults can defend themselves and babys can't.


http/kidshealth.org/parent/medical/brain/shaken.html

 

[mamw93]

[citation][nom]caamsa[/nom]It is called "shaken baby syndrome" and it is nothing to joke about. There are enough impressionable idiots that might get the wrong idea with this little game and think that it is ok to shake a baby. Once is too many. In regards to games that kill other people.....well most adults can defend themselves and babys can't. http/kidshealth.org/parent/medical/brain/shaken.html[/citation]
Wow... you don't get it either. I wasn't making the point of who could defend themselves I was stating the hypocrisy of the argument. If you're to stupid to get it I'll give it to you another way. Games also have animals being killed... good enough for you????

 

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]caamsa[/nom]It is called "shaken baby syndrome" and it is nothing to joke about. There are enough impressionable idiots that might get the wrong idea with this little game and think that it is ok to shake a baby. Once is too many. In regards to games that kill other people.....well most adults can defend themselves and babys can't. http/kidshealth.org/parent/medical/brain/shaken.html[/citation]
Yeah!

Let's ban all content that makes us uncomfortable and we don't like! That's what freedom is all about!

 

[starryman]

Good thing that Apple removed it from the store. But still guilty of allowing it initially. And they claim to be best of class. My ass!

 

[neiroatopelcc]

Quite tasteless that piece of software really. It belongs in a Quentin Terrentino movie or some other sick place, not on a public markedplace. if it'd get a rating it'd be M anyway.

 

[caamsa]

[citation][nom]Tindytim[/nom]Yeah!Let's ban all content that makes us uncomfortable and we don't like! That's what freedom is all about![/citation]

What the hell does this have to do with freedom? We have to have some guide lines. You can't do whatever the hell you feel like doing. You aparently don't get it.

 

[caamsa]

[citation][nom]mamw93[/nom]Wow... you don't get it either. I wasn't making the point of who could defend themselves I was stating the hypocrisy of the argument. If you're to stupid to get it I'll give it to you another way. Games also have animals being killed... good enough for you????[/citation]

If I was responding to your post I would have quoted it. I was making the point about babies not being able to defend themselves that is all. That was my point. You can read right....? Who cares what you think since you have no idea what you are talking about. Hypocracy has nothing to do with it. It is right and wrong. In some circumstances we do kill animals and people and it is accectable......I am not sure if you will find a time when it is ok to kill a baby. So your point is invalid.

 

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]caamsa[/nom]What the hell does this have to do with freedom? We have to have some guide lines. You can't do whatever the hell you feel like doing.[/citation]
I would agree. But I say, live and let live. If you're not harming anyone else, why should I stop you?

This product is stupid and tasteless, but they aren't shaking babies by using it. They don't harm anyone by using this product, so why are you hell bent on controlling other people?

 

[caamsa]

[citation][nom]Tindytim[/nom]I would agree. But I say, live and let live. If you're not harming anyone else, why should I stop you?This product is stupid and tasteless, but they aren't shaking babies by using it. They don't harm anyone by using this product, so why are you hell bent on controlling other people?[/citation]

I feel very strongly that we should not even be having this discussion. If this product is not harming anyone they why are people so freaking mad about it? So harm has been done. Apple may loose business....so harm has been done.

I have seen first hand what happens to a baby that has been shaken to the point where it has gone either blind, had permanent brain damage or died.

Some things should be off limits.

 

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]caamsa[/nom]I feel very strongly that we should not even be having this discussion. If this product is not harming anyone they why are people so freaking mad about it?[/citation]
People get mad about stupid things that don't effect them all the time. Just look at religious holy wars, people killed other people, rather than just letting them lives their lives.

[citation][nom]caamsa[/nom]I have seen first hand what happens to a baby that has been shaken to the point where it has gone either blind, had permanent brain damage or died.[/citation]
So? This game doesn't shake babies when you play it. I don't like dead baby jokes, and the premise of this game is rather sick. So guess what? I won't buy it. If people find it wrong, they won't buy it, and no one will attempt to profit off of a product like this. But people should have freedom of expression.

[citation][nom]caamsa[/nom]Some things should be off limits.[/citation]
Either everything can be joked about, or nothing can be joked about.

Once you start making exceptions, you'll have to make more exceptions to cater to more sensibilities.

 

[caamsa]

People get mad about stupid things that don't effect them all the time. Just look at religious holy wars, people killed other people, rather than just letting them lives their lives.

What does a holy war have to do with out discussion? So getting mad about things is stupid.....?

So? This game doesn't shake babies when you play it. I don't like dead baby jokes, and the premise of this game is rather sick. So guess what? I won't buy it. If people find it wrong, they won't buy it, and no one will attempt to profit off of a product like this.

So I can make a "beat the wife app" a "sexually abuse a minor" app and a "lynch the black person" app?

I don't think so there are even limits to free speech.

But people should have freedom of expression.Either everything can be joked about, or nothing can be joked about.Once you start making exceptions, you'll have to make more exceptions to cater to more sensibilities.

"According to the Freedom Forum Organization, legal systems, and society at large, recognize limits on the freedom of speech, particularly when freedom of speech conflicts with other values or rights.[18] Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography or "hate speech".[19] Limitations to freedom of speech may occur through legal sanction and/or social disapprobation."

 

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]caamsa[/nom]What does a holy war have to do with out discussion?[/citation]
A bunch of people killing people over the slight difference they decide to interpret things isn't getting mad over stupid things? Perhaps I'm crazy, but I think that's a pretty stupid thing to do, especially since most of the people they killed didn't effect their lives.

[citation][nom]caamsa[/nom]So I can make a "beat the wife app" a "sexually abuse a minor" app and a "lynch the black person" app?[/citation]
Yeah, go for it!

It isn't going to effect my life in any significant way, because I'm not going to buy those products, so why should I care that you enjoy making a product, and you can make money off of it?

[citation][nom]caamsa[/nom]I don't think so there are even limits to free speech. "According to the Freedom Forum Organization, legal systems, and society at large, recognize limits on the freedom of speech, particularly when freedom of speech conflicts with other values or rights.[18] Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography or "hate speech".[19] Limitations to freedom of speech may occur through legal sanction and/or social disapprobation."[/citation]

Wrong freedom, this is Freedom of expression. And this is a product that is being bough by consenting buyers. Hate speech is an exception to freedom of speech because if someone calls me a n*****, and proceeds to insult me based on some prejudice, I don't have a choice as to what I am hearing. I can leave, but that doesn't change what I've already heard.

No one is forcing you to buy this product, you probably wouldn't have known such an app existed if Tom's didn't report it. This product isn't going to effect your life in any significant way unless you want it to, so why do you feel you need to tell people what they can and can't do?

Based on what you've expressed, you're a social fascist.

 

[pocketdrummer]

If you can't resist the crying and shake it, then maybe you shouldn't have kids...

Might be a good test if you're thinking about it with another person. Meh.

 

[caamsa]

Wrong freedom, this is Freedom of expression. And this is a product that is being bough by consenting buyers. Hate speech is an exception to freedom of speech because if someone calls me a n*****, and proceeds to insult me based on some prejudice, I don't have a choice as to what I am hearing. I can leave, but that doesn't change what I've already heard.

"Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak freely without censorship or limitation. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes used to denote not only freedom of verbal speech but any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used."


No one is forcing you to buy this product, you probably wouldn't have known such an app existed if Tom's didn't report it. This product isn't going to effect your life in any significant way unless you want it to, so why do you feel you need to tell people what they can and can't do? Based on what you've expressed, you're a social fascist.

Tom's was not the only one to report it. Since I work in child welfare we tend to hear about things like this that exploit children. If you get all your news from Tom's then maybe you need to expand your horizons. Also you forget I have the right to not agree with such things and express my opinions about some thing without being called a social fascist. Apple pulled the app and apologized so I guess us social fascists won.

Are you a liberal nazi?

 

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]caamsa[/nom]Also you forget I have the right to not agree with such things and express my opinions about some thing without being called a social fascist.[/citation]
No you don't. You have the freedom to express something stupid, and I have the freedom to express that your ideas are stupid.

Similar to someone making a product, and you expressing you displeasure with such a product (Where have we heard that?).

[citation][nom]caamsa[/nom]Apple pulled the app and apologized so I guess us social fascists won.[/citation]
Only is Apple pulled it because they think it wrong for people to have free expression. If Apple pulled the product for PR reasons, thats a different story.

[citation][nom]caamsa[/nom]Are you a liberal nazi?[/citation]
Nope. I don't think we should take people's freedoms away, you do.