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[citation][nom]Zoonie[/nom]LOL, you didn't just write that did you? You, as an american, talking about people minding their own business? I don't know what your government feeds you, but I believe it's called ignorance, wrapped in patriotism. Wake the f* up.[/citation]
Im perfectly aware of the extreme hypocrisy and I fully support it... We call it geopolitic. I dont believe in the whole moral BS.
Im perfectly aware of the extreme hypocrisy and I fully support it... We call it geopolitic. I dont believe in the whole moral BS.
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[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom].The leaks never had any tangible impact, thats beside the point. We just need to show the world what happens when you dont mind your own business.[/citation]
That's an interesting assertion as that would have dire consequences if applied to the United States. Puppet governments, invasions, sanctions, vetos etc etc etc.
Furthermore, are you arguing that video footage of US helicopters firing on civilians in Iraq has no tangible impact?
That's an interesting assertion as that would have dire consequences if applied to the United States. Puppet governments, invasions, sanctions, vetos etc etc etc.
Furthermore, are you arguing that video footage of US helicopters firing on civilians in Iraq has no tangible impact?
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[citation][nom]Zoonie[/nom]Hahaha, ok, obvious troll is obvious[/citation]
Nah, I don't think he's trolling. He actually thinks and believes what he says.
Nah, I don't think he's trolling. He actually thinks and believes what he says.
[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]Ive read many of them on the site, which is pointless since there are over 250k cables... I wont start name those that I am aware of since that would be too long, Ive read over a 100 from 3rd parties. Im well versed in geopolitics and history and I can tell you that we learned NOTHING from those cables... OMG the Saudis hate the Iranians, lol who was surprised by that? We operate on Yemeni soil unofficially, again who did not know that? I want him killed just as an example, not because he is of any real value. Any other douche bag could have leaked those cables. Btw I was referring to the assassination of Alexander Litvinenko by the KGB. We should do the same with Assange.The leaks never had any tangible impact, thats beside the point. We just need to show the world what happens when you dont mind your own business.[/citation]
Prolly one reason why he choose the USA to steal cables is because our Gov't would tolerate it while KGB or other Secret Service would blow his brains out while he slept. Then again I would not be surprised if the USA cables came from someone not born in USA.
Prolly one reason why he choose the USA to steal cables is because our Gov't would tolerate it while KGB or other Secret Service would blow his brains out while he slept. Then again I would not be surprised if the USA cables came from someone not born in USA.
[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]Ive read many of them on the site, which is pointless since there are over 250k cables... I wont start name those that I am aware of since that would be too long, Ive read over a 100 from 3rd parties. Im well versed in geopolitics and history and I can tell you that we learned NOTHING from those cables... OMG the Saudis hate the Iranians, lol who was surprised by that? We operate on Yemeni soil unofficially, again who did not know that? I want him killed just as an example, not because he is of any real value. Any other douche bag could have leaked those cables. Btw I was referring to the assassination of Alexander Litvinenko by the KGB. We should do the same with Assange.The leaks never had any tangible impact, thats beside the point. We just need to show the world what happens when you dont mind your own business.[/citation]
Maybe because people keep wanting to ignore what happened. Maybe its just too much to comprehend the dirty dealings that went on. perhaps as Hunter S. Thompson put it, "The only hope now, I felt, was the possibility that we'd gone to such excess, with our gig, that nobody in a position to bring the hammer down on us could possibly believe it."
Apparently you missed the cable that talks about US contractors hiring child "dance boy" prostitutes. Maybe the ones where the US pressured the German government not to press charges against CIA operatives who bungled a kidnapping of someone based solely on having the same name, kept him locked up and tortured for months before release. There's plenty others, read some of the newspapers that covered the leaks they chose to report on.
All he does is publish the cables, they don't sneak into government buildings or take them. Its not against the law to publish top secret documents. The supreme court has already said so.
Read up on the Pentagon papers sometime. Free speech demands it not to be illegal to publish documents like this. They're in the public interest to be educated about the wrongdoings of our government and businesses.
Maybe because people keep wanting to ignore what happened. Maybe its just too much to comprehend the dirty dealings that went on. perhaps as Hunter S. Thompson put it, "The only hope now, I felt, was the possibility that we'd gone to such excess, with our gig, that nobody in a position to bring the hammer down on us could possibly believe it."
Apparently you missed the cable that talks about US contractors hiring child "dance boy" prostitutes. Maybe the ones where the US pressured the German government not to press charges against CIA operatives who bungled a kidnapping of someone based solely on having the same name, kept him locked up and tortured for months before release. There's plenty others, read some of the newspapers that covered the leaks they chose to report on.
All he does is publish the cables, they don't sneak into government buildings or take them. Its not against the law to publish top secret documents. The supreme court has already said so.
Read up on the Pentagon papers sometime. Free speech demands it not to be illegal to publish documents like this. They're in the public interest to be educated about the wrongdoings of our government and businesses.
[citation][nom]DM0407[/nom]The media likes to make is sound like wikileaks is somehow endangering our troops and ruining our economy. I'm sorry, but our former President beat him to it.[/citation]
Its just that he's showing that "here's proof of what you've been suspecting for a long while".
Its in the public interest for the public to know what its leaders and businesses are doing, so that we can vote them out and ask the Attorney general to file charges against them.
If someone thinks this is somehow worthy of being killed or should be in jail for this, they need to move to one of the countries the US rails against for locking up and executing people who speak out against the government. They will fit right in.
Its just that he's showing that "here's proof of what you've been suspecting for a long while".
Its in the public interest for the public to know what its leaders and businesses are doing, so that we can vote them out and ask the Attorney general to file charges against them.
If someone thinks this is somehow worthy of being killed or should be in jail for this, they need to move to one of the countries the US rails against for locking up and executing people who speak out against the government. They will fit right in.
[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]I just hope that he will die of radioactive poisoning in a near future.[/citation]
I hope you will die from radioactive poisoning sooner than him!
His documents has revealed that a lot more people are not minding their own business. It's terrifying what commercial interests are doing successfully to affect other countries. He is a true hero and he is very important for a true democracy. Thanks to him, corrupt politicians will not be able to get away with their schemes and designs. It's a fallacy to consider him as being a spy, he's merely doing what news agencies are supposed to but are not because they are under the control of "big daddy".
I hope you will die from radioactive poisoning sooner than him!
His documents has revealed that a lot more people are not minding their own business. It's terrifying what commercial interests are doing successfully to affect other countries. He is a true hero and he is very important for a true democracy. Thanks to him, corrupt politicians will not be able to get away with their schemes and designs. It's a fallacy to consider him as being a spy, he's merely doing what news agencies are supposed to but are not because they are under the control of "big daddy".
the vast majority of people cannot even manage their own lives and should not be privilged to hearing only part of the inner workings of orginizations that they do not know anything with regards to their past unreported operations (that may actually be worse) i support what he is doing to a certain degree but the initial theft of information is and should be dealth with as any other theft. on the other hand if he was to publish direct information that were to say something to the effect of "that rusian offical named ivan living in moscow is really and american operative named dave from illinois" then all persons involved in making that information public should be shot in the street as traitors. and anyone that thinks what he is doing is going to have any negative long term impact on the direction this country is heading is very naive.
WikiLeaks release of classified US government documents has not shown a single "cablegate" scenario. Not one. There is no smoking gun. It has not shown wide spread rampant evil actions by the US government. But what it has done is provide sensitive information to nations like Iran and North Korea and Mr Assange wants us all to believe that his actions are in the best interests of the world at large? What a joke.
North Korea used this information to run home to China to beg them not to give up on them and now Iran is motivated by an even greater need to build atomic weapons of mass destruction. Yet, here we have some people elevating Assange to Hero status. Again what a joke!
Assange is dangerous, not because of any truth he might dig up, but because of what information he might disseminate to certain nations across the world. I wonder how all his supports will feel when Iran drops a nuke on Israel or Saudi Arabia.
That aside I still can not figure how WikiLeaks can be running expenses of $195,000 a week. Man his ISP must be charging a fortune to host the site. Assange is a liar! A bold face Liar! All Assange cares about is Julian Assange.
North Korea used this information to run home to China to beg them not to give up on them and now Iran is motivated by an even greater need to build atomic weapons of mass destruction. Yet, here we have some people elevating Assange to Hero status. Again what a joke!
Assange is dangerous, not because of any truth he might dig up, but because of what information he might disseminate to certain nations across the world. I wonder how all his supports will feel when Iran drops a nuke on Israel or Saudi Arabia.
That aside I still can not figure how WikiLeaks can be running expenses of $195,000 a week. Man his ISP must be charging a fortune to host the site. Assange is a liar! A bold face Liar! All Assange cares about is Julian Assange.
$935k is insane, there's no way that's possible. I've been reading the comments, waiting for someone from Toms to make a correction. I read the source article and the number Assange mentions is 600,000 Francs, assuming these are Swiss Francs (the original publication is said to be Swiss), that would be just a little more than $600k. That still seems way too high.
My guesses are that either there was a transcription error, Assange was misheard, lying, or he was referring to a low value (non-Swiss) currency which is also called a Franc. The only reason I can think of that he'd do that is if he was trying to intentionally overstate Wikileak's expenses.
That's just an astronomical sum of money for a website - with no salaried staff to speak of - to be losing. As others have pointed out, you could run a small, private army for that much.
The only other possibility is that Assange paid all his lawyers on one day, then took that number, multiplied it by seven and decided that was their weekly loss. Basically the same as lying.
I still don't know where the $935k figure came from, because the Swiss Franc is the most valuable Franc I'm aware of . . .
My guesses are that either there was a transcription error, Assange was misheard, lying, or he was referring to a low value (non-Swiss) currency which is also called a Franc. The only reason I can think of that he'd do that is if he was trying to intentionally overstate Wikileak's expenses.
That's just an astronomical sum of money for a website - with no salaried staff to speak of - to be losing. As others have pointed out, you could run a small, private army for that much.
The only other possibility is that Assange paid all his lawyers on one day, then took that number, multiplied it by seven and decided that was their weekly loss. Basically the same as lying.
I still don't know where the $935k figure came from, because the Swiss Franc is the most valuable Franc I'm aware of . . .
[citation][nom]mikem_90[/nom]Maybe because people keep wanting to ignore what happened. Maybe its just too much to comprehend the dirty dealings that went on. perhaps as Hunter S. Thompson put it, "The only hope now, I felt, was the possibility that we'd gone to such excess, with our gig, that nobody in a position to bring the hammer down on us could possibly believe it."Apparently you missed the cable that talks about US contractors hiring child "dance boy" prostitutes. Maybe the ones where the US pressured the German government not to press charges against CIA operatives who bungled a kidnapping of someone based solely on having the same name, kept him locked up and tortured for months before release. There's plenty others, read some of the newspapers that covered the leaks they chose to report on.All he does is publish the cables, they don't sneak into government buildings or take them. Its not against the law to publish top secret documents. The supreme court has already said so.Read up on the Pentagon papers sometime. Free speech demands it not to be illegal to publish documents like this. They're in the public interest to be educated about the wrongdoings of our government and businesses.[/citation]
Politic is based on lying.Maybe you should read The Prince by Machiavelli. It could help you understand how geopolitics work.
Ive read about those cables too. I found the Afghan boys story quite funny, but I dont see how its bad... Some contractor did some shady business and someone wrote a cable about it because that person probably thought someone should do something about it. How is that evil?
In all seriousness how do you white-knighting dearest comrade*ots think we (the west) ended up being the super power in the world? By playing nice with the rest of the world? ROFL, yeah right. Its a dirty business and someone has to do it. Whining about it will not change anything. I wonder if the Chinese government is ethical in its international dealings?
I know that Assange did not do anything illegal btw, thats beside the point.
Politic is based on lying.Maybe you should read The Prince by Machiavelli. It could help you understand how geopolitics work.
Ive read about those cables too. I found the Afghan boys story quite funny, but I dont see how its bad... Some contractor did some shady business and someone wrote a cable about it because that person probably thought someone should do something about it. How is that evil?
In all seriousness how do you white-knighting dearest comrade*ots think we (the west) ended up being the super power in the world? By playing nice with the rest of the world? ROFL, yeah right. Its a dirty business and someone has to do it. Whining about it will not change anything. I wonder if the Chinese government is ethical in its international dealings?
I know that Assange did not do anything illegal btw, thats beside the point.
[citation][nom]Kabel[/nom]WikiLeaks release of classified US government documents has not shown a single "cablegate" scenario. Not one. There is no smoking gun...[/citation]
I beg to differ. I cannot speak for all document since I have not read through them all but I have read about a lot of disturbing things going on.
One is that a big IT company that has a very tight relationship with Microsoft has been working with the EU parliament in Brussels to suppress development of Open-Source software.
There are also indications that people who try to enforce software patents within the EU are strongly influenced by commercial interests in the US.
Measures such as legislative packages to authorize the states to warrantlessly wiretap all telephone and Internet traffic and force ISP to store traffic data for individual users have been taken with the arguments to "stop childporn" and "fight terrorism". Most educated people have known that this is b*llsh*t and childporn and terrorism merely are strawman arguments but it has been difficult to prove until Wikileaks documents have revealed explicitly that this is the case showing communications about this between embassies.
Among many things there was a checklist issued by the International Intellectual Property Alliance (aka IIPA):
Adopt the copyright law amendments on injunctive relief against ISPs and a “right of information” to permit rights holders to obtain the identity of suspected infringers from ISPs in civil cases
• Prosecute to the fullest extent the owners of ThePirateBay
• Increase the prosecutorial and police manpower devoted to criminal Internet piracy enforcement
• Commence a national criminal enforcement campaign to target source piracy and large scale Internet pirates
• Ensure that rights holders may pursue the new civil remedies easily and quickly
• Take an active role fostering ISP-rights holder discussions to effectively prevent protected content from being distributed without authorization over the Internet
Here is a post that gets deeper into this:
http
/bit.ly/i6f3Sq
There are also speculations that US government have interests in creating a war as a way to stimulate the economy and gunned down alleged terrorists that have turned out to be innocent people. I have not read into this deeply enough to argue for this.
I beg to differ. I cannot speak for all document since I have not read through them all but I have read about a lot of disturbing things going on.
One is that a big IT company that has a very tight relationship with Microsoft has been working with the EU parliament in Brussels to suppress development of Open-Source software.
There are also indications that people who try to enforce software patents within the EU are strongly influenced by commercial interests in the US.
Measures such as legislative packages to authorize the states to warrantlessly wiretap all telephone and Internet traffic and force ISP to store traffic data for individual users have been taken with the arguments to "stop childporn" and "fight terrorism". Most educated people have known that this is b*llsh*t and childporn and terrorism merely are strawman arguments but it has been difficult to prove until Wikileaks documents have revealed explicitly that this is the case showing communications about this between embassies.
Among many things there was a checklist issued by the International Intellectual Property Alliance (aka IIPA):
Adopt the copyright law amendments on injunctive relief against ISPs and a “right of information” to permit rights holders to obtain the identity of suspected infringers from ISPs in civil cases
• Prosecute to the fullest extent the owners of ThePirateBay
• Increase the prosecutorial and police manpower devoted to criminal Internet piracy enforcement
• Commence a national criminal enforcement campaign to target source piracy and large scale Internet pirates
• Ensure that rights holders may pursue the new civil remedies easily and quickly
• Take an active role fostering ISP-rights holder discussions to effectively prevent protected content from being distributed without authorization over the Internet
Here is a post that gets deeper into this:
http
/bit.ly/i6f3SqThere are also speculations that US government have interests in creating a war as a way to stimulate the economy and gunned down alleged terrorists that have turned out to be innocent people. I have not read into this deeply enough to argue for this.
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