Australian Gov't Considering Filtering BitTorrent

[sacre]

funny how pirates cry about PC games dying, yet continue to download them. I used to pirate, used Newsleecher, Utorrent, etc. I stopped though, smartened up. Realized that if I want more PC games to come out we're going to actually have to support the PC game publishers/creators. Yes, Pirating DOES kill a huge amount of PC Sales. Yes, you can pirate for Xbox 360/PS3 but the process is a lot more difficult. Yes, there are other factors like the computers Gcard, mem, cpu, etc that limit PC sales too. But all in all, I think we can boost PC sales dramatically and encourage game makers to keep the PC alive if we just ..slow down with the pirating.

Spore had 1,700,000 games pirated.... 1,700,000... Thats "assuming each copy costs 60 dollars" 102,000,000 dollars lost. Of course, they only receive a chunk of that, the rest goes to the companies like walmart. But even if its 50,000,000. Or even 10,000,000. That could go to even better, funner games.

But it won't, because these pirates have an IQ of 5. "gimme more games! ..pay? no, i want them for free!"

If the PC gaming area dies, to the point where games for the pc are just poorly done ports or old crappy games. I'm going to laugh, because a majority of PC gamers pirate. And this is whats going to happen.

As for the Blocking Bitorrent. Too much of this Government controlling us shit is happening, in the US, Aus, nearly everywhere. We need to do something soon. Its getting out of hand.

 

[randomizer]

[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]Too much of this Government controlling us shit is happening, in the US, Aus, nearly everywhere. We need to do something soon. Its getting out of hand.[/citation]
The problem is that most of the media attention to the REAL issues surrounding this is that it's all on tech websites that only a minority read. Mum and Dad don't know a thing about it.

 

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]roadrunner197069[/nom]100s are slow as hell.[/citation]
.....What? getting 500KBps is pretty great. I am talking B (bytes) not b (bits). If you think 500KBps (Approximately 4Mbps) is slow, then I suppose everything would be pretty slow for you.

But downloading a ~700MB iso in >9 Minutes is what I would consider speed.

 

[randomizer]

[citation][nom]TIndytim[/nom]But downloading a ~700MB iso in >9 Minutes is what I would consider speed.[/citation]
I could do that via HTTP on some sites, but it would take ours via BitTorrent.

 

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]I could do that via HTTP on some sites, but it would take ours via BitTorrent.[/citation]
Maybe you don't understand the Torrent protocol. The protocol doesn't limit the speed of the download. You just need enough people seeding to get those speeds, and Surprise! the open source community is better at sharing.

 

[randomizer]

[citation][nom]TIndytim[/nom]Maybe you don't understand the Torrent protocol. The protocol doesn't limit the speed of the download. You just need enough people seeding to get those speeds, and Surprise! the open source community is better at sharing.[/citation]
I understand how it works. I have downloaded with thousands of seeds and guess what, it was still slow. It doesn't help that the protocol has a horrible amount of overhead either.

 

[enforcer22]

[citation][nom]TIndytim[/nom].....What? getting 500KBps is pretty great. I am talking B (bytes) not b (bits). If you think 500KBps (Approximately 4Mbps) is slow, then I suppose everything would be pretty slow for you.But downloading a ~700MB iso in >9 Minutes is what I would consider speed.[/citation]

Yes that is slow. I get about 2MB download off my torrents sometimes more but normaly by the time i get that high its already downloaded.

[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]funny how pirates cry about PC games dying, yet continue to download them. I used to pirate, used Newsleecher, Utorrent, etc. I stopped though, smartened up. Realized that if I want more PC games to come out we're going to actually have to support the PC game publishers/creators. Yes, Pirating DOES kill a huge amount of PC Sales. Yes, you can pirate for Xbox 360/PS3 but the process is a lot more difficult. Yes, there are other factors like the computers Gcard, mem, cpu, etc that limit PC sales too. But all in all, I think we can boost PC sales dramatically and encourage game makers to keep the PC alive if we just ..slow down with the pirating.Spore had 1,700,000 games pirated.... 1,700,000... Thats "assuming each copy costs 60 dollars" 102,000,000 dollars lost. Of course, they only receive a chunk of that, the rest goes to the companies like walmart. But even if its 50,000,000. Or even 10,000,000. That could go to even better, funner games.But it won't, because these pirates have an IQ of 5. "gimme more games! ..pay? no, i want them for free!"If the PC gaming area dies, to the point where games for the pc are just poorly done ports or old crappy games. I'm going to laugh, because a majority of PC gamers pirate. And this is whats going to happen.As for the Blocking Bitorrent. Too much of this Government controlling us shit is happening, in the US, Aus, nearly everywhere. We need to do something soon. Its getting out of hand.[/citation]

its funny how that makes sense at all to you. If the game didnt get torrented it wouldnt get paid for either. Wana know why spore got torrented more then paid for? Suckyrom so many people wanted to buy that game but way to many of them already know securom is computer damaging. Its pretty clear securom didnt stop the people who really wanted to buy the game but refuse securom to crack and spread that game like wild fire.

Seriously dont talk about others IQ until you even get a clue what your talking about. There are handfulls of games that would sell millions hand over fist but securom kills the sales before it even hits the shelves. I have now passed up at least 10 games becuase of it. If i had known 12 of the game i paid for had it i would have never got them either. I dont play them anymore because of securom however so waste of money for me.

And most games are remakes of old games.

 

[ThePatriot]

It is obvious that the Aussie government has very fascistic, oppressive and a middle-age of view of media-control.
I pity the Aussie citizens.

Freedom doesn't come cheap.... and if all democratic means of getting your freedom back have been shut tight then there is only one way of getting your freedom back. Unfortunately.

Weel, it is time to educate the Aussies on Usenet, proxies and VPN.

Because information is like water.... it will always find a way to flow.

And about pirating software... software companies have the wrong business model for marketing their product.

Less is more.
If people can buy the game, without securom or drm and the price is right.... then piracy will become insignificant.

 

[btk1w1]

As soon as the thumb screws are applied to BitTorrent traffic here in Australia I for one will be reconsidering my contract with my ISP.

Not being given the choice to use my unlimited (supposedly) high speed internet as I wish is not fair, as far as I am concerned I am no longer getting what I paid for.

I will be making applications / appeals to the telecommunications ombudsman here to have my contract made null and void. I will be happy just using what little of the internet is left to read emails and the occassional web page. Dial-up will do me just fine thankyou very much.

If everyone let their feet do the talking, ISP's will cry foul, and the Australian government will backflip like a star gymnastics olympian.

 

[Guest]

This is ludicrous,setting up an individual overseas proxy server will circumvent this crude form of internet censorship.

 

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]EnFoRceR22[/nom]Yes that is slow. I get about 2MB download off my torrents sometimes more but normaly by the time i get that high its already downloaded.[/citation]
I find that odd. I have a 10Mb connection, which is the fastest you can get for a residential location where I live. And somehow downloading at 10Mbps is slow?

[citation][nom]EnFoRceR22[/nom]If the game didnt get torrented it wouldnt get paid for either.[/citation]

That's complete bullshit. While a percentage of people pirate because they don't have the cash to buy the game, and them pirating the software doesn't loose the developer a sale, there are people out there that would pirate a game rather than pay for it even if they have the resources and believe it's a worthy product.

[citation][nom]EnFoRceR22[/nom]Wana know why spore got torrented more then paid for?[/citation]
You want to list a source for that statistic?

[citation][nom]EnFoRceR22[/nom]Suckyrom so many people wanted to buy that game but way to many of them already know securom is computer damaging.[/citation]
SecuRom may be intrusive, I don't believe it damages computers. That whole SecuRom excuse is just that, an excuse. There are plenty of guides out there on how to remove it. Not to mention the average user isn't going to be effect by SecuRom.

[citation][nom]EnFoRceR22[/nom]but securom kills the sales before it even hits the shelves. I have now passed up at least 10 games becuase of it. If i had known 12 of the game i paid for had it i would have never got them either. I dont play them anymore because of securom however so waste of money for me.[/citation]
I would really love it if more people did skip a game because SecuRom was on it, but they don't. It may effect sales, but not enough to effect it.

Don't get me wrong, I don't support Piracy. But I think it would be great if the next game with SecuRom only got 1 sale, and 10 million players.

Yes, Pirating DOES kill a huge amount of PC Sales. Yes, you can pirate for Xbox 360/PS3 but the process is a lot more difficult.

Shut up, you don't know what you're talking about.
1. It's extremely easy to pirate 360 games, just as easy, if not easier than PC games (as far as the end user goes).
2. Up until recent PS3 games couldn't be pirated. Even now, it's a difficult process and only works with certain games.
3. I know multiple people (well into the 50's) that bought 360's just to pirate games. It's extremely cheap since they only have to pay for a console and a few peripherals.

Spore had 1,700,000 games pirated.... 1,700,000... Thats "assuming each copy costs 60 dollars" 102,000,000 dollars lost.

Sure, if you make the retarded assumption that if all of those people used a pirated copy would buy the game at $60, or buy it all.

Some pirate games because they don't have the cash to buy games, and that means no loss in sales. They wouldn't have bought the game even if they couldn't pirate it.

Some of those people may have thought the game wasn't worth $60, and would have waited until it was $20.

Some of those people may have stolen it anyway (shoplifting rather than piracy) which actually outs that store $60 that they have to pay for even though they probably only make a few dollars on each sale.

I used to pirate just about everything because I couldn't afford everything I wanted, and if I thought something was worthy of a sale, and would put it on a list and buy it when I had the cash. It probably made me more interested in buy things, as I knew what I was getting. Having little cash makes you weary on spending, and being sure of a product gave me confident in spending.

But it won't, because these pirates have an IQ of 5.

I also find it hypocritical that you comment on the IQs of pirates, when you exhibit some severe lack of thought.

Why don't you go learn something about piracy before you spout your incorrect assumptions.

 

[enforcer22]

I have a 20mb connection though its about a 3rd of what i could get. When the 100mb comes here in the next couple months if its not stupid expensive ill be upgrading to that.

I agree and dissagre with what you had to say but i already made the point i wanted. Obviously there are ass hats out there that will just steal just to do it but when it comes to crap like securom most people would rather not buy it.

I also find it funny people think console pirating is actualy harder then pc.

Securom has been known to damage your windows install to a reinstall state. I have one game that wont even load saying securom has detected my cd isnt the original. Even if you can get securom off your comp its to much bs its like removing a virus.

I have to goto work so i dont have time to finish what little train of thought i had here hope it made sense.

 

[sacre]

I also find it hypocritical that you comment on the IQs of pirates, when you exhibit some severe lack of thought.

Why don't you go learn something about piracy before you spout your incorrect assumptions.

Your opinion, VS, my Facts, and i'm the one with severe lack of thought? I find it sad how people think Pirating doesn't affect the PC gaming community. Guess what, it does.

If someone wants the game, they will pirate it. If they can't, they will buy it. Cut pirating, sales will jump. I pirated back in the day because I wanted the damn game, without having to pay for it. Well, if there was no way of pirating, i would have paid for it. Like I do today, I would have pirated Crysis, Warhead, Spore, GTA4, Fallout, Cod2, cod4, etc, but i didn't. I bought them.

Sure, if you make the retarded assumption that if all of those people used a pirated copy would buy the game at $60, or buy it all.

Some pirate games because they don't have the cash to buy games, and that means no loss in sales. They wouldn't have bought the game even if they couldn't pirate it.

Some of those people may have thought the game wasn't worth $60, and would have waited until it was $20.

Some of those people may have stolen it anyway (shoplifting rather than piracy) which actually outs that store $60 that they have to pay for even though they probably only make a few dollars on each sale.

What? You mean the very small percentage? The majority of pirates, pirate because they don't KNOW they can get the game for free. You know it, I know it. All pirates know it. "oh wow, a brand new game. I want it, oh hey, free, or 60 bucks. Hmm"

Sure, a the minority may pirate because they don't have 60 bucks. Oh well, Sure, people may find its not worth 60 bucks. Well, why not? The creators spend 2-3 years, working, programming, working, working, working to build this game to make YOU happy, and to bring food home, and keep a home, and you say its not worth a measly simple 60 bucks?

Wow.

IF the PC gaming dies, or slows to trickle and all games are shitty. I won't blame them. I'll blame the idiots who think 1 mans hard work and effort, is worth nothing.

Shut up, you don't know what you're talking about.
1. It's extremely easy to pirate 360 games, just as easy, if not easier than PC

No, its not.

 

[enforcer22]

you just suck at it then or have no idea what your talking about when it comes to pirating a console game lol.

It is a good thing the majority or people are mature enough to know if its worth buying to buy it. No most games are NOT worth $60 your opinion doesnt make it so. Most games are more in the $40 rang when you consider the quality of it and any securom game imo isnt worth a penny which is why i dont buy them. Thier work is worth something but what they ask alot of the time for some of these games they make.....

1% of the games even made anymore get more then 5 minutes of my attention anymore. so the only thing really dieing in pc gaming is creativity. Back when the pentium first came out there were so few games i didnt want and i bought ALOT of games back then but like with music movies and alot of other things they have been slowly getting stale and not even worth looking at.

I know i have said this in alot of posts but im from the try it before you buy it generation. I dont try many games but most of the ones i do try i end up buying if they dont have some kind of windows like registration process where i can install so many times and have to call someone to use it again kind of crap.

BTW the only game you mentioned i liked was COD4 the rest are worth nothing to me.

 

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]Your opinion, VS, my Facts,[/citation]
No, My observations vs. your flawed assumptions. Every pirated copy of a game isn't a loss at any price. I've known plenty of pirates, personally and online. And I've had discussions on the ethics of most of it. I find that most pirates are kids and younger people, who either have no income, or have extremely restricted income.

Pretty much all of them preferred to buy it. Hell, I remembered so many people talking about buying the Orange box (5 games for $50? hell yeah) because it was a good value, and they wanted to support games with good value.

[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]and i'm the one with severe lack of thought? I find it sad how people think Pirating doesn't affect the PC gaming community. Guess what, it does.[/citation]
And where did I say it didn't? They effect simply isn't is as big as you exaggerate it to be.

[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]If someone wants the game, they will pirate it. If they can't, they will buy it.[/citation]
I wanted the Orange Box, I could have pirated it, but for some reason I bought it. Odd.

If a broke man wants a game he'll either pirate it, or go without, because he couldn't buy it otherwise.

[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]Cut pirating, sales will jump.[/citation]
Oh, it's so simple! Just cut pirating! that's the solution! /sarcasm

How do you suggest that happens? As long as the code is being executed on the end users machine, the game can and will be pirated. DRM only punishes legitimate users. I support game designers protecting their games, but SecuRom is retarded. I prefer a program like Steam, it's non-intrusive and it even adds functionality the experience, without causing me an inconvenience. Like telling me that I'm using an illegal copy of a game I bought fair and square.

[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]I pirated back in the day because I wanted the damn game, without having to pay for it. Well, if there was no way of pirating, i would have paid for it. Like I do today, I would have pirated Crysis, Warhead, Spore, GTA4, Fallout, Cod2, cod4, etc, but i didn't. I bought them.[/citation]
Then you don't know shit. All of those games have been pirated, multiple times. Not only did you just admit you're a pirate, but a bad pirate.

[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]What? You mean the very small percentage? The majority of pirates, pirate because they don't KNOW they can get the game for free.[/citation]
They don't know they can get it for free? You might want to step back and check your thinking on that.

[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]"oh wow, a brand new game. I want it, oh hey, free, or 60 bucks. Hmm"Sure, a the minority may pirate because they don't have 60 bucks.[/citation]
Minority? How many people do you know that make multiple $60 purchases every few days? I prefered to buy games, but when I was low on cash, I would pirate them. If they were great, I would buy them to support the developer.

[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]Oh well, Sure, people may find its not worth 60 bucks. Well, why not? The creators spend 2-3 years, working, programming, working, working, working to build this game to make YOU happy, and to bring food home, and keep a home, and you say its not worth a measly simple 60 bucks?Wow.[/citation]
So we should buy products based on how long they've been worked on? and not based on their quality? If you make a bad product you shouldn't be rewarded for it. Good games still sell well, Fallout 3 sold extremely well, and it wasn't even that great.

[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]IF the PC gaming dies, or slows to trickle and all games are shitty. I won't blame them. I'll blame the idiots who think 1 mans hard work and effort, is worth nothing.[/citation]
PC gaming isn't dying solely because of piracy. That's just an excuse for mediocre developers getting low sales on their mediocre games. PCs have become relegated to playing online FPSs (with infinite replay value), and MMOs.

[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]No, its not.[/citation]
Yes, yes, it is. All you need in an Xbox 360, and a PC with a DVD burner and internet access.

Go to any torrent site, they have loads of 360 games.

 

[Guest]

this type of behavior by the australian govt in known as fascism .

fas - cism.

get to know the meaning of this word.
as the usa, uk, and australia goose step, in unison, in its general direction.

Orwell said, if you want to know the future , picture a boot on a human face . . . .