[citation][nom]Daeros[/nom]I honestly disagree with most of the Apple-bashing that seems to be so fashionable around here lately. [/citation]
Its not lately. Its more of a long standing thing. Kind of like when someone laughs at the guy that spent $5.00 for a cup of coffee from starbucks and feels special about it...despite the point that starbucks lost out to McDonalds in a blind taste test. By the way starbucks is struggling pretty badly right now for the same reasons many anticipate apple will...ignoring their recent one button music player moron manuver.
[citation][nom]Daeros[/nom]
I have been using both MacOS and Windows since the days of System7 and Windows 3.11, and I still use them both. [/citation]
So have a lot of us...in fact (my guess is you included) a lot of us have used computers before GUI's become standard for program launching etc.
[citation][nom]Daeros[/nom]
No-one will argue the gaming advantage PCs enjoy over Macs, but everyone here that doesn't have a Mac jumps on the price difference as just cometic. First, if I am going to spend $1k-$2k on a machine, I would like it to be sturdy, classy and smooth. [/citation]
Explain to me how talking about a case being classy and smooth or looking expesive/cheap isn't all about cosmetics? /boggle
Apple sells on looks and brand more than anything else. And some people really dig it...others don't. I tend to think most mac PC's look like plasticy, bland, whitish, and abstract. Where as a relatively cheap case like an antec sonata to me looks classy and sharp with a mirror black finish. That said with a PC I can simply pick a case that looks whatever style fits me...or the room its in etc. Mac you either like the look or you don't. /shrug
[citation][nom]Daeros[/nom]
Second, having used both for a long time, I can tell you the mac is more of a pleasure to use on a day-to-day basis. No BS security software bogging my system down, not needing Adobe Reader, and a high level of integration with suites like iLife and iWork, all combine to just get out of my way.[/citation]
I don't have troubles with these things, running aps is what your PC is supposed to do. It is not a problem to have adobe reader installed vs. being part of the OS. On the flip side if MS build handling with every file type into its OS it would be bloated to a rediculous degree. Of course...since its easier to get a more powerful PC for less money...it can run more of those aps faster. I haven't had trouble in terms of security on any of my PC's for years, nor is it a chore to maintain. I guess program or OS updates are a real pain for you too? Even if downloaded and automatically updated at 3am when you're asleep?
I find PC's more of a pleasure to use simply because I can use the software that I actually want to use, vs. being pigeonholed to a much smaller selection. That and the point that I have more than one button on my mouse and an OS that uses it. Simple isn't always a good thing.
[citation][nom]Daeros[/nom]Third, will people ever stop comparing the Mac Pro to a $1k HP or Dell. It is not the same type of machine. It bugs me that even professional reporters can't get technical details right. Try telling someone who runs mission-critical VM servers that FB-DIMMs aren't important. Or that having a 2S system isn't more efficient than two separate ones. Or that Your HP, with its one PCIe x16 slot is comparable to the Pro's 4. Go ahead, but can I watch? [/citation]
You seem to miss the point. With a PC...if you actually need all that. You can configure for it, and still slide under the cost of a mac. If you only need specific aspects, you can configure for that instead and come in well and away better for the money. Crazier still with a PC you can upgrade down the road to a wide array of hardware.
Part of it boils down to insecurities, mac users spend often 2x as much for the same hardware with a pretty apple on it. Many of them are pretty clueless about computers in general and are probably better off with a mac, which limits choices and options creating a more uniform and simple environment. It makes things less intimidating, you don't have to learn or know as much to feel that you understand it pretty well. That leaves people feeling pretty good about themselves. And feeling good about yourself is worth quite a lot.
But a lot of them seem to take it the extra step with apple marketing's help of claiming how elegant and wonderful apple products are. I'm sorry but you just paid 2x for the same hardware wrapped in a cheap white plastic shell instead of a cheap black plastic shell...I'm going to think you're an idiot if you brag to me how much "better apple is vs. all those other cheapo PC's".
Apple DOES make some great innovative products. The ipod paved the way for excellent media players. I think the sansa's blow the doors off them now and at a MUCH better price, but I also think the sandisk sansa's wouldn't be what they are without apple leading the way first.
The iphone is doing the same for phones. Sure there are a lot of things I'm not to keen on with the iphone but it helps push boundaries for those that can afford them. Competition and innovation is good. And as long as someone else is willing to pay for it...so much the better. 😉
That and some people really like apple's style. I don't but to each their own.
So yeah...if you're talking about apple you are talking looks, brand, and simple to use. Saying the apple has magical hardware that pc's don't have (mission critical VM-servers) is absolutly silly.
The counter argument is you pay a price premium, and you do. The looks, brand name, and limited options in both use and software are either worth it to you or not.
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