Best Buy ''Optimization'' A Waste of Money

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^Par far the course with BB.

You can occasionally find a fair price on a TV or console or certain piece of media.

However, caveat emptor. Such a high percentage of their products and services are INSANELY overpriced that one must truely be a soulless husk of a human being to even entertain working for that corporate monstrosity.

See also:
http://www.ihatebestbuy.com/index.html
 
[citation][nom]millalyte[/nom]...and then tell me that people paid $12-14 an hour are charging too much to un-box the customer's computer, update it, remove the crap, reduce start up processes and apply their tweaks so all they have to do is hit the power button.[/citation]
Sorry but when you defend a company that is ripping-up people's pockets then you should be brought down with them. First off, you make it sound like you are serious about your job and defend your title so...congrats? Second, BB is taking advantage of people's ignorance and laziness to read the manual for do things for themselves. For instance, the advertising price of a "On-Site Computer Setup & Data Backup or Transfer" is $220. Though you install ONE application...that is a SPOON-FED setup of just clicking the NEXT button to completion. Install ONE external device...which MANY devices today are plug&play. You plug in color-coordinated cables to their PC for them...WOW! Configure the customers wires with THEIR cable ties...and in the fine-print..."File transfer includes up to 9.4GB of data; larger amounts of data can be accommodated for an additional charge. Applications cannot be transferred."...What fucking good are you then? Vista and Windows 7 fresh install alone is 20GB+ so your 220 bucks just went up greatly. What a fucking joke BB is!...and they pay YOU and these people $12-14/hr?...wow that's pretty good for being able to be spoon-fed for them in doing this work...

...and this "optimization" of a new computer is a fucking joke as well. Nobody's computer NEEDS to be optimized when it is new! Yes, you could disable/uninstall McAfee and Norton that would surely allow more resources...but it won't hurt the customer. Initial setup of windows is a SPOON-FEED...reduce start-up processes? Fucking please dude! All I have to do is 1-3 that typically are just for allowing Adobe and Creative to boot up faster. Anybody with BRAINS is over qualified to be in the Geek-Squad!
 
Worked there, in the "geek" squad and yes it is generally a rip off to consumers. Back in teh day of windows xp those optimization would actually be useful, but todays "optimizations" are already done from teh factory. Best buy carees about one thing, free money (aka a service plan or PSP). Do yourself a favor and shop online. Best Buy's music collection sucks these days anyways. Its like shopping on radio stations.
 
From my experiance with working in the Geek Squad; the biggest problem with the service is the sales reps and even Geek Squad agents are not on the same page. You asked three different geek squad agents either what an optimization is, or what they do exactly during it, I'd say there's a 80% chance all of them will say something different. Optimizations with new PC purchases I would say are not worth the $40 price tag; however, an optimization with an older computer that has slowed down a lot from bloatware that has built up over time is at times worth the price tag. However; again, how each agent handles this optimization will very from one person to the next. I no longer work in the Geek Squad. I do thing that protection plans that are offered through them are really good services, especially on laptops; however, I have seen them rip some people off really bad and that I why I graudually did not enjoy working there anymore.
 
I used to work for the Geek Squad. I've always said that optimizations should be free or cheaper. It's almost like stealing. I think if Geek Squad done the optimizations for like 5$ (It's actual value) or even free that they would see more business and repeat shoppers. All they do is get rid of pre-loaded software, update, and do the MSConfig thing through an automated software which all you do is follow the steps.
 
Having worked for BB, $40 isn't bad. Not everybody wants to (or knows how) to get rid of that JUNK that comes on PCs. Its not worth it for a used computer (better off formatting IMO). To have it done BEFORE the customer even buys it is convenient. The only downside is that what gets removed from the PC is entirely up to the discretion of the Agent doing the optimization.
 
First, you can't increase clock speed on store computers. Second, the only kind of optimization they could possibly do to those computers is take all the best buy shit off the computer. Reviving incomplete computers... please, minimum wage employees have no clue how to remove an infected hard drive, and clean it in a protected rig - they actually turn the computer on, and try to fix it from there... To jh77573: The BB guys are going to give you an answer based on their own knowledge. Nobody will actually go - this optimization doesn't really do much. Nobody will repeat BB's definition of the "optimization" service, but will rather give something like that combined with their own knowledge to sell the package. People are morons and dishonest.
 
Wow. That is all that I can say after reading all of this. My reaction has nothing to do with the content of this story, but the reactions posted. I will make this point first; I worked for CompUSA a long time ago. I sold many a laptop/desktop to people who had little to no clue how to use them. I gave them every bit of pertinent information they needed to make an educated decision about the product they were buying. I never once pushed any of the "plans" that were forced down our throats every morning. I never came close to insisting that the computer they were buying was in some way "defunct" and needed to be seen by our service staff before leaving the store. I NEVER made false claims about the product I was selling. I only worked there for 90 days because of the way the business was ran. I was once told to "Rake the customer over for as much as possible. We don't have to worry about returning customers". BUYER BEWARE!

Ignorance is Bliss:

The average consumer who walks through the door of BB is going to rely on the help of the associates to find/select/purchase a particular product. The likelihood that any associate would be working there with sufficient knowledge to educate a consumer to the point of being able to make educated buying decisions is very little. Most of the time, they will be greeted by some associate looking to improve their numbers for the week. Not saying that this is in any way a bad thing, you are there to do a job and that job is sales. The problem lies when the associate does. The associate might be giving false information as directed by the corporation, false information provided by a friend/acquaintance, or just false information. Please, don’t even try to tell me that the shit you pull is honest in any way. You may justify that you do it to get a paycheck, but don’t defend your actions with ignorance. Sometimes, the consumer may have enough knowledge to put the associate in their place. For the most part, those consumers don’t shop at BB. You explain that your company is gracious enough to provide them with a service for a fee that will increase the potential of their anticipated transaction. WTF? Man up and tell them the truth. Tell them that every major manufacture bloats their products with crap to try to make more money. Tell them that your company is capitalizing on it by providing the service. Did you lie? No, but I guarantee you that some consumers will still get the service. They were educated, they made their choice. You did your job with some dignity.
IT is the final frontier for the “door to door salesman”. More people are ripped off in this industry than any other and that includes the people behind the counters. How many of you hold a degree in computer science/networking/certification? Did it teach you anything? I have dealt with people who have an assoc/bachelors degree in CS who could barely install a HD. Wasn’t in their coursework was what I was told. This is crap and you all know it. I will put my experience against any of you pimple faced geeks any time. Don’t bother stepping up to the plate until you have some real experience. If you can’t look someone in the eye, tell them the truth about what they are buying or the service you provide, find some other industry to pollute. There isn’t anything about the process you talk about I couldn’t train my 7 year old to do for fun. Take pride in knowing you do the work of a 2nd grader every day and get $14/hr for it.
 
[citation][nom]decepticon[/nom]C'mon...Counter Intelligence Agent?!!?! Are they serious?[/citation]

Dude, don't get worked up over nothing. They're called Counter Intelligence Agents because they work at the front counter. Its kind of humorous if you ask me.
 
Charon is spot on. I particularly love getting kicked out of Radio Shack or BB because I mention monoprice. Or telling a customer which hard drive to buy because the geek is holding an obvious sata laptop drive still in it's Dell cage and holding an ide drive saying "I think this is what you need," even better that he asked "what brand and model laptop did this come out of?" Never met a smart geek, never will, Charon is probably the only intelligent person to ever work at any big box electronics shop. None of you other geeks have said anything intelligent.
 
[citation][nom]charon[/nom]Wow. That is all that I can say after reading all of this. My reaction has nothing to do with the content of this story, but the reactions posted. I will make this point first; I worked for CompUSA a long time ago. I sold many a laptop/desktop to people who had little to no clue how to use them. I gave them every bit of pertinent information they needed to make an educated decision about the product they were buying. I never once pushed any of the "plans" that were forced down our throats every morning. I never came close to insisting that the computer they were buying was in some way "defunct" and needed to be seen by our service staff before leaving the store. I NEVER made false claims about the product I was selling. I only worked there for 90 days because of the way the business was ran. I was once told to "Rake the customer over for as much as possible. We don't have to worry about returning customers". BUYER BEWARE!Ignorance is Bliss:The average consumer who walks through the door of BB is going to rely on the help of the associates to find/select/purchase a particular product. The likelihood that any associate would be working there with sufficient knowledge to educate a consumer to the point of being able to make educated buying decisions is very little. Most of the time, they will be greeted by some associate looking to improve their numbers for the week. Not saying that this is in any way a bad thing, you are there to do a job and that job is sales. The problem lies when the associate does. The associate might be giving false information as directed by the corporation, false information provided by a friend/acquaintance, or just false information. Please, don’t even try to tell me that the shit you pull is honest in any way. You may justify that you do it to get a paycheck, but don’t defend your actions with ignorance. Sometimes, the consumer may have enough knowledge to put the associate in their place. For the most part, those consumers don’t shop at BB. You explain that your company is gracious enough to provide them with a service for a fee that will increase the potential of their anticipated transaction. WTF? Man up and tell them the truth. Tell them that every major manufacture bloats their products with crap to try to make more money. Tell them that your company is capitalizing on it by providing the service. Did you lie? No, but I guarantee you that some consumers will still get the service. They were educated, they made their choice. You did your job with some dignity. IT is the final frontier for the “door to door salesman”. More people are ripped off in this industry than any other and that includes the people behind the counters. How many of you hold a degree in computer science/networking/certification? Did it teach you anything? I have dealt with people who have an assoc/bachelors degree in CS who could barely install a HD. Wasn’t in their coursework was what I was told. This is crap and you all know it. I will put my experience against any of you pimple faced geeks any time. Don’t bother stepping up to the plate until you have some real experience. If you can’t look someone in the eye, tell them the truth about what they are buying or the service you provide, find some other industry to pollute. There isn’t anything about the process you talk about I couldn’t train my 7 year old to do for fun. Take pride in knowing you do the work of a 2nd grader every day and get $14/hr for it.[/citation]

When I sold comptuers at BB (up until last month) I always told people that optimization service was to remove the JUNK that was installed by the manufacturers. It saves them time (especially if its a pre-setup), and the customer now has a less junked up computer. And we made more money. everyone happy.

Some of my associates did give false information, willingly and accidentally. I've given false info (accidentally of course) based on what I was told. When I realized I was wrong, I admitted it to a customer. I earned their trust, and they came back asking for ME multiple times because I was upfront and honest. So, BB fired me. Go figure.
 
Why get an optimized computer?

That question is a simple one for many of you. For lots of people, it's not hard to set up your own computer. You should be able to get booted up and online within half an hour on most new machines. You can make recovery discs for windows in about an hour and a half, and install anti virus in about 5 minutes.

The fee for the full setup is 99 dollars. The optimization is 39, as noted here.

That includes six months of free antivirus with any new PC purchase.

If it seems strange to you that someone would pay to have their computer set up, consider that most of our customers are people who fall into one of two groups;

Folks Who Haven't Used a Computer

Many people don't have much experience. The majority of our customers hope they can press a
button and get on facebook, send email to their grandkids, or download some free, virus ridden mp3 files. These people often have problems understanding how to correctly install software and get confused by the pop ups they get from every program on their machine, and they often lack the willingness to do any kind of research to figure it out on their own. They like being helped to understand the basic use of their machine.

These are some of our best customers. Many of them won't see this site (that's a bit out of the comfort zone) so they can't attest to it, but some people actually really find it useful.

These customers are often the most grateful we're there to help. I love getting someone taken care of so even if they don't know much, I've explained how to get their email and set their homepage to direct there so they have an easy time of it. I don't have an hour to spend with them, but I'll send them out with a "7 for dummies" book, and hope I don't have to take a phone call from them twenty minutes later to help them figure out how to plug in the power cord.

People Who Make Too Much $ An Hour To Spend Two Hours Setting Up a New Unit

Business customers may have dedicated IT departments, but more and more often they rely on independant contractors that aren't readily available. If they have four notebooks they need office on and a corporate AV program along with upgrades to the 7 Pro software, I can make that happen. It's not economical for many of these people to spend their own time working on it when they should be spending their time looking at yachts to buy or new supercars to test drive.

Some machines don't benefit as much from the optimization. Asus have very little bloatware. HP, or Gateway, on the other hand...So there are updates and we remove trialware. The tweaks probably have a very minimial benefit, but some machines do see a marked decrease in start up and shut down time from having these programs disabled.

That might seem strange, and I understand that. At my store, we will also install a music program such as iTunes, a web browser, and personalize the machine with a name or email account.

The pre-optimization percentage is set by our corporate offices to offer a convenience to customers who don't want to wait the two or three hours to have the unit set up. If that time estimate seems unreasonable to you, consider the fact that one person is charged with setting up seven or eight units while taking questions from people at the counter, as well as inspecting returns on everything from tv's to mp3 players and taking phone calls.

They shouldn't be setting up more than 40% of their units with this service. There have been several official releases mandating that we are strictly forbidden from hard bundles, and we frequently penny out the service if it's not something the client expresses an interest in. It's not some overarching conspiracy.

We get five to six returns on laptops a day. Many of these are units clients took home and tried to set up themselves, only to install another antivirus without removing the trial, which in some cases locks down their system, or shutting it off (or more likely, shutting the lid and carrying it around, half-asleep in a bag for a few hours) during an update, corrupting the OS.

One of the people at my store built his first computer in 1974 and spent 20 years he can't talk about working special projects in the navy. He works at my store as a hobby to kill some time and get a discount, along with a little time away from the wife.

The rest of my team is made of college students pursuing technology degrees. One of my co-workers is studying engineering and planning on working for nVidia. Some of us specialize in networking.

My specialty is recording technology and gaming.

The reason I mention all this is that we will match our talents to a particular person's needs. It's about going above and beyond. If someone brings in an older computer for an upgrade on his graphics card, I will optimize his computer. There's more to it than msconfig and updates. One of our tools is a bootable disc that can clean temporary files outside of windows and then defragment the drive down to under 1%. I've seen jumps in performance in the form of reduced load times by 30% or more on a particularly neglected machine. Of course, I'll go out of my way to go above the "scope of work" so when the customer gets home he's taken care of.

We're understaffed, and work 11 hours shifts without breaks to try and make deadlines. We stay late to try and get your computer back up and running.

We each have an impossible amount of work we're expected to complete each day. Each person in my department has around 100 interactions with customers a day, and ends up being responsible for about ten computers in an eight hour shift.

I'm a little tired of reading how everyone on here acts like we're idiots. I get hot shots who come into the store to try and impress me by trying to "talk shop" and try and see if I know what I'm talking about. It's not impressive. I don't pretend to know everything. It's not cool to strut around to talk down to the local guy. It's not his fault your torrent program got past the antivirus you got for free online, again.

Some of our seasonal staff isn't that familiar with policies. Some of them aren't good salespeople. The truth is that people who know enough about computers to really know what they are talking about won't work for 9 dollars an hour, and consumers won't pay IT people 25 an hour to stand there and field questions.

Some responsibility has to fall back on people to do their own research. At least have a basic amount of literacy, and if you don't, hopefully one of the sales team will be able to get them led down the right path.

The quality of your experience obviously ties down to the dedication of the staff at each location.

Our store is peerless. I can't count the number of things that I've seen that won't end up on here that have changed people's lives because I was able to get them taken care of. Maybe I let things slide into a grey area of policy once in a while. My managers support my decisions to get my customers out the door with faith in our company and our location.

I believe that money isn't as important as the relationship I have with my clients. They can buy a computer anywhere. I hope that because of my hard work, they will choose to come back to my store to have us take care of them again, and trust me to work on their relative's machines as well.

Also, I care enough to write a response longer than the original article on my own time at two in the morning instead to going to sleep for my shift, which starts in seven hours.
 
Blackout88, nice response, now if only there were many more of you that were ethical and truthful with the customers, everyone but complete noobs would start to like, or at least appreciate BB. But I don't see that ever happening. Keep up the good work and I'll at least know there is one good (relatively) BB in the world.
 
my two thoughts on this are as follows. firstly no one is making you pay for these services and everyone is completely capable of doing research. those who don't usually get screwed. second is that when this service is preformed correctly it is a good deal. unfortunately i would be willing to bet the pcs that were optimized for the Consumer Reports were not properly done. this happens all too often but this comes down to the hiring process and in most cases they are hiring lazy sales men who do not know the value of what they are doing not techs.
 
I was going though Geek Squad to purchase Gateway FX series laptop a little over a year ago. One of the guys tried to talk me into getting the $40 optimization which I declined. Told him I can do that myself.

As for the rest of the story, it goes like this. I have good credit and was approved for a BB card but some mistake on the part of an employee with my credit app ruined my chances to "buy" and take the laptop home that day. She put the wrong number in on something in my app and I stood around for over an hour waiting for them to fix it over the phone, which didn't happen. She asked me to come back the next day top pick it up and everything should be fixed then because it needed time to "process". I walked out and didn't return.

Picked up a 40" LCD TV recently on that card when they had that 3 years no interest deal though.
 
I work at Best Buy in the Geek squad and i have no defense for all of these claims. The optimization is something i did not feel actually helped anyone's pc. Since I read this article i have secretly started to run benchmarks on the computers before they are optimized, and then again after the optimization (and a restart before of course). The results are in decent spread across the board.

I will not release the results until i have tried to bring this to the attention of "corporate". I have already tried talking to all the managers, including the store manager. Their response is typical. "Did you show anyone these results?", "no", "good, don't, it could hurt our reputation and business, whatever you do continue to push on selling the services we offer". Needless to say i am really upset about it, and if nothing is done by "corporate", i will quit, then leak the results of the benchmark of every computer we carry in store, before and after optimization all across the web. Stay tuned.
 
And just to quick clear some things up on the GS optimization.
1. It gets rid of desktop icons
2. It runs updates for windows
3. It has an remove programs menu (never used)
4. It allows you to stop startup programs.
5. It finally runs through "Registry tweaks" (it moves to fast to catch what it does to the registry but i am looking into it, and you all should too)

Many of the managers and salesmen claim that the speed improvement is about 27%. From the benchmarks i have seen thus far, only 1 out of the 5 tested has shown a speed increase of 15% (the highest hike in performance tested thus far)


As for everyone smacking down the Geek Squad and their "lack of computer knowledge", i hope that you realize there are many best buys with quite a few geeksquads around this country. Some of them are worse than others. The one i work at has some pretty intelligent people. The one guy worked for a company designing the chips for network cards before getting laid off thanks to the economy. The other guy has a degree in computer networking, plus a handful of certifications. My manager has been at Geek Squad for 6 years and knows his stuff inside and out. I am currently in the process of completing a 2 year transfer-out program for Engineering, and have been working with computers for 7 years now. Just remember, not all of the geek squads are created equal.
 
Hi, I'm a reporter writing an article on Best Buy Optimization. If you've had an experience with this, either good or bad, I would really like to speak with you ASAP. Please email me at sgabekahn@gmail.com.

Thanks,

Gabe Kahn
 
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