[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Excellent use of ad hominem, yet again, my delusional friend. Misuse of tags is clearly a sign of unintelligence. [/citation]
For all future references of ‘ad hominem’ – I say you bring it on yourself. Misuse of tags IS clearly a sign of unintelligence. And clearly arguments from less intelligent people hold less water. More relevantly, your factually incorrect claims such as not being able to use flash on the iPhone, have simply been disproved, which makes you look stupid.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Claim whatever you want, we all know the real meaning is in the subtext. Your excessively long winded replies clearly show your beliefs. Stating otherwise isn't going to convince anybody. . [/citation]
This is your defence for confusing ‘take an interest’ with ‘obsession’? And you accuse me of ‘straw man’ arguments? LOL. I am very precise and very careful with everything I write. If I mean obsession, I say obsession. If I say ‘take an interest’, I mean precisely that. You’re incorrectly inferring opinions into my text and then arguing with said inference. Try focusing on what is actually stated.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]You didn't dispute any of them. [/citation]
Yes, OK. So I agreed with you that it is impossible to use flash on an iPhone, and didn’t disprove it at all. (That was sarcasm, by the way)
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]You went on to claim a number of highly pretentious things, like the only reason not to buy an iPhone was that you're broke or hate Apple, paraphrasing of course[/citation]
‘Paraphrasing’ – you mean ‘Straw man’? LOL. What I actually said was:
[citation][nom]willard[/nom] There is not a single useful thing which can't be done with an iPhone that you can do with a typical Android phone, it's only for people who have some kind of money issues or some need to try and find an alternative to the popular (common sense) purchase. Or, for people who are so insecure they define themselves on being 'techy' and mistake ease-of-use with lack of capability[/citation]
Again, as I stated, everything I say is either clearly a fact, or clearly an opinion. This is obviously my opinion. I based it on a logical premise too. I stand by the assertion that there is nothing useful which can be done on Android but not on iOS. Therefore, the only logical reason, in my opinion, to choose Android over iOS, is to save money, OR to find an alternative to the popular purchase, or people who misunderstand what can be achieved on iOS (the category I place you in). Note the use of the word ‘or’, so I am not saying that all of the reasons apply in every case, simply that in the vast majority of cases, one of those 3 factors is found.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Oh, and what illogical conclusions? The conclusion that I prefer Android is illogical? [/citation]
When you justify it based on false things, yes, that’s exactly what it is. Again, lets journey back to the bra example, because that seems to have escaped you. I don’t care if you like to wear bras. You can come on this forum and tell people you like to wear bras all you like (and it will be completely irrelevant, and nobody will care – because any random people can believe any stupid things). But if you try to justify wearing a bra based on the ‘fact’ it covers up more of your body than a t-shirt, people will correct you. They don’t care what you like to do, they just care about logic. Now do you see? Furthermore, when you state things like ‘Can you turn your 4S into a 4G hotspot with a single touch?’ – you are either asking ME, or asking if a ‘general person’ can turn their phone into a 4G hotspot. You then later claim it’s all about YOU, and only you. Not only does this make all of your arguments completely irrelevant (since the world doesn’t consist of just you), it also means all of your arguments need to be reworded so as to not contradict yourself. You should have stated ‘I’ can do X, or ‘I’ can do Y. When you generalise with ‘you’ you imply that everybody can. As a result, all the ‘majority’ (and therefore more relevant) arguments I made successfully refuted your ‘you’ questions, disproving them. Therefore any accusation of irrelevance is invalid.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Because that's all I've been saying, that I have a preference that is not yours. I'm not saying one platform is better than any other. [/citation]
I have said this, what, must be, 15 times now? It’s simply mind-boggling that you haven’t grasped it yet. I am not disputing your opinions. Opinions are subjective, can be completely without foundation and apply only to one individual. Your opinion has never been described as wrong, the justification has. You need to read that a few times and try to understand it, because your whole rant is completely covered by that one fact.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom] I said I personally prefer one over the other, and you flip out with a couple walls of text trying to "educate" me. [/citation]
You didn’t just say you preferred one over the other. You said you preferred one over the other because ‘you’ (said from your perspective) can do X, Y and Z on it which you can’t on iOS. And that second part is what was incorrect, illogical, and disproved. If you had simply stated you prefer Android, the world would have said a collective ‘so what’? If you reduce your argument to just that you reduce it to a complete irrelevance. Anybody can say they prefer anything, in the world, ever. They can claim they believe they live on the moon. What they believe can be stupid, illogical, and it’s therefore irrelevant. What IS relevant, however, is the facts which lead people to that conclusion. Those are the facts I discuss, and the facts which you incorrectly stats.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom] Oh the irony! You've basically been arguing this entire time that my opinion is wrong, I'm simply stating that I have an opinion. So apparently your opinion is that I'm not allowed to have an opinion? [/citation]
Again, you completely, absolutely, fail to understand the point I’ve made…. Now 16 times? Your OPINION is not relevant to anyone else. FACTS are. Your misrepresentation of FACTS is what led to me educating you, and to concluding that you are stupid. Not your opinion.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Irony meter just exploded. Go check your walls of text posted long before mine. You've probably typed close to five times as much as I have. But please, go on and call me out for a single long winded post when you're on your third. [/citation]
You miss the point (shocking). I don’t criticise people for writing long walls of text. I love a long debate, I often force people to do this because I love exposing lack of logic and prolonged discussion thereof (check various other threads). What I do criticise, however, is hypocrisy. You criticised me for writing a long wall of text, then do it yourself. That is hypocrisy. I, on the other hand, would never be so illogical to criticise something someone else does and then do it myself. What I did criticise was the hypocrisy. Please learn
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]when you say shit like the only reason to buy and Android phone is because you can't afford an iPhone, your real views are patently obvious. [/citation]
Again, to clarify, I provided 3 separate options of reasons why I believe most people buy Androids over IOS, ONE of which was cost. And I stand by that opinion. I never, in any way, shape or form, said that this was the ONLY reason. So that’s you with your ‘straw man’ argument (lol) again. I think it’s obvious that I believe that the iPhone 4S is currently the best phone, for all of the reasons I provided. I also believe that there’s nothing practical you can do on Android which you can’t on iPhone. I also believe that there are several practical things you CAN do on iPhone but not on Android. I don’t think I need to deny having that logically derived opinion?
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Might want to check how many times you've been rated down and me rated up. [/citation]
Are you really resorting to this? My -1 rating (one person) really makes you feel like that means logic doesn’t matter? I think that is the most pathetic sentence you’ve written. And that says a lot.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]I'm not saying my opinion is relevant to anyone. I'm saying it's relevant to me, and your need to berate me, or anyone, until I see the light of the iPhone is asinine. [/citation]
I’m glad we’re agreed that your opinion isn’t relevant to anyone except you. Which therefore means that your posts aren’t relevant to anyone except you. Which makes the fact you post it on an online forum completely illogical. See, my posts are intended to be more relevant, that’s why I take into account the majority positions, such as the fact that the majority of people can actually achieve better download speeds using iPhone than Android. That is relevant, you see. Because one person is a statistically meaningless metric, and because one opinion can be completely illogical. To reiterate (time number 17?), your opinion is not being disputed. Your reasoning is. You can prefer bras all you like, but you can’t like bras because they cover up more of your body than a t-shirt. Do you get it yet?
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]it would have been if you didn't feel the need to attack anyone who says they prefer something other than your precious[/citation]
The guy flinging swear words and insults around accuses me of attacking him? I simply rebutted your logical failings. If you feel attacked that’s your own insecurity/inferiority complex. Any accusation of you being stupid is based logically on the errors made in your posts, not just unsubstantiated tears like ‘prick’ or ‘stereotypes’.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom] That's you implying that my reasons for preferring Android are invalid, and by extension an implication that my opinion is wrong. [/citation]
Time 18? No ‘opinion’ can ever be wrong. They can be illogical, irrational, but never proven wrong. Your opinion isn’t being disputed, your reasoning is. When one of your reasons is that you can’t use flash on an iPhone, the fact that you CAN use flash on an iPhone, makes it invalid, incorrect, stupid, take any of the above. And that is what is being explained to you.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]That's you saying that your needs are universal and nobody want something you don't (like swapping the kernel). [/citation]
I don’t believe I ever stated that my needs are ‘universal’ – so that is a ‘straw man’ argument (lol). What I did state is that the majority of peoples needs are met by IOS, in my opinion. Furthermore, I cited the bloatware on Android, and that fewer people feel the need to jailbreak it and install new ‘kernels’. I didn’t yet mention the fact you can, indeed, jailbreak the iPhone and install anything you want on it, because that generally isn’t required for people who have iPhones – they tend to be completely satisfied by the operating system. Again, the problem here is that you are mistaking your personal views with any relevance whatsoever, wheras I am talking about people in general (and therefore relevant content).
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]And again by extension, that my desire to have that level of control is unnecessary and that any opinion based on that desire is again wrong. Strike two. [/citation]
Again, the question is not one of your desires. You can desire a phone which breaks in half when you breathe on it, if you want. It wont change the objective or majority view of what is required. Again, relevance, my dear. Changing the kernel is not a practical use. It is only necessary if there is something lacking or wrong with original implementation, and any other kernel you add may also have weaknesses – as you so eloquently put it – more choice does not mean better choice. Furthermore, as I already stated, replacing a kernel is not a practical use anyway – it serves no purpose on its own. It is only practical if it provides OTHER practical uses, which would be the relevant item to discuss. The act of replacing the kernel on its own is not the aim. You should focus on what it achieves, not on the fact you can do it (which again as I’ve explained you can do on iOS anyway).
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Marginalizing a feature not available by using a straw man argument. I never said to dial down the power to an unusable level. In fact, I've been very clear about what I said, but you have misrepresented what I said at literally every opportunity. [/citation]
Well this is simply untrue. You claim that having an app which increases battery life has no effect whatsoever on performance. This could only be possible if the design of Android to begin with was inefficient. If not, why wouldn’t it be built in all along? And my perfectly logical and nothing even closely resembling a ‘straw man’ argument was simply that this feature is automatically already in place on the iPhone 4S (and any good phone, actually). You’re saying you need to install an app to do something, and claiming that’s a feature, I’m educating you to the fact that it already happens by default on iOS. Again, an example of your opinion being based on factually incorrect premises. That is a common theme.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Strike three.Stating that the features missing from iPhone are not useful, and again by extension, the desire for those features irrelevant...you get the gist. [/citation]
Sorry, am I not allowed to believe that ‘widgets’ on their own are not a practical use? Is that a ‘wrong opinion’? I also believe that it’s a commonly held opinion – widgets are only useful if they enable to do something practical or useful you otherwise couldn’t, and my whole point is that they don’t. It’s obvious, and logical, and clearly my opinion. I’m still waiting for an example of a useful thing which you can do with Android and not with iOS? I’ve provided 10+ examples of the reverse, you’re struggling with ‘widgets’ and a bunch of claims which are simply not true (either for every person or the majority of people).
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]you think being open source protects you from copyright infringement is cute. Strike five.[/citation]
See, sentences like this are what make me wonder why I even try to educate people like you with such a failed grasp of the world. Let’s start off by clarifying (and you may call this an error on my part), that I was referring to the copyright of an invention, of more specifically, patents (which arguably should have been the word I used). Now, here beginneth the lesson: Patents only apply when you actually IMPLEMENT something, ie, use it in some way. By releasing Android as open source, Google cleverly avoided all of the patent disputes of their own, and left it down to the manufacturers to fight that battle. As a result, the cost of licensing Android continues to soar as more and more infringed patents are exposed, and Google has no responsibility to fight any of these claims – it’s a cost borne by the manufacturer (and in turn, the consumer). That is why they released Android as open source. Indeed, the cost of licensing Android is now believed to have risen to $60 per device, or more.
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[citation][nom]willard[/nom]I think I've pretty well established that you're waging a personal campaign against Android and have stated on numerous occasions that the only logical preference is for iPhone, and thus differing opinions are incorrect. .[/citation]
Lets journey to repeat explanation number 19? Your opinion is irrelevant. Your justification is. Your justification is wrong. That is part 1, a factual disproval of the reasons you gave. The second part if my personal opinion that people who do buy Androids tend to do so either because of money issues, not realising what you can do with iOS (as you demonstrate perfectly), or just flat out bias and irrational hatred for Apple (which again you demonstrate perfectly). Both are perfectly valid, the first is a factual education, the second is my view of the motivations for people buying Android. It is not a ‘campaign’ against Android, I am perfectly open to buying Android devices, should they offer me something practical that the iPhones can’t I would have no issue buying. As I already stated, I was considering the nexus prime until the hardware turned out to be 2 years old. You mistake a logically derived conclusion (and make sure you note the words ‘logically derived’) that the iOS can do everything practical that Android can, but Android cannot do everything practical that iOS can, with a campaign? That is the definition of straw-man argument, and completely illogical. The difference between us, is, my opinion is justified by a) Correct statements (not false claims like saying you can’t use flash), and b) Statements which apply to more than just myself (that way they are relevant). You fail to satisfy both criterion.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Anger? I'm just pointing out how much of a tool you are. I fail to see where you're getting a sense of anger. Calling you a pretentious bastard is a statement of fact, and despite what you've decided, I'm not remotely angry. .[/citation]
LOL.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]You just stated that you think it's okay to be a smug asshole as long as you're right. .[/citation]
Did I? I don’t believe I’ve used the word smug at all, see I don’t deal with things which can’t be evidenced. I simply stated that I’m being condescending because your failure to grasp the reality of the situation leads me to believe that you need it to be simplified. Again, factual premise, logically derived conclusion. Common theme, you see?
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Isn't it kind of the calling card of smug assholes to always think they're right, and thus you've rationalized always acting like a smug asshole? [/citation]
My rationalisation for educating you is mainly fun, and secondly to clarify the misconceptions and false delusional justifications people turn to when trying to defend a biased purchase. Again, nice to see you’re not angry, and ‘smug’ is purely your own inferiority complex surfacing again. Top tip for you – it’s really easy to always be right – simply don’t say things unless they are true. Using flash on the iPhone is a good example.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Ahh yes, because you deny it then it must not be true! You can't shout this down, your true feelings are patently obvious[/citation]
My true feelings are clearly that iOS is currently superior to Android (When taking available hardware into account). That doesn’t make me an irrational fanboy, I’ve given you 10+ reasons why, benefits which are exclusively on iOS, all of which are TRUE. That’s just a logical deduction. An irrational fanboy approach would be to start off with the premise of preferring iOS, and then desperately try to justify it. That is your approach (but with Android), and is why the reasons you give are simply not true.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Anti-apple fanboy? Methinks you're not quite right on the definition of a fanboy. Fanboys have an irrational love for something. Stating that I hate Apple (a company, not any of their products) does not make me an Android fanboy. [/citation]
This is another simply incorrect conclusion reached using an invalid premise. Firstly, fanboys don’t have to be irrational. Now who doesn’t know the ‘definition’ of fanboy? Secondly, liking, or having enthusiasm for something (the actual definition of a fanboy) CAN clearly be driven by ‘hating Apple about as much as any guy could’. If you hate Apple as ‘much as any guy could’, clearly you would have enthusiasm for competing products because their success would be to the detriment of Apple. Basic, logical deduction, which again proves you wrong. Are you seeing the pattern yet?
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]I actually like the iPhone a lot, as evidenced by my buying two of them. I just like Android more. I'm not a fanboy of anything, I just think Apple has some seriously sleazy business practices, like trying to criminalize their users for modifying devices that they own and resorting to patent trolling when Android overtook them in market share. [/citation]
‘Patent trolling’ is again an unsubstantiated opinion masquerading as a fact, dripping with bias. The only reason Apple was able to bring any cases to court and get devices banned was because Samsung (as an example) blatantly ripped off their whole product line. If there was no copyright, no patent infringement (not even an arguable case), no cases could ever have achieved even a preliminary injunction. Who is guilty in a case of patent infringement? The company who infringes, or the company who protects their intellectual rights? As for ‘criminalizing users for modifying devices’ this is again a gross exaggeration, and misses the point. Modified devices simply leads to the illegal practises like the ones you practise, such as tethering without having approval of your network provider, or downloading apps for free. Apple is actually showing more responsibility and honesty and fairness to the network providers by ensuring that this immoral and contract-breaching tethering doesn’t take place. I don’t have an issue with that. It’s very good that you realise the iPhones are excellent though, that doesn’t contradict anything I’ve said.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom] I didn't say the iPhone couldn't tether. I'm saying that its connection quality is strictly inferior. . [/citation]
That isn’t what you said, actually. You simply referred to creating a hotspot. I asked the question, for what? I also stated that I believed your answer would be to tether, which I was correct about. Regarding the speeds, I have already proven to you that for the majority of people (notice the relevant comment being made her) the connection is NOT strictly inferior. It’s actually much faster. Again, note the failing of your comment, for not specifying that you mean purely for yourself. The implication is that the iPhone quality is GENERALLY strictly inferior. Another lack of precision on your part, failing to show just how irrelevant all of your comments are, and the exact failure to grasp simple logic which has led to you misunderstanding most of the content of this discussion.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Can your device tether to internet that's faster than most home internet? No, it can't. [/citation]
Firstly, actually, for me, yes it can. Or do you mean ‘YOUR’ as in a general person? Their answer is the same, yes it can. Now ask the same question for Android phones? The answer for the majority of people would be ‘no’, since they don’t have 4G network, but do benefit from the 14.4 HDSPA. Notice again, that you failed to say ‘I CAN’ but instead asked ‘can your’ – whether that refers to me or to people in general, both are wrong. And again, if you had said ‘Can I’ – you would have reduced your points to an irrelevance.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Widgets were just thrown in as yet another feature iOS lacks. That you think this is the crux of my argument is what's truly pathetic. [/citation]
I don’t think me stating that I can’t take widgets seriously as a ‘feature’ which has any practical or useful benefit really indicates me interpreting it as the ‘crux’ of your argument. It simply means, as I said, that it sounds pathetic, and is not a practical benefit on its own.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]I'm beginning to seriously doubt your claims of intelligence if it takes you five hours to root an Android device. [/citation]
You forgot having to remove all the bloatware, the time taken to research the ROM, to ensure it offers the features you want, has the necessary security you require, and time to test that it actually works. The actual amount of the time wasted is pretty irrelevant and arbitrary. How long it takes you, specifically, is again completely irrelevant since all my discussion is focused on relevance and therefore not just one person. The point is it’s time wasted which shouldn’t need to be wasted. The operating system the phone comes with should be good enough on its own. And you also fail to discuss the additional problem of voiding your warranty.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]The desire for choice is not an indication that the default is inferior.[/citation]
Sorry but this is absolutely incorrect. The only reason you would ever desire a choice is if said choice is superior in some way. Otherwise it would be a choice which would never be made, and therefore of no benefit. You’re claiming choice is a benefit, I’m logically stating that choice is only beneficial if the choice offers benefits, which necessarily means it has to be superior in some way. In case the final step eludes you, the superiority of one thing necessarily implies the inferiority of the other thing.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Irrelevant. Everything you do the phone doesn't have to be the end goal of having the phone. This is like saying you shouldn't download apps because you only want to use apps, not download them. .[/citation]
Wow, this is your biggest logical failing ever. When you download an app, you HAVE to download it before you can use it, therefore, as you say, it is a means to an end – the end, specifically, is being able to run the app which serves a practical purpose. You did not state that changing a kernel is a feature because of X, Y, and Z features which it brings you, you simply stated that changing a kernel is a ‘feature’ into itself. To make the kernel argument relevant at all, you would have to justify the ‘end’ to which it is a means. That ‘end’ is precisely the point which you failed to demonstrate, you simply explained what the ‘means’ is – and that is my point. You would have to explain the useful and practical features which you get and then THEY would be the feature, not changing the kernel by itself. To apply that to your app analogy, it would be like saying it’s a feature to be able to download an app with unknown capabilities and that the feature is actually the download itself rather than using the app. Furthermore, you completely fail to address the fact you can just as easily jailbreak the iPhone.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]. I don't mind a few hoops to jump through to get more freedom with my phone. .[/citation]
‘Freedom’ which helps you to achieve… what? You can jailbreak an iPhone anyway.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]But apparently it's a totally irrational desire and I'm flat out wrong for it. .[/citation]
Still not seeing any benefit. For a desire to be rational it would have to provide you with some kind of benefit. Which is the point, none of the features you described actually provide a benefit.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]I'm simply saying that I like Android. Your straw mans are getting out of hand.[/citation]
Let’s be clear, this is not all you’re saying. As the many, many examples above prove, you have not been referring to you, specifically, but more generally making claims about the features of the phone for either me, or a general person, the vast majority of which I have proven to be false (either for all or the majority of users). If all you had said was ‘I like Android’, this conversation would never have happened, because the opinion of one man is completely irrelevant to everyone else and means nothing without a proper jusitifcation. Don’t try to misrepresent what you’re claiming, and therefore misrepresent what I am disputing.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Out of curiosity, how do you explain the flagship Android phones being successful? .[/citation]
Successful? Relative to the iPhone 4S? They aren’t. If you mean why do they obtain sales? I already explained this? 1 – They are cheaper (they ARE cheaper, despite your claims to the contrary), 2 – Wanting to differentiate yourself from the majority of your friends who own iPhones, 3 – misunderstanding the features (do you believe some people are so dumb they think you can’t jailbreak a phone and can’t use flash on it), 4 – Personal taste, 5 – Larger screen on some models (some people prefer this, some dislike it), 6 – People with irrational and pathetic dislike for Apple choosing Android out of ‘principle’. Of those, only reason 5 is rational. None of which are practical features which enable you to do things the iPhone can’t.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom] Open source doesn't mean you get to infringe on copyrights. [/citation]
In the case of copyright of inventions (in other words, patents), open source DOES allow you to infringe on them. As already explained. A techie would know this, by the way. You describe it as ‘absolutely hilarious’ which is amazingly ironic given that you are absolutely incorrect (again).
[citation][nom]willard[/nom] If the iPhone were such a clear and obvious choice, it should be dominating the market no matter how many people make shitty inferior phones[/citation]
While I love the fact you prove in this sentence that having the facility to add a new kernel is irrelevant because the default kernel would dominate regardless if it was better, you also take the sentence completely out of context. Firstly, even ignoring the fact you take the sentence out of context, you are fundamentally wrong. Given 10 manufacturers who all promote their phones in various ways and to varying degrees in differing locations, and given the fact that consumers don’t all know all the facts about the phones when buying, it is NOT necessarily true that the best phone will always sell the most, or more strongly, to outsell the rest of the competition combined. Secondly, turn your question around, if the iPhone is not a clear and obvious choice, why is it the best selling phone of all time? Thirdly, put the comment back into context (an ability you seemingly lack) and you realise that I had already stated that it is more expensive, reason alone for a lot of people not to buy it. Finally, add in edge minority cases where a specific feature eg waterproof is required and the iPhone wont always fit the mould. It does, however, fit the mould for the majority of people, which is my point.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom] ranting about how terrible Android is.[/citation]
I provided several facts which I believe to be weaknesses of Android. I also provided several facts which are things iOS can do which Android can’t. I also challenged you to give an example of one thing Android can do which is useful and practical that iOS can’t. That isn’t ranting about how terrible Android is, and the fact you have to describe it like that exposes your difficulty in responding to what I ACTUALLY said.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]My point remains this, and only this. I prefer Android.[/citation]
As stated clearly above, this ISN’T your only point, and for time 20 – your opinion is not what is being disputed.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You state that anyone can prefer Android, then moments later rant for paragraph after paragraph about how that preference is wrong. [/nom]
Again, time 21, I’m not saying that the opinion is wrong. I’m saying that holding the opinion for the factually incorrect reasons you provided, is wrong. There’s a big difference. Try to understand
Furthermore, you have not been speaking about your personal situation only, but instead have been referring to ‘you’ meaning either me or people in general, which takes the conversation away from your personal views and onto the features for the population in general. Again, don’t try to claim a whole selection of things (most of which are incorrect) and then claim all you’re saying is ‘I prefer X’. If that were really all you were saying you would say that and only that.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Never said you couldn't.[/citation]
Premise 1 – We’re discussing advantages and disadvantages of iOS vs Android, now.
Premise 2 – You brought up multi tasking as an argument against iOS
Premise 3 – You then claim you never said you can’t multi-task on an iPhone
Conclusion – Therefore you lack any logical ability whatsoever and rendered your whole rant about milti-tasking completely irrelevant, and agree that it was misplaced in this conversation.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]And I'm just pointing out past examples of things that the freedom Android offers is useful for. [/citation]
Why do you have to go the past, to find an example? We’re discussing the here and now, if it’s still beneficial and useful you should have no problem finding arguments which relate to the modern day?
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]I in no way attempted to represent this as a current limitation of the device. [/citation]
Your admittance of this is precisely the goal I was seeking. When your best defence to your own points in a discussion about the limitations and features of competing operating systems is ‘I wasn’t trying to represent this as a CURRENT limitation’ – you defeat yourself.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Never said I did any of that, but guess what. Other people have. That's kind of why there are dozens of custom ROMs out there. [/citation]
Firstly – there are other ROMS out there for iPhone too. So this is a nonsense anyway. Secondly, it’s interesting that you believe people achieved the impossible and opened up the source code which was never released and edited it – talk about blind delusion? Thirdly, you miss the point regarding security and testing. Whether it was you, or any number of people who modified the source code and edited it, you’re still placing your security in the hands of software which has not been properly tested and voiding your warranty in the process. Finally – people editing the source code is only a benefit if it actually results in a FEATURE or practical use which benefits the user. And that is the point, you continue to fail to provide one.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Also, nice job calling the AOSP community pathetic. Instead of doing something worthwhile, they should clearly be spending all their time ranting about how terrible Android is and how anyone who uses it is stupid. [/citation]
This is again, complete definition of a Straw Man argument. I never in any way called a community pathetic. I called you pathetic. And my criticism of open source was solely directed at Android, and the reasons I gave were clear. Again, to remind you of the context of this discussion, we’re comparing features and capabilities of Android and iOS. You’re citing open source, as if that is a benefit on its own. I am explaining to you that it’s only a benefit if it actually results in a benefit – it is not a benefit on its own. If it was so beneficial, and given that iOS isn’t open source, you would surely have no problem giving me a practical benefit which they achieved. And the open source community would have no problems admitting that there are security and testing risks associated with any open source project – it’s obvious and logical. It’s a clear disadvantage, one which you seem to lack the capability to comprehend. The clear difference between a mobile phone open source and normal software is the level of risk and importance associated with each. Clearly a mobile phone requires much greater levels of security and reliability than a program which say, downloads torrents. Finally, you have not in any way addressed the fact that the source code for Android 3 was never even released. Since even some new devices can’t use ICS, this is still relevant today.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Yes sir, they sure are pathetic for keeping to themselves and enjoying their hobby. Pathetic as pathetic gets. You sure are so much better than all those people. So much better in fact that I bet you list "I'm better than you" on your resume, rather than "Contributed to the AOSP project and created a custom ROM," because that's so much more impressive to prospective employers. Yes sir, you win at life. Those pathetic geeks should just go kill themselves now, right? [/citation]
This is the most angry and bitter rant in your whole response. You start off with an invalid premise that I called anyone but you, pathetic, and build up a massive rant based on that. Of course, the invalid premise makes it all laughable, but it’s quite amusing watching your anger overflow in the text. I personally contribute myself to many open source projects, which makes your rant all the more laughable, but I am under no delusions as to how beneficial they are in the context of mobile phones, and specifically I am not aware of any feature on Android ROMS which is useful which the iPhone and its massive app library can’t accomplish. Furthermore, you can just as easily achieve the extra (and BENEFICIAL) feature by developing apps – a much more secure and controlled way to extend functionality without voiding warranties. To try and turn this into a discussion about CV’s couldn’t be digressing any more, really. As a consumer, I don’t care if the guy who wrote a ROM has an impressive CV. That’s not interesting or relevant for me, and it doesn’t have any bearing whatsoever on how useful the ROM is or what feature it offers.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Skipping along because holy shit your post is long (and you called me out for writing a wall of text? Lol. [/citation]
Again, failure to read. I called you out for criticising people who write long walls of text, and then do it yourself. The hypocrisy is what was being slated, not writing long posts. As I already explained, I would never be such a logical failure to criticise something and then do it myself ;-)
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Irrelevant. I do have 4G service, and I've only ever been talking about the phone I prefer. Next irrelevant argument?Not in my area. I've only failed to get a 4G signal a few times over the last year. Next?Irrelevant. The numbers I gave you are my real world performance numbers. Which are 50-100% higher than the theoretical maximum that the 4S can achieve [/citation]
We’ve already proved that this is not the case, your questions have been regarding either me or a general user, and that your personal situation is irrelevant. As has been stated all along, your personal opinion is both irrelevant, and not up for discussion. The claims you make regarding the iPhones capabilities in general are what are flawed. If you had stated ‘I personally can get better network speed with X over Y’ you would have been more accurate, but I would simply have countered by explaining that this is not the case for the majority of people, so is not an objective argument.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]all I'm saying is I prefer Android? I'm not speaking for anybody else, [/citation]
Firstly, that isn’t all you’re saying. Secondly, time, 21? I lose count – your opinion is not being discussed here. I said this in my first post, I have repeated it numerous times in countless further comments, but you still don’t grasp it. I think I am definitely justified in referring to you as stupid
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]I'm on unlimited, no cap. [/citation]
Please evidence this by specifying which network and which contract you are on. Firstly, I simply believe you are mistaken. Secondly, even if you aren’t, the vast majority of countries don’t even have an unlimited network cap. They all have contracts which masquerade as being unlimited, but all of them have ‘fair use policies’. So, again, turning the conversation into something relevant, the majority of people don’t have unlimited use, so in fact your comment is irrelevant to more people than mine was.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom] I don't care that somebody else on some other carrier in some other country might not get as good a use of it as me. I'm only speaking for me.[/citation]
So that means that a) you know what you’re saying is completely irrelevant to everyone else, b) You failed to read the 22? Times I told you that your personal opinion is not being discussed, and c) Every time you were stating what the iPhone can and can’t do, where you failed to refer specifically to yourself, you were wrong?
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Irrelevant, moving on.Downloading large apps, tethering your laptop and downloading large files. I actually downloaded the Windows 8 developer preview through my phone's internet while I was sitting in an airport. The extra speed is very, very noticeable.And I've already explained this is not my situation. Moving on.Irrelevant for a number of reasons that I've already mentioned. .[/citation]
The above response to your previous failing covers all of this, too. In an airport there is typically wifi anyway, but for the vast majority of the world population it would be faster to download this way on an iPhone. Also, of course, everyone honest knows that their carrier has a fair usage policy.
[citation][nom]willard[/nom] You are aware that the iPhone 4S isn't a DC-HSPA+ device, right? That will require a different antenna. Also, I'd like to point out when you said:I guess we were only talking about now until it was convenient for you to call up future enhancements to the network to try to diminish the advantage of LTE. .[/citation]
You miss the point. A direct comparison is made in the quote I posted of the current situation. Which makes both of your questions irrelevant. Indeed, the context of the post I quoted is a summary of the current status of network performance on the iPhone 4S. Perhaps you didn’t understand the quote?
[citation][nom]willard[/nom] Maybe take advantage of that LTE radio and try out a new custom ROM. .[/citation]
Yeah, I’m really jealous. I wish it were possible for me to listen to the radio or to waste time jailbreaking my iPhone… oh wait!!! (LOL)
[citation][nom]willard[/nom]Probably won't take five hours to do it, though. I prefer to just select it from a list on my phone, download it over my 20+ megabit connection and be up and running inside of 5 minutes while I watch TV. But I guess I'm not doing it right since it didn't take five hours.[/citation]
I guess if I was bored, lonely, and had no life, I could also use my 800mb wifi connection (which I can find pretty much everywhere I go) to download new roms from a list, and spend hours ‘trying out’ all the new amazing features it provides my phone which will be of a practical and useful benefit, because I’m obviously unhappy with the way my phone is currently. Or, if I didn’t have Wifi at home whilst watching television, because I was ridiculously poor, I could use the 14.4megabit connection and do the same, whilst watching friends with Android phones struggling to get half of that. Of course, it would also take me much less time to install the product, it would run faster, have better graphics, allow me to access more apps, have automated power management features, I could view it with a high DPI screen and enjoy taking better photos from within the device. I could use the most advanced voice activation software to control it and I could sync it all seamlessly with a fully integrated cloud facility. I would enjoy it for a much longer time off charge, and be able to play games of much higher quality than I could on an Android. I could also wirelessly stream said high quality games to the TV, and then maybe watch some HD football using the Sky Sports app which is unavailable on Android. I guess I could provide some feedback on the experience, I know people with Android mostly give less positive feedback but what do they know, hey? I’ll ignore the numerous surveys which say that a far far higher percentage of Android users want to try iOS than the reverse, and I’ll ignore the surveys which prove that on average, Android users are less well paid, younger, and less educated.
Fortunately, I do have a life so I value my time more than to waste it tweaking a phone with no tangible or useful benefit. Thank god I’m in the majority.
Final note: 1 – Anyone can have an opinion of anything. It’s completely irrelevant for that exact reason. If you resort to claiming that that is your only claim, your whole rant becomes completely irrelevant to everyone else. 2 – You STILL haven’t grasped the whole point which was that even if you DO dislike iOS, or just prefer Android, you would STILL, as a tech head, take an interest in what Apple does, which was the whole original point. And 3 – Bless
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