China to Match U.S. Oil Demand by 2040

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[citation][nom]clivene09[/nom]As soon as they figure out a way to wage world war without the very fuel that they would be waging world war for.[/citation]
Pretty good point. As soon as they figured out how to make an effective main battle tank, jet aircraft or helicopter gunship without fossil fuels, crisis averted.
 

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Population doesn't indicate how much oil a country should use. There are other factors. For example, if you look at the greatest of American cities, New York, you see much less oil consumption per person than you would say in Connecticut, or Alabama. Most Oriental countries, like China and Japan, have higher population densities, and a lot of people in urban areas that simply don't need a car to live. If I don't have a car, I can't work. That's a reality for a greater proportion of Americans than it is for Chinese, so Americans will use more oil.

I don't think we'll see all cars not use gas by 2040 as some people do. For one, there's always ethanol, and that can be created (despite the nonsense about it taking more oil energy than it gives. It's a common falsehood) indefinitely. Cars that are made to use it get pretty good efficiency. Cars that are meant to use it if necessary, but gas most of the time get terrible gas mileage from ethanol. No doubt true ethanol cars will grow in numbers as time progresses, and oil prices keep going up.

Also, there is a lot of oil left, way more than we've used. It's just difficult to get at in some cases. That doesn't mean we'll have no oil, it just means it will get more expensive for people to buy. With alternatives like electric cars and ethanol based cars getting more attractive as technology advances much faster for them, the demands on oil will not necessarily keep going up.
 

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China has the highest number and percentage of electric powered vehicles in use in the world today.As of 2010 they have well over 120 million electric powered bicycles in use in their country.
Wikipedia's English language site lists the United States as having a meager 200,000 electric bikes for their population as of 2009.
 

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The thing is, if we all drove more efficient cars, like 30mpg sedans, we wouldn't need anywhere near the amount of oil we do. I know a guy who bought a small SUV about a year ago, and wanted a hybrid but there weren't many available (he doesn't like Toyota due to previous experiences). Kinda strange that there STILL aren't many hybrid models out there.
 

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Wait, why don't we all just get those hydrogen powered cars? I realize that it takes energy (usually made by fossil fuel powered power plants) to make hydrogen fuel. But we will eventually have to tackle power plants anyway so for now why don't we use hydrogen powered cars and let the government make more solar fields.
 

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[citation][nom]greghome[/nom]It's already a little disturbing that China with like 3X larger population than America is still behind america in oil consumption and was recently (maybe not so recent) still behind America in CO2 emission.To say China will catch up by 2040.....Im wondering what the hell are the americans doing[/citation]
the China hater propagandist mean China will catch up oil demand of the U.S. in 2011 by 2040, if we still have oil to go with in 2040, by then the oil consumption of the U.S. already flying skyrocket high to next level :)
 

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[citation][nom]NightLight[/nom]2040, oil, still??? we should be zipping along in our electric cars by then![/citation]

The problem is everything in our society is powered by, or built from, oil. It is not just transportation.

This is not to say we will run out of oil, there is alot left. But by the "laws" of supply and demand, we are going to have a big problem.

As the demand for oil passes the ability to extract it, you can expect the cost of living to rise sharply (again, everything in our society is derived from oil).

If you are an alarmist, you might google "Peak Oil" as this will be one of our species' 1st "test" on the ladder to go from Type 0 civilization to type 1.

The tests get worse after this point... if you want to acquire some knowledge that predicts our species has gone past the point of no return towards extinction, you can combine your newly acquired knowledge of "peak oil" with a new google on "Oceanic Tipping Points".
 

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[citation][nom]amk-aka-Phantom[/nom]Hell no! I loathe electric vehicles, I tried them and they're SO boring to drive... I'll stick to I.C.E.'s, thank you very much.[/citation]

It's quite okay for you to have that type of attitude. It is thinking like that, that keeps progress from moving forward. But we should have a new generation of people that think about where we live then what they think about themselves in the future.
 
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I am amazed you people are so ignorant of electric the motor's dominance. Every worked in a manufacturing plant? Electric motors dominate over combustion engines by 1000:1 in market share. The only market combustion engines have a grasp of is portable and emergency backup and yet this market will be taken over too if the battery can become like gasoline in energy capability.
 

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Why is something this inconsequential that isn't even supposed to happen until 2040 even news? If it's an asteroid on collision course with Earth, then sure, we need to know right away so we can have time to alter its trajectory. Other than that, put a pin in it until 2039.

 

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So what it's saying is: China will catch up with the US in oil demand when nobody uses oil any more, because we've made a switch to other means of energy use.

Really, the only thing we should be using oil (crude and products of) for in 2040 is cooking and for lubricating moving parts. And that shouldn't even be crude oil, we should be either stopping the pumping of crude, or run dry...
 

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[citation][nom]greghome[/nom]It's already a little disturbing that China with like 3X larger population than America is still behind america in oil consumption and was recently (maybe not so recent) still behind America in CO2 emission.To say China will catch up by 2040.....Im wondering what the hell are the americans doing[/citation]
Exactly. Asking the chinese (or indians) not to drive/grow industrially while a single person uses a hummer to go to office each day is just absurd.

I'm totally FOR the environment, just hate it when developed countries don't take the lead or act as if their not a part of the problem. They must push tech and then export it to the developed world if it hasn't been developed there already by then.

Developed countries, especially large/heterogeneous populations like India and China, will always have to deal with more complex issues regarding the environment, as it usually creates conflicts in many other areas.

Plus India sadly has to deal with absurd illogical political problems...being the largest democracy has its drawbacks... :(
 
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2040, we are suppose to be pretty far past peak oil by then right?
 

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One correction that bears noting is that we won't RUN OUT of oil anytime in our lifetimes; we won't suddenly reach a spot where our flow of oil suddenly and instantly runs dry. Rather, what will happen well before then is that production will "peak," where we'll see it higher than any other day in history... Which means it'll be just downhill from there.

It'll likely take centuries from that point for oil consumption to disappear completely, but all along the way, supply will continue to contract, but demand will (at the current state) keep increasing. The result would be pretty obvious: prices would go through the roof, and then from there into the stratosphere, and just never stop going up. If oil is still heavily depended upon as it is today, the economic shocks would be tremendous.

Most people wouldn't be able to afford driving, as gas would quickly rise to $10US a gallon, then $100US, and so on. The price on everything would be escalating dramatically, and likely many of the bounties of our modern system would vanish: trucking produce from thousands of miles so anything could be had year-round would end, and cheap imported goods would no longer be an option. A complete new Depression, and possibly a World War, would all but be inevitable.

This is one of the main reasons why a shift away from an oil-based economy is needed soon. Quite simply put, for Americans, the shift from consuming so much oil isn't an environmental issue for bleeding-heart liberals, it's a security issue: oil reliance would readily prove an Achilles Heel to end American power and prominence, and also make life far worse for everyone else in the world, too.

And hey, us enthusiasts would likely see our niche completely vanish, too, as modern technology would cease to be able to advance without economic strength backing it, and the markets for tech would evaporate. That's a terrible thought, now isn't it?
[citation][nom]CKKwan[/nom]And where is ITER and Nuclear Fusion?[/citation]
It's coming along, just not in the headlines; last month they started work on pouring in the foundations. In other words, they're building the basement right now. Of course, I'll admit that the project can't be developed quickly enough: the current projected timetable has the thing not even powering on for the first time until 2019, and true, full-power fusion (where it'd actually be able to produce more than it consumes) wouldn't be until early 2030.

Like many others, I look back at the Apollo program. Just from 1961 through 1969, a change in policy backed by willing idealists and the sufficient funds managed to take the primitive US space program, that was slow, costly, and lagging behind the Soviets, to quickly propel it to one of humanity's most astounding achievements in under a decade. Why can't we muster the will to do this sort of thing again, when arguably so much more is at stake? If $100US billion more would jump-start fusion research to give us commercial fusion power by 2020, by all means it'd be worth it. The return on investment would be astronomical.

[citation][nom]amk-aka-Phantom[/nom]Hell no! I loathe electric vehicles, I tried them and they're SO boring to drive...[/citation]
I know! The fact that they manage to get such tremendous torque, and such a low center of gravity, gripping to the road so well... I want my sluggish, noisy, poor-performing gas-guzzling engine!

[citation][nom]serendipiti[/nom]well, same amount of oil for a ten times bigger population... ?[/citation]
Keep in mind that much of China's population are still agrarian farmers living without even electricity and running water. So China consuming less than the USA isn't a mark of them being more "efficient," it's just a mark of the stark inequality found in the country. It's also why they already surpassed the US in carbon emissions: they might consume less in total, but they're vastly more wasteful with what they have, and the number of citizens who're doing the consuming is growing rapidly... So eventually, we'll have 1+ billion Chinese basically doing the consuming and polluting of 3 USAs... Except that by that time the USA's consumption and pollution will have shrunk even further, as efficiency and cleanliness improve here, but not in China. (China has repeatedly refused to adopt any solid efficiency or emissions standards, arguing that they'd just be attacks on their economic growth)
 

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[citation][nom]11796pcs[/nom]Wait, why don't we all just get those hydrogen powered cars? I realize that it takes energy (usually made by fossil fuel powered power plants) to make hydrogen fuel. But we will eventually have to tackle power plants anyway so for now why don't we use hydrogen powered cars and let the government make more solar fields.[/citation]


Because Hydrogen powered cars are essentially electric cars with fuel cells that convert hydrogen into electricity for the electric motor drivetrain. A few hydrogen cars use a combustion engine that directly uses hydrogen for combustion, but they are not very efficient either. Think of the 12-cylinder BMW hydrogen concept, it's not very fast even with a huge engine.

So it's best just to stick with a regular electric car. Otherwise you have efficiency loss by using electricity to make the hydrogen, and then more efficiency loss with converting the hydrogen back into electricity once it's in the vehicle.
 

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So, there are some points not known by anybody here, so far. There is more oil in the cdn tar sands then has been extracted at this point in time from the entire middle east. There is no oil shortage, there is a shortage of easy oil.

Try on a couple of other things. China is dumping Billions, yes with a B, into securing tar sands production. The U.S.A. is now putting a pipeline on hold and the Chinese are currently chomping at the bit to have it redirected to their plants. 25% of oil for the U.S. comes from cdn sources.

Make no mistake about it. China knows where it is at and is doing everything to secure their energy needs for the future.
 

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