China's 'Porn Filter' Zaps Political Content Too

[oicw]

[citation][nom]chaohsiangchen[/nom]You can't run a capitalist society with an iron fist.[/citation]

Yet somehow the US seem to manage just fine right now...

Let's face it, although China is a little extreme on content filtering, you don't have absolutely free browsing rights ANYWHERE. Try searching for roadside bomb videos, REAL Osama speaches, or US prison torture pictures / videos and just see for yourself how tough it is.

 

[tenor77]

[citation][nom]supertrek32[/nom]Isn't this the modern-day equivilent of burning books...? Guess we should all go prepare for ChiNazis[/citation]

I wouldn't compare this to book burning. I would say it's the systematic manipulation of a population to only hear government approved information.

 

[-unknown-]

[citation][nom]chaohsiangchen[/nom]You are so wrong on this from the beginning. You need to read Adam Smith and Karl Marx to understand fundamental differences of how capitalist and communist societies function. The former is about economic freedom and private ownership, which leads to demand for rule of law, and will eventually develop into free society and civil liberty; the later is all about class warfare and control of production means as basis for wealth redistribution (to party members, of course). You can't run a capitalist society with an iron fist, and you can't run a communist society without one.[/citation]
Hey, there's another good one, although Karl Marx is associated as being "The Father of Communism", what Marx was talking about is closer to Marxism than Communism.

On another note, you identified the logical flaw in blaming Communism for the lack of free speech in China before I could. The key as you said is "you can't run a communist society without one (an iron fist)", what does that have to do with Communism? Nothing. But its that very mindset that sets up leaders to abuse the governing power they are given to run a Communist state.

Its like saying the only way to get "well-behaved" (disciplined) children is to beat them. As common knowledge, we most know that discipline has nothing to do with physical force but it is often used as a mechanism to achieve a level of discipline. Same principal applies here. Communism isn't about oppressing the public under it, its the exact opposite but it relies too heavily on a non-corrupt and infallible governing body to reach its objective. As a result you see all Communist states run along this "iron fist" mindset and lose respect for the model, but arguably, these leaders aren't concerned with achieving a non-oppressive political economy but after their own interests (in other words, they use Communism as an excuse for their abuse of power).

 

[TheMan1214]

[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom]So skynet is chinese ?[/citation]

Win

 

[-unknown-]

[citation][nom]chaohsiangchen[/nom]You are so wrong on this from the beginning. You need to read Adam Smith and Karl Marx to understand fundamental differences of how capitalist and communist societies function. The former is about economic freedom and private ownership, which leads to demand for rule of law, and will eventually develop into free society and civil liberty; the later is all about class warfare and control of production means as basis for wealth redistribution (to party members, of course). You can't run a capitalist society with an iron fist, and you can't run a communist society without one.[/citation]
I'm sorry, I forgot to address another one of your points.

Your explanation of Capitalism is devoid of its flaws while the one of Communism is relies only on its flaws.

I won't bother pointing out the Capitalist systems flaws but I'll clarify the Communist definition as it is lacking in accuracy. Communism is about achieving class equality (and not class warfare), maintaining control of the means of production to prevent abuse (and not for government benefit) in an effort to avoid a discrimination in a class-based society. Historically, has class warfare occured in these so-called Communist states? Absolutely. Many other awful injustices have occured as well but it was never what the Communist model was about, otherwise you'd never have any part of the public support for it.

 

[starryman]

Reminds me of an Office episode. Where Ryan creates a blog for Creed and all it is, is a Word document which he thinks is somehow interconnected to the web. Soon in China, their web is basically going to be a Word document and users can search that Word document.

 

[anamaniac]

...
Stop bitching.
Not a single one of you will likely do a thing about it, thus discussing it is devoid of any purpose.
Saying "save the planet" while driving a hummer is the same thing...

The people will find a way around this.

 

[-unknown-]

[citation][nom]anamaniac[/nom]...Stop bitching.Not a single one of you will likely do a thing about it, thus discussing it is devoid of any purpose.Saying "save the planet" while driving a hummer is the same thing...The people will find a way around this.[/citation]
?? But its a discussion board, that's what its here for...lol.

Oh, and about your "save the planet" comment, you may want to familiarize yourself with the "Tu Quoque" fallacy.

 

[chaohsiangchen]

[citation][nom]-unknown-[/nom]Hey, there's another good one, although Karl Marx is associated as being "The Father of Communism", what Marx was talking about is closer to Marxism than Communism.[/citation]

Just read Communist Manifesto and realize how ridiculously ignorant you sound like:
http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html

Oh, BTW, don't forget to read On Capitalism by Karl Marx. Marxism IS Communism, in theory, in practice and in reality, Period.

You don't understand why is there classes in any society, even the Communist ones. Anyone who believes class equality is a fucking idiot. You don't understand why economic system has to be set up. You also don't understand how things are traded and how values are defined in this process. In the end, you don't understand why communism have to be practiced through the barrels of guns, and there is no alternatives to achieve that without execution squad and secret police. If you deny this is inevitable result of communism, then you should share your property with me, since I am a proletariat.

What you are doing here, is white washing a pile of shit. No matter how hard you try, it still stinks.

 

[chaohsiangchen]

[citation][nom]-unknown-[/nom]I'm sorry, I forgot to address another one of your points.Your explanation of Capitalism is devoid of its flaws while the one of Communism is relies only on its flaws.[/citation]

Wrong, I am plainly explaining what capitalism and what communism are respectively. And, yes, communism is about class warfare. Karl Marx wrote in his words (class struggle), in On Capitalism as well as Communist Manifesto.

Capitalism is not without its flaw. One major flaw of purest form of capitalism is lack of foresight on how losers in economic games can cause so much trouble. Just like Democracy, capitalism isn't perfect, but just better than any other model that has been tried.

The one of the direct results of communist catastrophe is Chinese commies are still putting censorship to Chinese dissidents, FLG, Free Tibet and other things they don't like. Generally speaking, the freedom of speech is still better than the day of true communism, when even slightest oral discontent will make your way into Laogai camp. Commies are now on the defensive in all front. They can no longer arrest people for oral discontent. They have no power to dictate how people should think anymore. That's just how economic freedom has changed China in the past 30 years, and you haven't seen the real change yet. This is actually a living model of how economic freedom will eventually leads to political freedom.

 

[Kami3k]

[citation][nom]oicw[/nom]Try searching for roadside bomb videos, REAL Osama speaches, or US prison torture pictures / videos and just see for yourself how tough it is.[/citation]

Too easy actually. Really if that is your only argument to make the US be ran with a iron fist you fail hard.

 

[chaohsiangchen]

[citation][nom]oicw[/nom]Yet somehow the US seem to manage just fine right now...Let's face it, although China is a little extreme on content filtering, you don't have absolutely free browsing rights ANYWHERE. Try searching for roadside bomb videos, REAL Osama speaches, or US prison torture pictures / videos and just see for yourself how tough it is.[/citation]

Commies aren't interested in blocking indecent, obscene, violent or inappropriate content for mentally weak, young or finicky. They are only interested in blocking political dissent, minority rights, religion rights and demand for political freedom. Pornography is just an excuse. Anyone from China can tell you just how easy it is to get porn from the Internet in China. They only block most famous sites such as Hustler, Penthouse or Playboy.

 

[josh jones]

O NO... does this mean i will no longer get asian porn in USA??? lmao
This realy is nothing new. People that worry about (GGWC) Great Green Wall of China should be the people who live in such country or it's territories.
on a side note; i wonder if it's possible to see the great GREEN wall from outer space. lol

 

[-unknown-]

[citation][nom]chaohsiangchen[/nom]Just read Communist Manifesto and realize how ridiculously ignorant you sound like:http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/ [...] festo.htmlOh, BTW, don't forget to read On Capitalism by Karl Marx. Marxism IS Communism, in theory, in practice and in reality, Period. You don't understand why is there classes in any society, even the Communist ones. Anyone who believes class equality is a fucking idiot. You don't understand why economic system has to be set up. You also don't understand how things are traded and how values are defined in this process. In the end, you don't understand why communism have to be practiced through the barrels of guns, and there is no alternatives to achieve that without execution squad and secret police. If you deny this is inevitable result of communism, then you should share your property with me, since I am a proletariat.What you are doing here, is white washing a pile of shit. No matter how hard you try, it still stinks.[/citation]
Why do people resort to name calling and harassment when they disagree with someone? I don't know what's going on in your life or your head right now but if I caused you any offense or stress, I'm sorry and please realize that it wasn't my intent.

Furthermore, you seem to think that I'm vouching for Communism and/or why Capitalism works better than Communism, that's not what this argument was about. All that was said is not to confuse freedom of speech with Communism, they are 2 different principles, that's all. You seem to be convinced that Communism as it appears in practice in China is what Communism is about, its not. Don't assume because someone disagrees with you that they are not knowledgeable in the topic at hand, I'm pretty sure everyone learns about Adam Smith and Karl Marx at some point or another in their school years. If you want a quick distinction between Marxism and Communism just do a quick Wikipedia search of it, you'll notice right away 2 different (yet similar) entries but they are 2 distinct topics.

For the record, YES Communist leaders have restricted free speech historically but NOT because of Communism but to protect the leaders own interests. No where in the Communist model does it call for free speech to be eliminated or restricted.

 

[-unknown-]

[citation][nom]chaohsiangchen[/nom]Wrong, I am plainly explaining what capitalism and what communism are respectively. And, yes, communism is about class warfare. Karl Marx wrote in his words (class struggle), in On Capitalism as well as Communist Manifesto. Capitalism is not without its flaw. One major flaw of purest form of capitalism is lack of foresight on how losers in economic games can cause so much trouble. Just like Democracy, capitalism isn't perfect, but just better than any other model that has been tried. The one of the direct results of communist catastrophe is Chinese commies are still putting censorship to Chinese dissidents, FLG, Free Tibet and other things they don't like. Generally speaking, the freedom of speech is still better than the day of true communism, when even slightest oral discontent will make your way into Laogai camp. Commies are now on the defensive in all front. They can no longer arrest people for oral discontent. They have no power to dictate how people should think anymore. That's just how economic freedom has changed China in the past 30 years, and you haven't seen the real change yet. This is actually a living model of how economic freedom will eventually leads to political freedom.[/citation]

My biggest advice to you is that you try to more objectively view the 2 topics (Capitalism and Communism) as you seem be very polarized in your view of the 2 systems. I wholeheartedly agree with you that Capitalism has been far more successful in practice than Communism but you seem to think of Communism as such an evil effort. Try to think of it as another religion, there are plenty of awful events that have occurred due to individuals claiming to act on behalf of their faith but really, its not what their faith is about. The most prevalent faiths all have honourable intentions as their "model" but in practicing that "model" certain individuals have committed acts outside of it. For example, military oppression isn't part of the Jewish faith, suicide bombing isn't part of the Muslim faith, the Puritans acts weren't part of the Christian faith, etc. Communism falls around the same principal, its not something that was intended to oppress people but to protect them against the potential injustices under other economic models (mainly Capitalism), it was meant to be an answer to it. Is it? Of course not but its goals are for the people, not the benefit of politicians (as it is in practice).

 

[tucana]

[citation][nom]chaohsiangchen[/nom]You are so wrong on this from the beginning. You need to read Adam Smith and Karl Marx to understand fundamental differences of how capitalist and communist societies function. The former is about economic freedom and private ownership, which leads to demand for rule of law, and will eventually develop into free society and civil liberty; the later is all about class warfare and control of production means as basis for wealth redistribution (to party members, of course). You can't run a capitalist society with an iron fist, and you can't run a communist society without one.[/citation]
[citation][nom]NuclearShadow[/nom]What!? No porn for E-porn for China? This is clearly a violation of human rights! Nothing China has ever done before has been this sick! We must free those poor innocent Chinese people from such tyranny![/citation]

infact, you are the wrong one. this event has nothing to do with communism. It's just a instance of coruption of chinese goverment.simply, the Green Dam created a profit transport tunnel between those corupted goverment officers ,the software companies and state finance. goverment throw tons of money to buy a crapware without thinking, it's typical coruption thing.

 

[tucana]

[citation][nom]-unknown-[/nom]Hey, there's another good one, although Karl Marx is associated as being "The Father of Communism", what Marx was talking about is closer to Marxism than Communism.On another note, you identified the logical flaw in blaming Communism for the lack of free speech in China before I could. The key as you said is "you can't run a communist society without one (an iron fist)", what does that have to do with Communism? Nothing. But its that very mindset that sets up leaders to abuse the governing power they are given to run a Communist state.Its like saying the only way to get "well-behaved" (disciplined) children is to beat them. As common knowledge, we most know that discipline has nothing to do with physical force but it is often used as a mechanism to achieve a level of discipline. Same principal applies here. Communism isn't about oppressing the public under it, its the exact opposite but it relies too heavily on a non-corrupt and infallible governing body to reach its objective. As a result you see all Communist states run along this "iron fist" mindset and lose respect for the model, but arguably, these leaders aren't concerned with achieving a non-oppressive political economy but after their own interests (in other words, they use Communism as an excuse for their abuse of power).[/citation]

You are god damn right! that's the point! I couldn't agree more!

 

[apache_lives]

they should call this thing a vachina :B

 

[demonhorde665]

and we should be suprised because ???????

really this isn't news , if some one is too damn stupid to realise a chinese porn blocker commisioned by china's goverment WILL block political content as well, that person probably shouldn't be adding thier genes to ANY gene pool.

why cry foul on them for it ?? not like you areall of a sudden going to change china's mind when they have been a communist dictator ship for the last 50-60 years

 

[demonhorde665]

as for teh two idiots arguing over politics , communism and democracy, capitalism socalism monarcy palamentary monarchy, all have thier flaws, they all have thier strong points as well , communism IS NOT what china is directly , they are a communistic dictator ship , and infact they are more of a dictator ship than they are communist , commumism in china is only refering to thier economic set up , their goverment is a Dictator ship , period.

of last note , it has been said one of teh best forms of goverment is a monarchy , when the monarch is a good one (Ie a deccent human being , not a greedy deceitful wicked one).

the only problem with monarches in the past was that curch and state where never seperated and quite often monarchs answered to the church not thier people ( I don't mean to pick on the catholics , but well the catholic church did bassically command every king of th e dark and middle ages)