Desktop Replacement

[ME]

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>Laptops seem to be a fashion at the moment. I've heard comments like "a
>laptop is better" (than a desktop) without a single justification.

The one thing that bothers me abt using a laptop as a
"desktop" is the ergonomics of it.

For example....with my desktop I can use a big enough
display such that I actually setting in a laz z boy
recliner with feet up in air while surfing the net!!

That's not easy to do with a laptop

 

[ME]

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> My 22" CRT fills a good deal of my computer
>desk. True.

Instead of setting it on a desk....

Buy a 24" x 36" wire mesh food cart with wheels on it.
You can get them from Lowes or Costco.

Matter of fact put your whole system on this cart and
you can roll it around anywhere you want

 

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<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> >IF it is used with the same keyboard, mouse, and monitor as their current
>>desktop maybe. Personally I find typing on a laptop keyboard, _any_
>>laptop
>>keyboard, to be agony, and there is a special place in Hell for whoever
>>came up with touchpads.
>
> I agree with this
>
> But one thing I thought abt doing was to use a wireless
> keyboard in conjunction with a laptop used as a
> "desktop" most of time.
>
> your thoughts on that?

Agreed. for the notebook, wireless keyboard/ mouse on the replicator at the
office. Pocket Kensington wireless mouse when travelling.

At home, Wicked cranking blue light flashing brushed ali case with 600gig
storage on a PIV 3.6 in constant meltdown at home with Surround 5.1 and a
21" flat hi res CRT...

I may not be in the 90% but I know when I need the notebook and when I need
the big blue box. I know what the 90% would want if they had a choice and
it wouldn't be constantly hunched over a laptop.

Dave

Dave

 

[ME]

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>> But one thing I thought abt doing was to use a wireless
>> keyboard in conjunction with a laptop used as a
>> "desktop" most of time.
>>
>> your thoughts on that?
>
>Agreed. for the notebook, wireless keyboard/ mouse on the replicator at the
>office. Pocket Kensington wireless mouse when travelling.

Agree as well. Any advice on a good wireless keyboard
with built in wireless mouse

>At home, Wicked cranking blue light flashing brushed ali case with 600gig
>storage on a PIV 3.6 in constant meltdown at home with Surround 5.1 and a
>21" flat hi res CRT...
>
>I may not be in the 90% but I know when I need the notebook and when I need
>the big blue box. I know what the 90% would want if they had a choice and
>it wouldn't be constantly hunched over a laptop.

Agree on above as well.

I'm in market for a new PC...and have been close to
buying a laptop and using it as a desktop

BUT... like you.... I'm a power hog!! I like the
ability to use a huge monitor and set back in my
recliner and use wireless keyboard and surf THAT way

That's not so easy to do with a laptop as the display
choices are small.

Matter of fact.....I'm thinking of going with a samsung
213t for next desktop display....and its 23" lcd!!!

I've kind of come to conclusion that it's not an
"either/or" situation. There really are times when
BOTH are nice!

 

[ceebee]

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me@privacy.net wrote in comp.sys.laptops:


> Instead of setting it on a desk....
>
> Buy a 24" x 36" wire mesh food cart with wheels on it.
> You can get them from Lowes or Costco.
>
> Matter of fact put your whole system on this cart and
> you can roll it around anywhere you want


.....and 12,0000 km of electricity cable, for intercontinental user.

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[ME]

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>....and 12,0000 km of electricity cable, for intercontinental user.

How so?

Just roll it close to any outlet

I even have a small UPS setting on low shelf.

It actually keeps everything nice and neat cable wise.
Just arrange cables and cable tie them

 

[ceebee]

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William P. N. Smith wrote in comp.sys.laptops:


> Gamers are a significant part of the PeeCee market,

Game developers are changing their minds about that. It's just the
other way around: game developers realize they increasingly only
cater a small part of the PC users with the games they develop, need
a lot of fast hardware and a lot of time and dedication. They miss
out the largest part of the PC users: the ones in for a casual game
without giving up their lives in an instance.



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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote in
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> Do those 90% agree with you? And if you are going to assert
> that they do I want to see your statistics.

The majority of PC and laptop users are either in the business
segment or the home users without the need (or money) to have high
end systems. That's why they are called "high-end".

You try to create a non-existent opposition between what you want (a
high end desktop as well) and what the majority of PC users have.
The fact that the majority of these PC users do not have such a
desktop system doesn't mean that there's something wrong with your
choice.
"Others do not have nor need the system you own " doesn't equal
"you're some idiot". We're discussing PC market development, not the
sanity of your choices nor the size of your dick.

> So? How do you know that "around you" is representative? If
> you were working at Pixar you would probably see a somewhat
> different trend.

You'll find the majority of home users in business and simple home
PC applications. It doesn't mean that there's something wrong with
your (or my) choice of PC system, it only shows that "high-end
systems" are just that: high-end.
If the majority of PC users would choose for high-end systems, by
definition it wouldn't be a high-end system anymore, but mainstream.

Looking at product introductions and hard- and software developers
the trend is _very_ clearly in the direction of more integrated and
flexible systems.


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<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> For example....with my desktop I can use a big enough
> display such that I actually setting in a laz z boy
> recliner with feet up in air while surfing the net!!
>
> That's not easy to do with a laptop

I dissagree...

I made a board out of balsa/plywood (so it was light), a bit of camper foam
mat on the bottom (so it was soft and non-slip), bit of 1/4 round on the
front edge (do it didn't cut my wrists), with enough room to run a mouse
beside my laptop...

I sit in chairs, move to the table, back to chairs, onto the bed, different
room... etc... all the time... I just need to move my power, or run on
batteries when I move more than a few feet. I think this is way more
convenient, with better viewing options, than sitting back from a monitor,
or using the TV, with its low resolution, for computing.

Al...

 

[ME]

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>I dissagree...
>
>I made a board out of balsa/plywood (so it was light), a bit of camper foam
>mat on the bottom (so it was soft and non-slip), bit of 1/4 round on the
>front edge (do it didn't cut my wrists), with enough room to run a mouse
>beside my laptop...
>
>I sit in chairs, move to the table, back to chairs, onto the bed, different
>room... etc... all the time... I just need to move my power, or run on
>batteries when I move more than a few feet. I think this is way more
>convenient, with better viewing options, than sitting back from a monitor,
>or using the TV, with its low resolution, for computing.

OK

But you are moving the entire laptop as you move
around. correct?

With my method I use a wireless keyboard for a desktop
unit with a BIG lcd display.

The desktop and display are on a rolling cart

I can move the system and display anywhere I want by
rolling it. And set in any position and use it by
using the wireless keyboard

 

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Alan Adrian wrote:

>
> <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:64k2c1d3lm62dvh7gv5bc20vbqlqvosi1t@4ax.com...
>> For example....with my desktop I can use a big enough
>> display such that I actually setting in a laz z boy
>> recliner with feet up in air while surfing the net!!
>>
>> That's not easy to do with a laptop
>
> I dissagree...
>
> I made a board out of balsa/plywood (so it was light), a bit of camper
> foam mat on the bottom (so it was soft and non-slip), bit of 1/4 round on
> the front edge (do it didn't cut my wrists), with enough room to run a
> mouse beside my laptop...
>
> I sit in chairs, move to the table, back to chairs, onto the bed,
> different room... etc... all the time... I just need to move my power, or
> run on
> batteries when I move more than a few feet. I think this is way more
> convenient, with better viewing options, than sitting back from a monitor,
> or using the TV, with its low resolution, for computing.

Think big. Front projection computer monitor. 8 foot screen and LCD-sharp.
They're getting to where they're small and not horribly expensive. Still
have that pesky 500 buck light bulb though. And that way you don't have to
have a board sitting in your lap with a machine sitting on it--a diNovo
keyboard and optical mouse work anywhere--you can even use the cat for a
mouse pad if he's not too playful.

> Al...

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<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> OK
>
> But you are moving the entire laptop as you move
> around. correct?

> The desktop and display are on a rolling cart
>
> I can move the system and display anywhere I want by
> rolling it. And set in any position and use it by
> using the wireless keyboard

I live in a Dutch house.. I have 3 floors and move between them often...

You don't want to know where I'm sitting as I type this now.. but I had to
go down a floor to get here... <g>

Al...

 

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<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>>> But one thing I thought abt doing was to use a wireless
>>> keyboard in conjunction with a laptop used as a
>>> "desktop" most of time.
>>>
>>> your thoughts on that?
>>
>>Agreed. for the notebook, wireless keyboard/ mouse on the replicator at
>>the
>>office. Pocket Kensington wireless mouse when travelling.
>
> Agree as well. Any advice on a good wireless keyboard
> with built in wireless mouse

Nup. Using an MS keyboard. not very portable. The kensington mouse is
cute. USB transmitter stores in the mouse.
>
>>At home, Wicked cranking blue light flashing brushed ali case with 600gig
>>storage on a PIV 3.6 in constant meltdown at home with Surround 5.1 and
>>a
>>21" flat hi res CRT...
>>
>>I may not be in the 90% but I know when I need the notebook and when I
>>need
>>the big blue box. I know what the 90% would want if they had a choice and
>>it wouldn't be constantly hunched over a laptop.
>
> Agree on above as well.
>
> I'm in market for a new PC...and have been close to
> buying a laptop and using it as a desktop

To answer the OP, You can come close with a good 17" PM 770 2.13Ghz. Big
desktop CPU's in notebooks are bacon friers. Sony I have VGN A39/49GP
(don't think model available US) has PM 770 hi res wide 17", ATI X600
128GPU, 2GB DDR2 533 SDram. Good port replicator with great speakers and
sound included
in the price. Hang your samsung 213t off the replicator and get the best of
both worlds. Black Sabbath on the Samsung, work on the 17" ;-) Extra
storage via 2.5" 100GB drives in Ali slim enclosures hanging off USB ports.
OK for video record considering a notebook. Works in travel and office. The
drawback to notebooks as replacements is in the GPU department and storage
read/write speed. Much slower on video edit. I stick with 5400 rev
seagates 'cause I think they're reliable but regardless, notebook storage
write speed and capacity from those little drives is always miles behind.

>
> BUT... like you.... I'm a power hog!! I like the
> ability to use a huge monitor and set back in my
> recliner and use wireless keyboard and surf THAT way
>
> That's not so easy to do with a laptop as the display
> choices are small.
>
> Matter of fact.....I'm thinking of going with a samsung
> 213t for next desktop display....and its 23" lcd!!!

Yeah! at home a different story! leather recliner. 5.1 surround with a
thumping bass speaker under the desk totally drowns the fans. I like the big
hi res flat CRT- 21" Viewsonic gives a nice picture and great for gaming.
Sits on its own file cabinet on wheels. I never get to use it because it's
the wife's machine ;-) I like the idea of a big LCD, but not yet. We have
got a 40" screen that I havn't yet plugged in for Doom 3, but soon...

>
> I've kind of come to conclusion that it's not an
> "either/or" situation. There really are times when
> BOTH are nice!

Nothing's really changed. If you can only have one, you only get a notebook
if you must be mobile. The bang for buck from a desktop and easy
upgradability pisses all over notebooks. If noise is a worry, quiet cases
abound.

Dave

 

[ME]

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> Hang your samsung 213t off the replicator and get the best of
>both worlds. Black Sabbath on the Samsung, work on the 17" ;-)

Yeah but a 17" laptop is big!!

I cant imagine it being very portable when needed

I'm actually thinking abt getting a desktop.... and
using a Treo 650 cellphone/pda on the road.... rather
than a laptop of any kind

Advice on that idea?

 

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<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>> Hang your samsung 213t off the replicator and get the best of
>>both worlds. Black Sabbath on the Samsung, work on the 17" ;-)
>
> Yeah but a 17" laptop is big!!
>
> I cant imagine it being very portable when needed
> -
> I'm actually thinking abt getting a desktop.... and
> using a Treo 650 cellphone/pda on the road.... rather
> than a laptop of any kind
>
> Advice on that idea?

Look at function first, product later. What do you need it for? It sounds
like wank but you do need to detail what you need the thing for then get a
product or products to fill that need. Where there is overlap between
PDA/notebook/PC you've gotta look realistically at what gives you the most
effective combination. Maybe all three?

If your situation is that you are travelling a lot without a car (so size
and weight are significant) and you don't need to do presentations requiring
a larger screen the Treo 650 looks like a great product- I'd need the
stowaway keyboard - those buttons look tiny ;-) I use 1 or 2 GB CF's so
would prefer that to the Treo SD or MMC for storage, but it looks like a
great machine.

For me the notebook 17" wide screen is good for presentations and a luxury
for remote travel. The centrino not heavy (by my standards) and I need the
power. In a plane I can flip the screen up and rest it against the seat back
for comfortable viewing at head height- if a bit close. A lot of places I
go to don't have TV. To me a 12 inch notebook is not much different to a
bigger one for storage space- they'd end up in the same case and 5 or 6
pounds is no different to 8 amongst +50 pounds of gear.

If I don't have room for the Vaio when working it means I'm on foot. Then
I'll use phone, GPS & voice recorder for notes plus DSLR camera. Rather than
multifunction, each individual hardware item has excellent performance with
the downside of carrying more 'gadgets'. For me they have to be as dust,
shock and water resistant as possible. The Treo might fall down there. My
peripherals all have good storage memory- GPS is a Garmin 76CS, so on the
notebook I link my downloaded voice notes to the GPS log for time, date,
location, co-ords and job duration. It means I've made a trip diary without
any extra work. Reports can have a printed map just to be pretty.

On the notebook replacing the PC. That guy in the 3 storey Dutch house has
a very good point. There are some rooms where only the notebook will do, in
that case with an optional sweet smelling magic-tree!

Dave

 

[ME]

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> To me a 12 inch notebook is not much different to a
>bigger one for storage space- they'd end up in the same case and 5 or 6
>pounds is no different to 8 amongst +50 pounds of gear.

I see

So that's why you go for a 17" laptop over say a 15" or
12"??

 

[ME]

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>If I don't have room for the Vaio when working it means I'm on foot. Then
>I'll use phone, GPS & voice recorder for notes plus DSLR camera. Rather than
>multifunction, each individual hardware item has excellent performance with
>the downside of carrying more 'gadgets'. For me they have to be as dust,
>shock and water resistant as possible. The Treo might fall down there.

Yes I've thought abt the separate devices way

There is merit to it cause as you say each separate
device is more rugged and "tweaked"

 

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me@privacy.net wrote:

>>If I don't have room for the Vaio when working it means I'm on foot. Then
>>I'll use phone, GPS & voice recorder for notes plus DSLR camera. Rather
>>than multifunction, each individual hardware item has excellent
>>performance with the downside of carrying more 'gadgets'. For me they have
>>to be as dust,
>>shock and water resistant as possible. The Treo might fall down there.
>
> Yes I've thought abt the separate devices way
>
> There is merit to it cause as you say each separate
> device is more rugged and "tweaked"

You might find <http/pcworld.about.com/magazine/2306p099id120342.htm> to
be of interest. I really wish he had driven the car over the Treo
though--I'd like to know the outcome of that one.

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[ME]

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>You might find <http/pcworld.about.com/magazine/2306p099id120342.htm> to
>be of interest. I really wish he had driven the car over the Treo
>though--I'd like to know the outcome of that one.

Interesting!

Thanks for that link

Seems the Treo 650 is pretty tough unit

 

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Good Lordy, don't ya just hate it when people hijack your thread and
turn into something else. Suffice to say though, after 30+ replies,
nobody here wants a desktop replacement. end of story.







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