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Um. That is how business operates in China. All factories are live-in facilities where employees are deducted for food. Again, ALL factories.
The work hours seem a little long, as most Chinese factories only have a 12 hour work day. Sexual harassment isn't a norm, but the Chinese in general do not hold women in high social status. So it depends which country's definition of harassment is being used. What Americans consider harassment happens to waitresses at high end restaurants every night in Bejing.
There is a reason that China is such a major economic player. There is also a reason Communism is called Communism.
The work hours seem a little long, as most Chinese factories only have a 12 hour work day. Sexual harassment isn't a norm, but the Chinese in general do not hold women in high social status. So it depends which country's definition of harassment is being used. What Americans consider harassment happens to waitresses at high end restaurants every night in Bejing.
There is a reason that China is such a major economic player. There is also a reason Communism is called Communism.
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So you guys are saying that this happens to a comunism country that is encouraged by Capitalist Enterprises, that justify for you their behavior? whos system is encouraging what, the war low prices capitalist system or the just survive at any cost comunism? Both stinks if that is what we have come to... Ban Enterprises from operating outside if they not give their workers the same human conditions al least that are given in their origin country, once they Learn that have to behave outside good, they will bring better conditions and the best possible personal outside will try to get in a respectfully manufacturer company in there, second their competidors will do the same if we consumers only buy products to companies that Do care about treaten well personal, we should have a list with the top companies and their products that treat well their personal here and outside...
[citation][nom]been there done that[/nom]There is also a reason Communism is called Communism.[/citation]
😉 That's not Communism, dude! That's Capitalism 😉
I'm not going to explain you the difference here. I'd just like to say that this is a proof that Communism is impossible and that all revolutions are the same they replace one emperor with another. And all good ideas like Communism are just tools for some people to achieve their political goals. The same people forget rather quickly when they get the power and the money that they were supposed to fight for a better life for the masses.
That's what happened in China. They've replaced the Ming dynasty with new Emperors - the general secretaries of the Chinese Communist party. That's what has happened in USSR too. The same has happened in other non-communist societies.
Freedom is fragile thing and people with power and money will always try to suppress it. Isn't that what's happening in the last decade or longer in the USA?
😉 That's not Communism, dude! That's Capitalism 😉
I'm not going to explain you the difference here. I'd just like to say that this is a proof that Communism is impossible and that all revolutions are the same they replace one emperor with another. And all good ideas like Communism are just tools for some people to achieve their political goals. The same people forget rather quickly when they get the power and the money that they were supposed to fight for a better life for the masses.
That's what happened in China. They've replaced the Ming dynasty with new Emperors - the general secretaries of the Chinese Communist party. That's what has happened in USSR too. The same has happened in other non-communist societies.
Freedom is fragile thing and people with power and money will always try to suppress it. Isn't that what's happening in the last decade or longer in the USA?
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[citation][nom]Worker[/nom]"We are like prisoners," one worker said. "We do not have a life. Only work."[/citation]
Damn, kind of sounds like my job.
I want 12 hour days with room and board supplied by the company. All I do is eat, sleep, work, and post on Toms anyways...
Damn, kind of sounds like my job.
I want 12 hour days with room and board supplied by the company. All I do is eat, sleep, work, and post on Toms anyways...
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Why don't they quit? It may have terrible working conditions but they're still willing to do it. It must be worth it to them.
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In this case, the "unknown" would be : "exploit men, women and children.
It's sad. I would gladly play 5-10$ more for a mouse knowing that it's build in a safe factory and that the worker makes at least minimum wage (by our standarts).
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[citation][nom]hillarymakesmecry[/nom]Why don't they quit? It may have terrible working conditions but they're still willing to do it. It must be worth it to them.[/citation]
And do what? Live in a cardboard box and eat dirt?
And do what? Live in a cardboard box and eat dirt?
Well, now you know that Microsoft doesn't deserve your money if they are party to this! Neither do the rest of them for that matter! Big businesses always know about these things but as long as they don't get caught, they don't mind. None of us should be paying more for anything! At the low rates they pay these poor people, they could probably still make bucketloads if they sold their products at under half price!
You know what will probably happen now? They will claim innocence and will rectify the situation, improve conditions and pass the cost onto the consumer. In the end you and I pay more (maybe even far more than what they paid to fix the issue) and keep paying more indefinitely.
You know what will probably happen now? They will claim innocence and will rectify the situation, improve conditions and pass the cost onto the consumer. In the end you and I pay more (maybe even far more than what they paid to fix the issue) and keep paying more indefinitely.
I'm afraid there is not much to do. Even if Microsoft says Ouch and chooses a different factory, nothing will change in this one. They are just going to work for someone else.
Microsoft, or you, or I don't rule China.
It's a change that has to happen in China itself. Actually, this is capitalism in it's worst form. Hence communism blended with capitalism.
One must also understand that the mentality and values in china are different. Maybe that's the biggest problem.
Microsoft, or you, or I don't rule China.
It's a change that has to happen in China itself. Actually, this is capitalism in it's worst form. Hence communism blended with capitalism.
One must also understand that the mentality and values in china are different. Maybe that's the biggest problem.
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It won't be long and there will be some kind of worker revolution in China, similar to what happened in the US in the 1920's. That's the only way this kind of thing will end. Their government and the corporations are making way too much money off of exploiting the workers so they will never do anything about it.
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[citation][nom]necronic[/nom]In capitalist china, Hard Drive slaves you![/citation]I'm so ashamed of how hard I just laughed at that... Thanks! 
Microsoft Hardware knew that this sort of thing was going on. This isn't the first time this has been reported.
Back in February 2009, National Labor Committee published the "High Tech Misery in China" report which outlined similar issues (http
/www.nlcnet.org/admin/reports/files/HIGHTECH_MISERY_CHINA_WEB.pdf).
The questions that come from this are:
1) Did MS Hardware management take action to stop any of the practices and try to prevent re-occurance?
2) If actions were taken, why are similar issues still taking place?
3) When did the NLC gather their information for their latest April 2010 report? This matters because even if MS Hardware took every possible step last time, it simply takes time to implement. The NLC report might be based on events that occurred before MS Hardware had a reasonable chance of fixing anything.
Back in February 2009, National Labor Committee published the "High Tech Misery in China" report which outlined similar issues (http
/www.nlcnet.org/admin/reports/files/HIGHTECH_MISERY_CHINA_WEB.pdf).The questions that come from this are:
1) Did MS Hardware management take action to stop any of the practices and try to prevent re-occurance?
2) If actions were taken, why are similar issues still taking place?
3) When did the NLC gather their information for their latest April 2010 report? This matters because even if MS Hardware took every possible step last time, it simply takes time to implement. The NLC report might be based on events that occurred before MS Hardware had a reasonable chance of fixing anything.
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[citation][nom]gwwerner[/nom]Sounds like army basic training. The crazy thing is that those workers choose to work there because it is their best option. It makes our work-related grievances seem rather insignificant.[/citation]
I wouldn't say "Choose" more like Forced into slavery based on there situation. And to clarify, what I mean by that is, any situation where you are forced to do laber, because you can't afford to live otherwise, is slaver.
This is slavery.
It's like when you see a 72 year old man working at burger king, and you think it's because they "want to" to stay busy. Thats not always so, many people don't make enough in retirement to make "enough" to live. That is forced slavery in my opinion. A 72 year old man who worked there whole life, should be able to live without worrying about where he is gonna live, or how he is going to eat.
I feel sorry that this happens. It makes me mad when people with money buy shit like ipods with diamonds all over them, or 1,000,000 dollar dresses, or 10,000,000 dollar house for a single person. I mean there are better options.
If you are rich, donate your Extra money instead of paying for crap like this. It's basically the rich enslaving the poor. And they say the system works. Sure it does. Sure it does. Keep telling yourselves that. We are all slaves. where is robin hood?
If I ever get rich, I am gonna donate whatever I make extra to charity. All I need is a place to live, my computer, food and transportation. Thats enough for me.
Rich people need to start living "efficiently". There is no reason 1 person needs a 20 bedroom house.
I'm done, I don't even want to think of this right now. It pisses me off. I grew up poor, and am still living week to week, and it makes me sick the way the world is. No wonder it is the way it is. When you look on tv and you see people killing each other. It's because of stuff like this.
I wouldn't say "Choose" more like Forced into slavery based on there situation. And to clarify, what I mean by that is, any situation where you are forced to do laber, because you can't afford to live otherwise, is slaver.
This is slavery.
It's like when you see a 72 year old man working at burger king, and you think it's because they "want to" to stay busy. Thats not always so, many people don't make enough in retirement to make "enough" to live. That is forced slavery in my opinion. A 72 year old man who worked there whole life, should be able to live without worrying about where he is gonna live, or how he is going to eat.
I feel sorry that this happens. It makes me mad when people with money buy shit like ipods with diamonds all over them, or 1,000,000 dollar dresses, or 10,000,000 dollar house for a single person. I mean there are better options.
If you are rich, donate your Extra money instead of paying for crap like this. It's basically the rich enslaving the poor. And they say the system works. Sure it does. Sure it does. Keep telling yourselves that. We are all slaves. where is robin hood?
If I ever get rich, I am gonna donate whatever I make extra to charity. All I need is a place to live, my computer, food and transportation. Thats enough for me.
Rich people need to start living "efficiently". There is no reason 1 person needs a 20 bedroom house.
I'm done, I don't even want to think of this right now. It pisses me off. I grew up poor, and am still living week to week, and it makes me sick the way the world is. No wonder it is the way it is. When you look on tv and you see people killing each other. It's because of stuff like this.
[citation][nom]dreamphantom_1977[/nom]It's like when you see a 72 year old man working at burger king, and you think it's because they "want to" to stay busy. Thats not always so, many people don't make enough in retirement to make "enough" to live. That is forced slavery in my opinion. A 72 year old man who worked there whole life, should be able to live without worrying about where he is gonna live, or how he is going to eat.[citation]
I agree with the rest of your post, but this one I don't. While there are exceptions, I don't believe an American's retirement finances are anyone's responsibility but their own. This example isn't slavery, its paying the price of poor planning.
However, your point about the Chinese is well made. Even if they aren't bought and sold like chattel, it is effectively slavery. Maybe a better term is indentured servitude.
I agree with the rest of your post, but this one I don't. While there are exceptions, I don't believe an American's retirement finances are anyone's responsibility but their own. This example isn't slavery, its paying the price of poor planning.
However, your point about the Chinese is well made. Even if they aren't bought and sold like chattel, it is effectively slavery. Maybe a better term is indentured servitude.
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