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Where's the guy who was insisting that flash memory wouldn't save power
over hard drives?

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1789189,00.asp

Appropriate quote:

"Samsung Semiconductor executives said Monday that the concept of a hard
drive incorporating flash memory will be a reality, and come to market
in mid-2006.

The drive, first talked about at last year's Windows Hardware
Engineering Conference (WinHEC) in Seattle, will be manufactured by
Samsung's hard disk drive division, according to the company. The drive
will be initially targeted at notebooks, where the drive's low power
consumption will yield the most benefit."

Wow, imagine that, flash memory saves power!?

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"Randy S." <rswittno@spamgmail.com> wrote in news:d4op10$l58$1
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> Where's the guy who was insisting that flash memory wouldn't save power
> over hard drives?

He wandered off after a week, like I predicted. Hopefully this won't wake
him back up, but if it does, he'll get bored again eventually.

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"Howard" <stile99@email.com.> wrote in message
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> "Randy S." <rswittno@spamgmail.com> wrote in news:d4op10$l58$1
> @spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu:
>
>> Where's the guy who was insisting that flash memory wouldn't save power
>> over hard drives?
>
> He wandered off after a week, like I predicted. Hopefully this won't wake
> him back up, but if it does, he'll get bored again eventually.

As long as your post doesn't contain certain keywords, he probably won't be
back. Make sure your posts don't contain the words "pow*er", "sur*ge" and
"dam*age" (asterisks put in to throw off search engine), he probably won't
find them.
 
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Seth wrote:
> "Howard" <stile99@email.com.> wrote in message
> news:Xns9645A2F58B2F5stile@129.250.170.81...
>
>> "Randy S." <rswittno@spamgmail.com> wrote in news:d4op10$l58$1
>> @spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu:
>>
>>> Where's the guy who was insisting that flash memory wouldn't save power
>>> over hard drives?
>>
>>
>> He wandered off after a week, like I predicted. Hopefully this won't
>> wake
>> him back up, but if it does, he'll get bored again eventually.
>
>
> As long as your post doesn't contain certain keywords, he probably won't
> be back. Make sure your posts don't contain the words "pow*er",
> "sur*ge" and "dam*age" (asterisks put in to throw off search engine), he
> probably won't find them.
>

Those are really odd things to get fixated on!?

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Randy S. wrote:
> "The drive will be initially targeted at notebooks, where the drive's
> low power consumption will yield the most benefit."
>
> Wow, imagine that, flash memory saves power!?

Yes, for typical workday non-video applications.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1585978,00.asp

"Filling up a 128-Mbyte flash chip may require writing to the disk
once every 11 minutes or so, in a worst-case scenario [on a laptop]."

A one-gigibit chip (128 megabytes) handles only 40 seconds at 3 MB/s.
-Joe
 
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"Randy S." <rswittNO@SPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> As long as your post doesn't contain certain keywords, he probably won't
>> be back. Make sure your posts don't contain the words "pow*er", "sur*ge"
>> and "dam*age" (asterisks put in to throw off search engine), he probably
>> won't find them.
>
> Those are really odd things to get fixated on!?

Do a search of his postings and you'll see. All over Usenet, when the
issues alluded to above come around, he's there to preach.
 
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Once upon a time, Seth <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> said:
>Do a search of his postings and you'll see. All over Usenet, when the
>issues alluded to above come around, he's there to preach.

Yep. Saw him here, then a couple of months later he popped into a local
(Huntsville, Alabama) newsgroup with the same messages. You forgot the
word "gr0und" BTW.
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"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Do a search of his postings and you'll see. All over Usenet, when the
> issues alluded to above come around, he's there to preach.

Is he always that mind-bogglingly wrong?

I mean...if I spent my time grepping the news spool for a certain subject,
I'd at least open a friggin' primer on the topic first, if not take pains to
familiarize myself with it.

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"Chris Adams" <cmadams@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
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> Once upon a time, Seth <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> said:
>>Do a search of his postings and you'll see. All over Usenet, when the
>>issues alluded to above come around, he's there to preach.
>
> Yep. Saw him here, then a couple of months later he popped into a local
> (Huntsville, Alabama) newsgroup with the same messages. You forgot the
> word "gr0und" BTW.

Well, that's his thing. Usually that word is absent in the original post
and he pops in to provide it.
 
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"Howard" <stile99@email.com.> wrote in message
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> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:c4Ybe.5$Ov7.0@news02.roc.ny:
>
>> Do a search of his postings and you'll see. All over Usenet, when the
>> issues alluded to above come around, he's there to preach.
>
> Is he always that mind-bogglingly wrong?
>
> I mean...if I spent my time grepping the news spool for a certain subject,
> I'd at least open a friggin' primer on the topic first, if not take pains
> to
> familiarize myself with it.

Most of what he says in regards to grounding and such in the satellite
newsgroups is correct, but I guess he saw his "keywords" here, saw this
group as a new frontier and went to town.
 
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Joe Smith wrote:
> Randy S. wrote:
>
>> "The drive will be initially targeted at notebooks, where the drive's
>> low power consumption will yield the most benefit."
>>
>> Wow, imagine that, flash memory saves power!?
>
>
> Yes, for typical workday non-video applications.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1585978,00.asp
>
> "Filling up a 128-Mbyte flash chip may require writing to the disk
> once every 11 minutes or so, in a worst-case scenario [on a laptop]."
>
> A one-gigibit chip (128 megabytes) handles only 40 seconds at 3 MB/s.
> -Joe

There's a reason it's a "hybrid" drive. Flash memory ain't quite up to
the task on it's own yet. One day . . . .

The new "perpindicular" HD's sound interesting though. Expect sizes
well above 500 GB next year.

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> There's a reason it's a "hybrid" drive. Flash memory ain't quite up to
> the task on it's own yet. One day . . . .
>
> The new "perpindicular" HD's sound interesting though. Expect sizes
> well above 500 GB next year.
>
> Randy S.

If I could only spell "perpendicular"!

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"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Chris Adams" <cmadams@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
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> > Once upon a time, Seth <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> said:
> >>Do a search of his postings and you'll see. All over Usenet, when the
> >>issues alluded to above come around, he's there to preach.
> >
> > Yep. Saw him here, then a couple of months later he popped into a local
> > (Huntsville, Alabama) newsgroup with the same messages. You forgot the
> > word "gr0und" BTW.
>
> Well, that's his thing. Usually that word is absent in the original post
> and he pops in to provide it.

Would this guy be an advocate of whole-house ummm, s***e pr0tection, by any
chance? If so, I think I remember him from about 3-5 years ago...wow.

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"machinehead" <zzz@zzz.com> wrote in message
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> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:p%Ybe.17901$V02.3995@fe08.lga...
>> "Chris Adams" <cmadams@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
>> news:1170l2b142u1f2@corp.supernews.com...
>> > Once upon a time, Seth <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> said:
>> >>Do a search of his postings and you'll see. All over Usenet, when the
>> >>issues alluded to above come around, he's there to preach.
>> >
>> > Yep. Saw him here, then a couple of months later he popped into a
>> > local
>> > (Huntsville, Alabama) newsgroup with the same messages. You forgot the
>> > word "gr0und" BTW.
>>
>> Well, that's his thing. Usually that word is absent in the original post
>> and he pops in to provide it.
>
> Would this guy be an advocate of whole-house ummm, s***e pr0tection, by
> any
> chance? If so, I think I remember him from about 3-5 years ago...wow.

The same.

But in all honesty, I am also a fan of "whole house s***e pr0tection", and
agree with him, at least on a technical level, that it is the way to go.

But, I'm no where near being in his league of fanaticism.
 
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"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The same.
>
> But in all honesty, I am also a fan of "whole house s***e pr0tection", and
> agree with him, at least on a technical level, that it is the way to go.
>
> But, I'm no where near being in his league of fanaticism.

Yeah, that about sums it up. Like, "ok guy, we beleive you, but calm down!"
:p

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machinehead wrote:
> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>The same.
>>
>>But in all honesty, I am also a fan of "whole house s***e pr0tection", and
>>agree with him, at least on a technical level, that it is the way to go.
>>
>>But, I'm no where near being in his league of fanaticism.
>
>
> Yeah, that about sums it up. Like, "ok guy, we beleive you, but calm down!"
> :p
>
> Ed
> 84HurstOlds@nowherenow.com
>
>

What mystified me was when he branched off into whole other levels of
topics he clearly did not have an understanding of. The odd thing was
that his central tenet wasn't wrong (though over the top), but he
presented it so wacky!

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* Seth wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

[...]

> But in all honesty, I am also a fan of "whole house s***e pr0tection", and
> agree with him, at least on a technical level, that it is the way to go.

> But, I'm no where near being in his league of fanaticism.

I added Light*ing protection AND WHSP when the house down the street was
burned down by a strike. North Texas is higlhy susceptible to mass
strikes and I had just bought my house months before. $3500 well spent.

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Jeff Rife wrote:
> Randy S. (rswittNO@SPAMgmail.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
>>There's a reason it's a "hybrid" drive. Flash memory ain't quite up to
>>the task on it's own yet. One day . . . .
>
>
> It will also only work in a notebook, where performance is usually traded
> for speed. Flash memory that handles current performance hard drive
> transfer speeds (20-40MB/sec) is *expensive*, and there is nothing that
> can match the 40-60MB/sec of high-performance drives.

No question. This is definitely "future-tech" as far as very
cost-sensitive applications go.

>>The new "perpindicular" HD's sound interesting though. Expect sizes
>>well above 500 GB next year.
>
>
> But we *still* won't be able to use them in our TiVos. Unless TiVo makes
> some massive changes to the MFS file system, the 300-350GB range is the
> most it can handle on a single drive.
>

Really? What is the limiting factorin the MFS file system? I know the
LBA48 addressing scales up a lot.

Randy S.
 
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