FOX: Repeat File Sharers Should Have Internet Cut

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It was a good article until the last sentence "Piracy is bad, but gouging the consumer is even worse."

What a stupid comment...

So, stealing a (car, movie, pack of gum) is bad, but not as bad as if I think it's priced too high? Huh? Who's sticking a gun to my head and forcing me to buy it?

Gouging is when you have NO CHOICE... and even when it is real gouging, it is NOT in the same ballpark as STEALING.

You pirates will one day pay a price for your stealing, in this life or the next. Doesn't matter whether you're stealing from the rich or the poor, the good or the bad, stealing is stealing, period.

Please, at least, just admit it. Don't make up such silly justifications as "gouging is worse." How pathetic.
 
[citation][nom]brendano257[/nom]The problem here is that the ISP's don't care as long as you pay your bills, HOWEVER, all of a sudden they care when they get a letter from the MPAA or RIAA saying they want XXX million dollars, or the names of people pirating on they're connections. This is the problem.[/citation]

Again, the government cannot force them to track their customers anymore than a gun salesman can track their own. They can report their sales and who they're customers are, but they can't force a company to blacklist their customers and report little johnny. This will result in a very disputeable Big Brother case.

Not too mention that you can only track the connection, not who is actually on the other line. People steal wireless all over the place and they expect to be able to track exactly who was doing what? The realism of this just isn't there.
 
Jim Gianopulos, you hapless, overpaid idiot, exactly what is to stop me from pirating to my hearts content using someone else's wi-fi? Hell, if I cared, I'd find out where you live and pirate terabytes worth of crap using YOUR wi-fi connection? Oh, what's that? Your wi-fi connection is encrypted? Ok, so it takes me a day or two to break that (less if you're using WEP). All that means is that you won't have an alibi when your Internet gets disconnected.

Seriously, though... all this kind of idiotic legislation would do is encourage people to take wi-fi borrowing/hijacking to a whole new level.
 
I love how Fox ,along with nearly every other corporation, claims piracy is the biggest threat to the film industry while providing no references or proof for that accusation. Try making a couple films that don't completely suck for a change, then maybe you'll make some money.
 
Umm!, I didn't see Twilight in the theater, I shared it, and yet it made Domestic Total Gross: $192,769,854, and $192,227,954, for a total of $384,997,808. Not counting rentals, dvd sales, and residuals. Hmmm!, maybe I should share more just to help the studios out.
 
I guess they missed the Memmo.. 2 tickets to see movieX= $20, 1 popcorn + pop=$15, Hastle of going to movie, gas, aggravation and shitty seats=$5, Waiting the 3months and rent it for $1 at the red box, SOLD!!!!!

Piracy is not even close to being the number 1 killer of the motion pictures profit.. HORRIBLE MOVIES that cost $40 for 2 people to see. VERSUS we have Blueray at $79 (walmart) 1080p tv's at $400 and basic sound surround at $150= MUCH better experience.
First movie companies want us to SEE IT,
Second RENT IT
Third Purchase it.
Im sorry, but $40+$1 (rent) + Purchase $20,, sorry pal, but $60 for a movie , is kinda too steep for meh.. I rather just rent the thing for $1.. ON TOP OF THIS, HOW ABOUT MAKING SOME KILLER MOVIES instead of some of the garbage as of late
 
I think this is funny. We have a bad economy with job losses and the CEO tries to hit it home saying that because he loses a few dollars it hits everyone. What a load of crap. What, did Mr CEO have to get a smaller personal jet this year because of the "losses" caused by piracy? Exactly, BS.
 
I haven't seen a new movie WORTH EVER STEALING.. Your movies and shows suck no one is pirating your programming... Netflix is deal cause you get to sift threw the crap...
 
[citation][nom]ruffhouseutah[/nom]IYou pirates will one day pay a price for your stealing, in this life or the next. Doesn't matter whether you're stealing from the rich or the poor, the good or the bad, stealing is stealing, period.Please, at least, just admit it. Don't make up such silly justifications as "gouging is worse." How pathetic.[/citation]

Good thing that piracy isn't stealing, but copying. Put it down as plagiarism if you like, but the one thing piracy isn't is theft.

You also forgot to mention the increased exposure that piracy brings. Let's not forget a leveled playing field for the consumer (record companies expect me to pay money for 192kbps MP3 download when I can get FLAC for free? I'll just but the album to get WAV...Oh wait, I can't, they don't sell it anymore).

Piracy isn't the problem. The problem is the failure of the RIAA, MPAA and Fox to adapt to something that is greater than themselves; the internet.
 
i guess the CEO of FOX can issue that statement cause she's loaded.. Put her in my shoes, as a student earning the national minimum wage. I can bet that she would resort to piracy too.. Unless they start revising the prices for movies, blu-ray and etc, piracy is going to continue. Also, their policy on not allowing people who BOUGHT the movie to back it up onto another media isnt helping either.
 
One of the major problem that US companies have is that many of the sites that host tracker information, for example, are in other countries where it is often difficult to shut down violators. Of course, we recently had the case of Pirate Bay being a win for the prosecution, but there are far more sites in China, the former Soviet Union, and other countries where there is less interest in prosecuting groups.

As someone says in another thread, a large part of the problem is that many people who download pirated material can't pay for the material they're downloading, and therefore the argument about lost revenue is moot, since they would never be paying customers in the first place.

I like a great deal of music, bought a lot of albums years ago, and still do purchase a good lot of my collection. But sometimes I am introduced to a new singer somewhere, and I'm not sure if I like them enough to purchase more of their music. So I will find a copy of one of their songs, download it, and either enjoy it enough to make a purchase, or write them off.

For me, though, my greatest passion is classic (or not so classic) old TV shows, which are not available on DVD, and likely never will be. I have a very large wish list over at tvshowsondvd.com which gives me announcements when shows finally make it, at which time I will replace mediocre downloaded shows with bright, crisp and clear legal copies. But for some, this improvement will never happen, and I will have to live with so-so copies instead.

What a lot of people out in the world don't know is how to find authentic, low-cost material, though, something that is endlessly infuriating. Those of us who have been on the net for many years (I've been on over 20 years) know more of the ways to find legitimate things like shareware, freeware, demos, TV shows streamed online, free movies (Michael Moore, for example, has had several films offered free to download) and other places that are sponsored by the originators of the product. IIRC, Paul McCartney has offered several songs online to download, Pearl Jam, and many techno bands and budding singers also do so.

There isn't a manual for finding this stuff online, so doing so requires a higher learning curve for those more technologically challenged folks. Perhaps those who want to punish dowloaders could come up with solutions to aid people who want legal downloads--but if there continues to be nothing but a hostile attitude with no desire to help internet users, there will be continued railing against the arrogant companies who want to tell off all the users online.

Just my 2 cents.
 
I've downloaded plenty, and I'm on the side of downloaders, but you best get ready. The entertainment industry can do what they damn well please. Like it or not, P2P file sharing is coming to an end.

ISPs are already being forced to rat out downloaders, and will be forced to cut off internet access for repeat offenders before much longer.

I received a warning last week, and called my ISP. They said that a second offense would get my internet cut off for a month. A third offense would cost me three months, and a fourth offense would get me cut off for good.

You can change to another ISP, but they'll track you down and shut you off, again and again. And yes, it is unconstitutional, but our government will do it anyway, and they'll get away with it. They always do.

Its just a matter of time, folks...
 
Man mgilbert. Which ISP is that? I'll be sure not to subscribe. File sharing itself doesn't prove illegal activity. It's a big lawsuit waiting to happen. And the copyright owners are going to lose. I think most ISP's don't really care, it's the antipiracy ring that's pressuring them. They monitor your computer and send these notices to your ISP. Your ISP then has to send you a notice so they aren't legally responsible for the possible illegal content.
Your wrong. File sharing will always exist. Possibly not en-mass like it is now, but it will always be a driving force.
People forget that technology advances as quickly as laws come in place. There will always be easier ways to stay anonymous to even your ISP and everybody else. There will be a few who are caught, there always will be. But they are such the minority it doesn't really affect anything. I don't think our good United States or any other country can afford to put half their population behind bars. They'll also need to hire more judges.
I agree there's a moral issue with file sharing copyrighted content. But if you can't afford the movie anyway, and your giving free advertising to the companies by increasing awareness. That to me sounds like increased sales, not decreased.

I own many hundreds of DVD's. And you know what? There's that many more to buy. But most movies aren't really worth it anymore. After getting a couple hundred of them and buying literally 10 complete TV shows on DVD, I can honestly say I've already purchased everything I want.

It can also be easily argued that spending all your money on DVD's and not enough on housing and clothing and food is a moral issue as well. Hollywood will have lots of money but house developers and grocery stores will have less. You've got to spend your money somewhere regardless of what you spend it on. Most people can't help spending all their money on something, because they don't have alot. So how his spending all your money hurting overall business growth either from Hollywood, or housing companies?
 
@mgilbert

Ever heard of a proxy? Run all of your connections thru a site which does not keep logs past your login time. All your ISP will ever see is your connection to the proxy: they can't differentiate between P2P / FTP / HTTP etc. connections because all the connections look the same.

Just because your local ISPs can be scared into submission doesn't mean all providers (especially those outside your local jurisdiction) can be.
 
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