[citation][nom]The Greater Good[/nom]I really wish manufacturing jobs would come back to the US. Yes, things would cost more (the only downside... but jobs would be created meaning more tax revenue and people spending their paychecks on goods and services. That leads to more jobs being created and thus continuing the process.[/citation]
the iphone costs 27$ to assemble, and is 180 in parts alone, correct?
how much more would it cost to assemble in america, on a per phone basis? 10-20$ more?
apple sells the cheapest ones at what 400-500$
they could eat the cost if they wanted to and still pull a massive profit, and on top of that, get tremendous amounts of pr for bringing back american manufacturing.
but they probably cant police a factory in america like they can in china.
[citation][nom]scuba dave[/nom]Yes, building something with quality in mind is very difficult compared to the normal, subpar crap that comes out of china and the like.[/citation]
if you want it made good they will make it good, if you want it cheap they will cut corners. and its a fact that most people outsource to china to cut a corner.
[citation][nom]macewrox[/nom]Unless we get rid of unions for good, business will never bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA. Companies are not going to pay people $32 an hour plus health benefits to work an assembly line job.Unions had their uses back in the days of big business, but now they're killing industry.[/citation]
actually, an assembly line job is more like 10-15$ an hour. and benefits very from company to company. unions suck, but its not a black and white issue, especially considering that id a operation could pay you less than minimum wage, they would, they only pay you more when competition will pay you more too. some jobs, like electricians DESERVE more money because of how inherently dangerous that job is and how good it needs to be done. and good teachers also deserve a hell of allot more than they get.
[citation][nom]rotsae[/nom]If all they ever make was crap and the product break so fast, why do you guys still buy them. And before you say you are one of those people that don't buy anything made in China. Take one minute and look around you. Yes it shocking how stupid you are. I am stupid too because I am trying to telling people to not be a bias a-hole on the internet. Silly me.[/citation]
i PERSONALLY research if a product is good or not before i buy them. like my sd card, kingston japan makes higher quality cards than any other section, so i bought mine from there. i also have some china made things but they are all good products. generic china made things, do tend to break sooner than anywhere else though, because they do cut corners.
[citation][nom]jgalecio[/nom]No homey why screw China? Its Apples gay ass that decided to send American jobs over seas for cheaper production. So please don't go blaming people who, just like us Americans, are trying to live and feed a family and keep a dream. Its greedy ass corporate American that should be black balled for sending jobs outside the US while American people get screwed with low paying jobs and unemployment. Because heaven forbid if a company assembled their products here and it cost $400 to make rather than $80 and only make a $200+ profit rather than a $600+ profit...[/citation]
if those numbers were anywhere near close, than i would be with corporate side, but they arent. at most it would cost another 20-40$ an ipod/pad
[citation][nom]K2N hater[/nom]Without unions you'd be working for 16h a day and earn less than half... Just like in China.[/citation]
no.... you wouldn't. you would work cheaper, but not butt@#$@ cheaper. people who work non union tend to make more money than union, however if they get benefits and job security is another question altogether.
[citation][nom]sykozis[/nom]Unions bankrupted General Motors and Chrysler both...as well as poor management of both companies.Ford Motor Company closed the Norfolk, Va assembly plant because they were "forced" to pay employees $32 - $58 per hour, depending on job, plus provide health, dental, vision and disability (short and long term) as well as accidental death insurance. GM has been "forced" to provide their employees with the same benefits....which cost into the billions. Plus GM pays retired employees their full salary + raises as "forced" by the UAW. Unions use forms of extortion to get what they want.....funny, Extortion is against US law.....but Unions are permitted to openly commit to it. Companies are permitted to have "anti-union" policies.....but they're required to be "closed-door" policies, meaning they can't require a "non-union agreement", nor can they request that you sign one at any point. In "right to work" states, you can actually be fired for joining a union or attempting to form a union, so long as that isn't stated as the reason for termination.[/citation]
that couldnt have anything to do with the recession, and the fact cars are made so good that they can last 20+ years without any SERIOUS (costs more then buying a new car) money needing to be put into them.
and those per hours you quoted, aren't assembly line hour wages, those are electrician wages. and death insurance, even without union, a wrongfull death could easily cost more than the insurance.
[citation][nom]greenrider02[/nom]If GM was making quality vehicles that they could sell for a reasonable price, then they wouldn't have had to file for bankruptcy, the union situation hasn't changed.. the managment has, because now they're selling better cars for better prices and actually making money.The problem was that US automakers thought they could just cruise along while foreign competitors kept innovating and making better cars... so blame the unions if you want, but try to look at some other factors too[/citation]
made in america doesnt mean anything when you charge such a high premium for it and it a well made foreign car can be built as good and sold cheaper (obscenely cheaper, like if unions didn't exist, and we @#$@ emploies on pay, they still wouldn't be cheaper)
[citation][nom]macewrox[/nom]Yes. And now that laws are set for all of those sorts of problems (Because of unions) their cause is moot.They have no reason to exist right now except for the blue collar worker's greed. If you want to make $32 an hour, go to college, or learn a real trade or profession.[/citation]
don't non union jobs also pay minimum wage, and force you to work harder than most union jobs, because they can? also didnt some non union emplyers not pay overtime, while forcing emploies to work 80 hour shifts (ea a few years back, mcdonalds today, and also walmart has had these problems). unions force corpreate greed back.
and so you know what i mean about corporate greed, mcdonalds gave out such big bonuses one year to the hq emploies, that if they shared the wealth, they could have more than doubled what people who work there are payed. (as in in the 30-40$ range) and they get away with that crap because we preceve the people working there are kids (what sick @$#^ that we think its ok to @$#% kids over on jobs) when most of the people working there are adults who have no other options. also, they forced unpayed overtime on people durring rush hours, and if you left like you are legally allowed to, you can kiss your job good by because they will find someone who would work unpayed to keep the job.
[citation][nom]mmm2000[/nom]And the iPad will cost you $2000 instead of $500 ![/citation]
no, but yes at the same time, the made in america lable would be enough for apple to justify a price hike even if they still would pull a profit.
[citation][nom]gamerk316[/nom]No, they AGREED to pay those wages with the Union. Ford was (and still is) free to force new agreements once its contract expires. So don't blame the Union if Ford was willing to overpay for labor peace.[/citation]
agree to pay us this or we strike...
you kind of see why they payed that much, but like i said, there is no why that assembly line prices.
[citation][nom]alyon[/nom]To be fair the union vs management went from, "very strong man playing tug of war with a weaker man" to what it has been for well over a decade at "very strong man playing tug of war with his wife." He is put into a lose lose situation. Either he let's her win and maybe has sex that night or he wins and has guarenteed no sex.That's what's wrong. It is and has been not balanced and the wage payer should always have more power.[/citation]
wage payer should have no power once they go corporate, look at what most corporations do and you can see why.
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