Google Dumps Windows Due to China Hack?

[gwwerner]

Now the next google gets hacked,and there will be a next time, all the apple fanboys will stop telling us how secure OS X is. Not really, but it's nice to dream.

 

[Guest]

I get viruses all th time on my unix box (mac , ubuntu) mind you they cannot do anything. they just go onward to the Winblowz computers to mess them.
Google did the right thing.. Windows is not secure by the way the operating system works and was designed. not secure is by default = windows.
Smart move by Goggle.

 

[False_Dmitry_II]

[citation][nom]regulas[/nom]Keep dreaming MS fanboy, OS X and Linux are both built on the UNIX foundation and are inherently more secure than DOS with a GUI.Good move Google.[/citation]

Not only are you wrong about windows: every windows newer and including XP has not been command-line based at all. But also linux is indeed still a terminal with an x-org GUI.

 

[wotan31]

[citation][nom]dameon51[/nom]http://www.tomshardware.com/news/p [...] ,9557.htmlTheir market share is too small. 10% of the PC market isn't worth the effort.[/citation]
Their market share is irrelevant - it's UNIX. BSD UNIX, with a pretty GUI. Look at current market share for web servers on the internet today. Apache is #1. Look at current market share for internet facing mail servers. Sendmail is #1. Nobody runs Apache or Sendmail on Windows, it's all run on UNIX. OSX is POSIX compliant, which makes it a true UNIX, not a clone like Linux. Sorry, but the market share argument just doesn't hold water. Knock knock. Who's that? Oh, it's 2002. They want their tired old arguments back.

 

[Guest]

Actually.. I must say that the Unix operating system is in use at least 10 times more than Winblows. What? how can I say such a thing. Try looking at your modem, your router, your fridge and even your TV.. daam.. such a useful OS.. daam.. no viruses..
Don't get me wrong. there are viruses out there for all Computers. The difference however is security. Unix you need to be root to do damage. Windows you can be any level user to do damage.. such is the lack of security in Winblowz.
Not to say that this is a problem.. Computer OS's were designed to work at there intended function. Unfortunately Microsoft was not prepared enough and did not make the right decisions to make Winblowz secure. They are trying now mind you.. but still no cigar.
The real problem at the moment is the MS-fanboys wishing something that Windows is not.

 

[matt87_50]

lol yeah, and good luck getting anything productive done on Macs too as developers. our games company has had to start using macs for iphone dev, and they are universally hated. I can't believe Google would be this stupid. Windows is widely regarded as the most secure OS, its just hackers target it the most. it makes NO sense to change to OSX for that reason, if hackes have a reason to target Google, you will find out quickly how easily it is hacked. linux on the other hand, especially a secret CUSTOM distro by Google, could prove better, as hackers wouldn't know what they were targeting.

 

[wotan31]

[citation][nom]matt87_50[/nom]Windows is widely regarded as the most secure OS[/citation]
BWAHahahahahahahahaa!!! -deep breath- AHhhahahahahahahaaa!!! Now that is comedy!! The sad thing though, is that you probably actually believe that. Hahahahahahahaaa!!!!1

 

[orionantares]

Linux can go either way on security when compared to Windows, it depends a lot on the developers. And apparently, just to prove that point Apple created the black-box, swiss cheese version of linux with less security than a DOS-based Windows OS.

 

[Guest]

>>Windows is widely regarded as the most secure OS

yeah... I just fell off my chair laughing. Heck, IN WHICH UNIVERSE do you live? Do you know Linux, worked on it, have a technical certification? Know Windows? Used it and worked professionally on it? Ever tried to fix your aunts or friends Windows bucket, after it got possessed by 10 competing viruses? Had to reinstall after everything had to be cut out (lungs, liver, heart)?

Your comment really made my day.
It was so funny and unreal. So, Windows is widely regarded as the most secure OS? By WHO???

;-)
Or is Marketing and PR in your universe the same at the truth?

*calming down and catching my breath from laughing before*

 

[Guest]

It doesn't matter what you use... if it's out of date it's vulnerable. As for which is more secure, again it's all abou the user. The biggest threat is what the person in front of the keyboard is going to do. Saying that Windows gets viruses because people surf to sites with viruses is like saying a car runs out of gas when I turn it on and run it. The "typical" home user isn't nearly as careful about security as say an IT pro might be. It makes sense that no matter what they use, those platforms would experience higher than average levels of infection and issues, regardless of who made the OS.

Looking through vulnerability databases I work with, Windows does indeed have far more, but then again, linux hasn't gone through the same scrutiny. As more and more agencies start using it, it's going to be poured through just like Windows, who actually develops code with NSA involvement. Everytime a new update comes out, there are more and more linux and Apache vulnerabilities, just like Windows. Also, this has more to do I think with desktop OS's. Server 2008 is a vast improvement security wise, at least for now, I'm sure we'll see a lot of things come out about it as well, but it was by far the easiest OS to setup out of the box from a security standpoint than 2000 or 03 were.

So yes, 2002 may want it's arguement back, but it's still relevant, regardless of wether you think it is or not.

 

[yoinks]

If they are eventually going to migrate to Chrome OS, why invest in Mac machines now? Will they be able to run Chrome on a Mac?

 

[Camikazi]

[citation][nom]regulas[/nom]Keep dreaming MS fanboy, OS X and Linux are both built on the UNIX foundation and are inherently more secure than DOS with a GUI.Good move Google.[/citation]
Mac OS is the FIRST one to get hacked every year at Pwn2Own and other events. Yea secure right...

 

[Camikazi]

[citation][nom]wotan31[/nom]Sorry guys but OSX is more secure than Windows. Period. It has been on the market for TEN YEARS now. Yes, TEN YEARS. And every single year, everyone cries wolf and says "it's only a matter of time before the viruses come to Mac!" Well... where are they? What, ten years isn't enough exposure? -rolleyes-[/citation]
Ten years and sill not worth a hackers time to hack since it has less then 10% market share. That is why nothing has happened yet, not enough targets to make hacking it worth the trouble. If they get a sizable market share they will become viable targets, and people will see why Mac OS is the first OS hacked into at hackers convention every year.

 

[del35]

"Google = probably the worse thing to happen to the internet ever"

Without proper competition your statement is likely true; and so far it has none. Most of Google's competitors were driven under by the hype surrounding Google, or are too weak now. I am especially concerned about Google's data gathering frenzy and the fact that it has gained almost complete dominance in the internet. It might not be too long before Google turns against the people and starts censoring the internet. This has already happened with some papers in Google News.

I will add however that I have no reason to hate Google so far, but I am a concerned watcher of Google, very concerned.

 

[Mike00]

LOL well I guess they don't follow the PWN2OWN competitions, Mac OS is usually the first to be hacked LOL.

 

[Mike00]

[citation][nom]wotan31[/nom]Sorry guys but OSX is more secure than Windows. Period. It has been on the market for TEN YEARS now. Yes, TEN YEARS. And every single year, everyone cries wolf and says "it's only a matter of time before the viruses come to Mac!" Well... where are they? What, ten years isn't enough exposure? -rolleyes-[/citation]

LOL Apparently Macs are easier to hack, but the reason why they are still recomended is, the market is so small, no hacker really cares. Spyware, Malware and other trojans are made to make money with advertising popup crap, why waste time on 10% of the market when you can do it for close to 90%?

If you remember there was a Mac commercial from those Hi I'm a Man and I'm a PC that said we don't get viruses, it was removed from the air in 2 days because someone released a virus for Mac just to shut them up.

Any who, check this out:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/pwn2own-winner-says-macs-are-more-safe-though-less-secure.ars

They still recomend Mac OS only because the hackers don't have interested, and if they were interested, it would be a lot easier.

Remember this, if a company gets attacked a lot, it gives them a chance to fix their issues, if they don't, how are they suppose to know they have the issues to begin with, some food for thought.

 

[v1ze]

[citation][nom]bison88[/nom]Mac OS more secure? Not according to a well known hacker Marc Maiffret who recently interviewed on Cnet.

Are they on par as far as code?Maiffret: I think Microsoft does a better job with their code auditing than folks like Apple do. We've only seen a scratching of the surface as far as Apple vulnerabilities because nobody cares to find them. There's nothing inherent with Apple themselves and their development. The only reason Apple gets little increase in security is because they're running on top of a Unix-based operating system and they can take advantage of some of the things that have been done for them.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3- [...] ?tag=mncol[/citation]
All that quote says is Apple doesn't require as much development and auditing of code to keep Mac OS secure because it's based on UNIX. Where in that quote does it say Mac OS is less secure?

 

[Guest]

Their switch is intentionally to invite attacks so they can learn to fend off the same attacks in their own software.

 

[eddieroolz]

Yeah, blame another company for the attacks, Google. Because it isn't your fault that you didn't secure the computers. Because UNIX is apparently unhackable. eh? /sarcasm