Integrated graphics for $1,000?!?!

KublaiKhan

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I'd like to get laptop capable of running games that are out today.

I've been stymied by the way marketing is inflating prices left and right, trying to sell to people who don't know what a good computer is. I saw laptops with integrated graphics selling for a grand. What could they possibly put into a laptop without discrete graphics to justify that kind of price?

I remember mocking the overpriced thin laptops years ago, but marketing seems to be blowing all prices sky high—not just those thin ones. I'm not sure you can even get a laptop with a graphics card for less than a grand these days.

Going back to the early 1990's, a great desktop has always been available for $2,000. Through the years, that hasn't changed—two grand will still get an awesome desktop computer. Laptop prices, on the other hand, are insane. Hardware is being removed while prices climb up. It's a marketing feeding frenzy out there! Throw some shiny stickers on a turd and you'll make bank!

Before marketing started to run with the concept of "gaming" and "thin" laptops, you could get a laptop with a good graphics card for several hundred. Today? No DVD, maybe no hard drive. Little 256GB SSD. A part of my soul is dying right now....

And integrated graphics for a grand? What is happening to the world?

While I once bought a great HP Pavillion for a few hundred (it could play Oblivion at a time my old desktop could not), their Omen line seems insanely overpriced—old tech melded with modern prices.

Just had to get the crushing weight off my chest. Peace be with you!

 

jaslion

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I think you are just looking for at the wrong products. Like this dell is not expensive at all and a good laptop.
https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-7567-Laptop-i5-7300HQ/dp/B07793DRK9
 

jaguarskx

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Depends on which laptop you were looking at and the purpose / design of the laptop as well.

Yes, there are indeed laptops selling for around $1,000 or more that only relies on integrated graphics. But the focus of those laptops are likely CPU performance and portability, not playing games. Examples include the Dell XPS 13 and the Razer Blade Stealth.
 

KublaiKhan

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Checked the local Best Buy. Wow. Integrated graphics for $2,000! But you can pick the color of your laptop! I don't believe I saw a single laptop with discrete graphics. My mistake, they had models with the GeForce 130 and 150. Between $1200 and $2500. So much for buying local.
 

hang-the-9

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/06/22/cost-of-a-computer-the-year-you-were-born/36156373/

What laptop could you get for a few hundred with a good video card? Here is an add for a Dell XPS "Starting" at $2,700



Here is one for $550, about the same price as a mainstream system now



This is a 1990s laptop, you had one of those? If you played Oblivion on it, that was mid 2000s.



No DVD drives is because very few people still use them, removing them saves space and wasted battery power. SSD sizes, yes the standard for cheaper systems is 250 GB ones, but the gaming setups with those drives often come with a secondary standard 1 TB or lager drive.

Whatever HP laptop you bought for a few hundred was used, no new laptop ever past the cheapest models cost a few hundred. Which is the same price as you would pay now for low end laptops.
 

hang-the-9

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Not sure what you are looking at, just looked at the Best Buy site, you can get a full on gaming laptop with a Core i7 CPu and 16 GB of RAM for $1,200 and a lot of mainstream systems for $500 or less. Of 21 pages of laptops with integrated graphics at Best Buy, only the last page has $2,000 systems that are premium systems with 4k screens, i7 CPUs, larger SSDs. I can pickup 16 laptops today in my area with up to a 1070 video card. You should focus on something else.

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KublaiKhan

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I walked into the local Best Buy. I was not shopping online. The store had a lot of netbooks, convertibles, and some Apple stuff. Surface machines were prominent. Rigs with GeForce 130 and 150 GPUs struck me with their prices. And I found the prices of other rigs with integrated graphics simply laughable. I feel they're marketed to people who don't know what they're buying. But then, I'm not a millionaire, as most of you surely are.

The HP Pavillion dv6-1362 I bought my wife back in '05 or '06 is still going strong, though we only use it for web browsing these days. As I said, it ran Oblivion at a time my three-year-old desktop could not manage a decent frame rate. We paid $800, but could have had it for around $600 if we had been better shoppers.

Always thought Dells were overpriced.

That said, I'm surprised no one else recognizes hyperinflation in the laptop market. Two grand gets a hot desktop, but not an equal laptop? This is more worrisome when you consider the hardware being removed from these machines as prices continue climbing. Then again, I'm not a millionaire.

I settled on an MSI GL6VR 7RFX-1008. The screen is smaller than I'd prefer, but it's not for me, anyway. Seventh generation Intel, rather than eighth, but it has enough RAM, a 1060, 6GB of VRAM, a hard drive and an SSD. Seems good enough as a gift.

Don't think I'd buy myself a "gaming" laptop—too expensive. I'd do a desktop, instead. I wouldn't mind a laptop for web browsing and light gaming (if it ran Skyrim, that would likely be good enough for me). I wouldn't pay two grand for just that, even if I could pick the color.
 

jaguarskx

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I was in Best Buy not too long ago (2 weeks maybe). Went there to buy a mouse, but I decided to browse the laptops. There were no sales going on at the time that I can remember and they definitely had laptops with at least a GTX 1050 r less than $2,000. Which models? I cannot say since I was only browsing and not looking to make any specific laptop purchase.
 

KublaiKhan

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You were likely not in my shithole of a town. We don't even rank a full-sized Best Buy, but one of the smaller builds. Place used to be packed, and they used to have a lot of computers, but the local economy has tanked and they are just hanging on. I imagine that's why their laptops are priced and marketed the way they are—to oblivious out-of-towners dropping their kids off at the local university.

The most powerful graphics card I saw at our Best Buy was the GeForce 150. The local Walmart has better computers, including low-end "gaming" machines, which is also where I was introduced to $1,000 integrated graphics.

All I can say is, "Fish, meet hook."
 

hang-the-9

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So you are basically complaining because a small Best Buy store near you does not have high end gaming laptops? As you already saw with many examples, there are hundreds of laptop options for all sorts of prices. Laptops have gotten cheaper, not more expensive, especially for the power you get for the price. Just because you have some premium systems and smaller selection in your area does not mean anything for the general market.

If you are comparing prices for laptops vs desktops, well, that has been the case forever. If you build your own desktop you can save a lot of money vs buying a laptop. Again, that has nothing to do with the laptop prices or availability, you are comparing known things that anyone that does 10 minutes of research can find out.

I don't complain because my local super market does not have 5 selections of truffles that I can find in Manhattan stores or that normal mushrooms are so much cheaper so why are truffles there for so much more?
 

xravenxdota

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@ hang-the-9.

That's not always the case.Here in south africa laptops are way overpriced.A laptop with a 1060 can go up to 30k.With that money i can buy 2 1060 desktop pc's with far superior specs.

 

hang-the-9

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Regional prices makes things different, outside the US computer part prices can vary a between countries due to tariffs, import duties, taxes, exchange rates, etc.. An imported laptop that comes in your country may have a 50% tax/tariff on it, while a component for a desktop may not.
 

KublaiKhan

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The Best Buy in question underwent layout and inventory changes, and now has actual gaming laptops. I was looking hard at a MSI GS65 Stealth, but read the included RAM does not actually operate at the advertised 2600MHz speed. There were other things, such as "gaming" desktops with single sticks of RAM and obviously bottom-shelf video cards that told me it could be a mistake to buy there. I'll likely go to Fry's tomorrow, looking for yet another laptop for someone else.
 

Emeryy

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hate to say it but the Walmart Overpowered laptop with an i7-8750H, gtx 1060, 32gb RAM, and a 144hz display is on a rollback for $999 and is a crazy deal for what it is
 
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