Maxxum 7D rebate

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I knew that the G optics referred to their professional glass, and
assumed that at the price of 409.00 that the 28-75 wasn't in that
category. This is why I was somewhat startled to see Adorama list it as
a G lens, thus leading to my question.
As far as the guidebook, if it came with my 7D it must have been on the
CD (which is presently hiding somewhere.) But Minolta's website
(http/kmpi.konicaminolta.us/eprise/main/kmpi/Content/cam/cam_Attachments/Maxxum_Lenses)
lists several lenses as being discontinued, the 85/1.4 being one of
them. And it seems that most online stores have that item listed as
back-ordered. Of course, I have no clue when KM last updated this list.
And yes, if you'd be so kind I would like it if you would email a copy
of the 7D catalog to me.
Thanks,
Mike

 

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Mike Owens wrote:

> I just purchased the 28-75/2.8 D using my rebate ($150 since I bought
> it in Dec). It should arrive in a few days. Would you happen to know,
> other than FL, what the difference between this new lens and your 28-70
> is? I would have thought it was the G optics, but Adorama lists the
> 28-75 as a G lens also. Could be a typo I suppose. B&H only says it's a
> D lens.

G (in Minolta) refers to their professional glass in the last few years
(See Minolta text below). Usually APO, The "D" refers to ADI (flash
integration using focus distance as a strong weight in the flash
exposure (rather than reflected light)).

So a lens can be both G and D.

The new 28-75 f/2.8 is NOT designated "G" in the Konica-Minolta 7D
guidebook. The older 28-70 f/2.8 is a "G".

>
> Also, I'd think the 85/1.4 would be a good portrait lens for the 7D. Of
> course, KM lists it as discontinued, so finding one...

Do they? It's in my 7D catalog (Guidebook, I'll e-mail the pdf to you
if you like, it's a nice resource to have).

Minolta "G" definition: "G-Series Lenses
G-Series AF lenses stand out for the
distinctive level of image quality and
photographic performance they provide
serious photographers. Circular aperture
design, double floating and floating focusing
systems, AD (Anomalous Dispersion) glass,
aspherical lens elements and a focus-hold
button, are advanced G-Series design
features that help produce a unique soft and
natural defocusing effect, as well as enabling
you to take truly high quality photos with the
sharpness and vividness you expect."

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Alan Browne wrote:
> Hard to believe they discontinue the 85 f/1.4 but
> come out with a new version of the 600 f/4...

Sometimes you have to wonder about the Mind Of Minolta, even though I
wouldn't trade my equipment.

And thanks for the guide.
Mike

 

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Alan Browne wrote:

> Jer wrote:
>
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>> Jer wrote:
>>>
>>>> I still have (along with the film backs), I'll admit I may help them
>>>> turn things around by a count of 1.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Given my experience with the camera with esp. the 100 f/2.8 and
>>> 80-200 f/2.8 you won't be sorry. I'm not totally enthuses with the
>>> 28-70 /2.8 results so far, but this ain't bad:
>>> http/www.aliasimages.com/images/KM7D/BirchBarkSnow.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the followup, Alan, looks as though you and I have had
>> similar tastes in glass. I also have a 135 f/2.8 that has a lot of
>> portrait miles on it, so my curiosity will be adding a few more. I'll
>> have to see if my local shop has a 7D available for adoption this week.
>
>
> Shooting portraits with the 100 f/2.8 (on the 7D) is difficult at best
> in my small studio (living room), unless you have lots of room the 135
> is going to be quite difficult.
>
> Is that 135 the STF? A lens long on my lust list.
>

Yup, dat be da one. Yes, a bit long for indoor portraits, but outdoors
has been my amateur film use.


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Mike Owens wrote:

> I knew that the G optics referred to their professional glass, and
> assumed that at the price of 409.00 that the 28-75 wasn't in that
> category. This is why I was somewhat startled to see Adorama list it as
> a G lens, thus leading to my question.

It would not be the first time that Adorama made an error.

> As far as the guidebook, if it came with my 7D it must have been on the
> CD (which is presently hiding somewhere.) But Minolta's website

No, it's something I found somewhere in MinoltaSpace on the web...

> (http/kmpi.konicaminolta.us/eprise/main/kmpi/Content/cam/cam_Attachments/Maxxum_Lenses)
> lists several lenses as being discontinued, the 85/1.4 being one of
> them. And it seems that most online stores have that item listed as
> back-ordered. Of course, I have no clue when KM last updated this list.
> And yes, if you'd be so kind I would like it if you would email a copy
> of the 7D catalog to me.

Done. (Guidebook, incl. list of accessories).

Cheers,
Alan

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Mike Owens wrote:


> (http/kmpi.konicaminolta.us/eprise/main/kmpi/Content/cam/cam_Attachments/Maxxum_Lenses)

Thanks for the link. Hard to believe they discontinue the 85 f/1.4 but
come out with a new version of the 600 f/4...

Cheers,
Alan

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Jer wrote:

> Alan Browne wrote:

>> Is that 135 the STF? A lens long on my lust list.
>>
>
> Yup, dat be da one. Yes, a bit long for indoor portraits, but outdoors
> has been my amateur film use.

Color me envious...

Cheers,
Alan

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"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@freelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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> Mike Owens wrote:
>
>
> >
(http/kmpi.konicaminolta.us/eprise/main/kmpi/Content/cam/cam_Attachments/M
axxum_Lenses)
>
> Thanks for the link. Hard to believe they discontinue the 85 f/1.4 but
> come out with a new version of the 600 f/4...
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
>
http/konicaminolta.com/investors/pdf/fr/konicaminolta/2005_h17/revision_20050317.pdf
Any wonder why K-M is in last place? Minolta always suffered from bad
marketing!

 

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Darrell wrote:

>
> http/konicaminolta.com/investors/pdf/fr/konicaminolta/2005_h17/revision_20050317.pdf
> Any wonder why K-M is in last place? Minolta always suffered from bad
> marketing!

The current financial results at K-M, (in the black, if lighter than
expected) are mainly a result of low returns in the information systems
group. The photo group is also performing less than expected, but is
not the main source of woe. The "price deterioration" they are facing
is the same at the other camera companies.

As to "last place", I seriously doubt they are anywhere near last when
you consider companies such as Pentax, Olympus, Contax, Sigma and others.

As a result of the K-M merger, they were quite slow in releasing the Max
7D and they will be late in releasing lower end versions. It will be
interesting to see if they release a higher end version.



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"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@freelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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> >
(http/kmpi.konicaminolta.us/eprise/main/kmpi/Content/cam/cam_Attachments/M
axxum_Lenses)
>
> Thanks for the link. Hard to believe they discontinue the 85 f/1.4 but
> come out with a new version of the 600 f/4...

You need to read the rest of the chart. The 85/1.4 was only
"discontinued" in the sense that was no longer offered in that
version. It was replaced with the 85/1.4 G(D), which is
optically identical.

 

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Robert Lynch wrote:

> You need to read the rest of the chart. The 85/1.4 was only
> "discontinued" in the sense that was no longer offered in that
> version. It was replaced with the 85/1.4 G(D), which is
> optically identical.

Whoops! There it is! I thing the "[RS]" in the box fooled my scanner
(Mk I EB).

Thanks,
Alan



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Alan Browne wrote:

> Robert Lynch wrote:
>
>> You need to read the rest of the chart. The 85/1.4 was only
>> "discontinued" in the sense that was no longer offered in that
>> version. It was replaced with the 85/1.4 G(D), which is
>> optically identical.
>
>
> Whoops! There it is! I thing the "[RS]" in the box fooled my scanner
> (Mk I EB).

Whoops again. Not even that one. But I do see the G (D) version
further down.

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Jer wrote:

> Seems odd a rebate would already be offered for a relatively recent
product. <shrug>

It's a good camera, and the recent lens announcements make it even more
attractive. But it is compared against the Canon 20D, and even with the
integral anti-shake, the 7D was perceived as being overpriced. The 20D
is around $1200 on sale, with the kit lens. The 7D was around $1500,
with the kit lens. So it was perceived as being overpriced, especially
by people that didn't see the value in the anti-shake feature.

With the rebates, you can get the 7D, with the 28-100 lens, for $1270
(see
"http/www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=30-126-022&depa=0").

This is a very good deal, if you're not already committed to the Nikon
or Canon system.

 

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Alan Browne wrote:

>I would hazzard the guess that 80% or more of 7D sales go to people
with
$1,000 or more in Minolta lenses.

Which is probably why Konica-Minotla is effectively dropping the price
to the level of the 20D. Selling mainly to previous KM SLR owners is
not going to be sufficient.

To a buyer that looks only at features, it could be an effective ad
campaign for KM to compare the 7D against 20D, focusing (no pun
intended) on the anti-shake feature, and how on Canon you need to buy
expensive lenses to get that feature.

 

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Scharf-DCA wrote:

> Jer wrote:
>
>
>>Seems odd a rebate would already be offered for a relatively recent
>
> product. <shrug>
>
> It's a good camera, and the recent lens announcements make it even more
> attractive. But it is compared against the Canon 20D, and even with the
> integral anti-shake, the 7D was perceived as being overpriced. The 20D
> is around $1200 on sale, with the kit lens. The 7D was around $1500,
> with the kit lens. So it was perceived as being overpriced, especially
> by people that didn't see the value in the anti-shake feature.

I would hazzard the guess that 80% or more of 7D sales go to people with
$1,000 or more in Minolta lenses.

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Scharf-DCA wrote:

> intended) on the anti-shake feature, and how on Canon you need to buy
> expensive lenses to get that feature.

.... that's been their approach since the A1 days... it was close to 100%
certain that the A-S would be in the digital body whenever it appeared.



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