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In <jzwick3-0AECEF.08045310012005@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Mon, 10 Jan
2005 14:05:00 GMT, Jack "Chicken Little" Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <41E28736.9090902@example.net>,
> Tropical Haven <user@example.net> wrote:
>
>> > I thought AT&T Wireeless plans were supposed to not be sold after
>> > November 15.
>>
>> If you get the discount through your employer, you will be steered to an
>> ATT plan. I have heard it is because Cingular has not yet applied the
>> update to its billing system, allowing the discounts.
>
>But Navas told us how compatible the back office systems were and they
>would be merged quickly.

Nope. What I actually wrote
<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=Iutgd.2064%24_3.27393%40typhoon.sonic.net>
or <http://tinyurl.com/3mxd3>:

From: John Navas
Newsgroups: alt.cellular.cingular,alt.cellular.attws
Subject: Re: Going from ATTWS to Cingular
Message-ID: <Iutgd.2064$_3.27393@typhoon.sonic.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:39:20 GMT
...
The number of users (subscribers) is largely irrelevant -- what matters is
the number (one) and type of (compatible) back office systems. This
integration actually looks to be easier than prior integrations.

Which part of that don't you understand? Shall we start with "This"?

>It's 3 months now.

No surprise there (to anyone but you).

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In <jzwick3-8724E9.08561210012005@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Mon, 10 Jan
2005 14:57:44 GMT, Jack "Chicken Little" Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <41E29542.2020804@example.net>,
> Tropical Haven <user@example.net> wrote:

>> I actually have to take John's side on this one....he said it would be
>> easier than past integrations. Truthfully, I think it will be.
>
>Fine, but they claimed it was done as of November 15, and it still
>hasn't.

Nope.

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than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]
 
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In <41E2A162.8040003@example.net> on Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:38:08 GMT, Tropical
Haven <user@example.net> wrote:

>>>I actually have to take John's side on this one....he said it would be
>>>easier than past integrations. Truthfully, I think it will be.
>>
>>
>> Fine, but they claimed it was done as of November 15, and it still
>> hasn't.
>
>Who are "they"? Do you have proof that "they" said that AT&T Wireless
>operations will be 100% integrated with Cingular operations on November
>15th? I read that benefits of Cingular are available to AT&T Wireless
>customers...and they are. However, those customers may be required to
>switch to the Cingular side to use those benefits.

ATTWS customers actually got the benefit of the Cingular network prior to
closing of the merger thanks to free roaming, which continues, and in November
got the benefit of expanded mobile-to-mobile, both without switching.
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In article <sJzEd.2475$tF.2440@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
"Joe Fabeitz" <jf@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Zwick,
> For God's sake,

Are you a friend of Bin Laden. He speaks for G_d also.
 
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In article <41E2A162.8040003@example.net>,
Tropical Haven <user@example.net> wrote:

> >>I actually have to take John's side on this one....he said it would be
> >>easier than past integrations. Truthfully, I think it will be.
> >
> >
> > Fine, but they claimed it was done as of November 15, and it still
> > hasn't.
>
> Who are "they"? Do you have proof that "they" said that AT&T Wireless
> operations will be 100% integrated with Cingular operations on November
> 15th? I read that benefits of Cingular are available to AT&T Wireless
> customers...and they are. However, those customers may be required to
> switch to the Cingular side to use those benefits.

But not at some AT&T WIreless stores.

Yes I have proofo. It's the November 16 press release of Cingular that
Navas claimed didn't exist.

Title of Press Release:


Cingular Completes Massive Overnight Conversion of AT&T Wireless Stores

<http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT=088644&TICK=CING
UL1&STORY=/www/story/11-16-2004/0002458939&EDATE=Nov+16,+2004>

Only problem: IT NEVER HAPPENED.
 
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Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article <sJzEd.2475$tF.2440@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
> "Joe Fabeitz" <jf@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Zwick,
>>For God's sake,
>
>
> Are you a friend of Bin Laden. He speaks for G_d also.

GFYS
 
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>Do you have proof that "they" said that AT&T Wireless
>operations will be 100% integrated with Cingular operations on November
>15th?

As near as I can remember the 15th of November date was for Mobile to Mobile
across platforms and that DID happen.

Fully integrated can mean a number of things depending on your point of view.
It could be technology, marketing or even billing. Don't cut them short unless
you are more specific in what you are talking about when it comes to
integration.

I can tell you that they ARE in the process of integrating cell site equipment
and that is going to be a long arduous task. Probably 2 years or more.....

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In article <20050111162904.12109.00000047@mb-m15.aol.com>,
sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree (John S.) wrote:

> >Do you have proof that "they" said that AT&T Wireless
> >operations will be 100% integrated with Cingular operations on November
> >15th?
>
> As near as I can remember the 15th of November date was for Mobile to Mobile
> across platforms and that DID happen.
>
> Fully integrated can mean a number of things depending on your point of view.
> It could be technology, marketing or even billing. Don't cut them short unless
> you are more specific in what you are talking about when it comes to
> integration.
>
> I can tell you that they ARE in the process of integrating cell site equipment
> and that is going to be a long arduous task. Probably 2 years or more.....

or 4 or 6. They still havent integrated all the pieces stuck together to
makie Cingular 5 years ago.
 
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In <jzwick3-C4D728.03570511012005@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Tue, 11 Jan
2005 09:58:36 GMT, Jack "CHICKEN LITTLE" Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <41E2A162.8040003@example.net>,
> Tropical Haven <user@example.net> wrote:
>
>> >>I actually have to take John's side on this one....he said it would be
>> >>easier than past integrations. Truthfully, I think it will be.
>> >
>> >
>> > Fine, but they claimed it was done as of November 15, and it still
>> > hasn't.
>>
>> Who are "they"? Do you have proof that "they" said that AT&T Wireless
>> operations will be 100% integrated with Cingular operations on November
>> 15th? I read that benefits of Cingular are available to AT&T Wireless
>> customers...and they are. However, those customers may be required to
>> switch to the Cingular side to use those benefits.
>
>But not at some AT&T WIreless stores.
>
>Yes I have proofo. It's the November 16 press release of Cingular that
>Navas claimed didn't exist.

It doesn't.

>Title of Press Release:
>
>Cingular Completes Massive Overnight Conversion of AT&T Wireless Stores
>
><http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT=088644&TICK=CING
>UL1&STORY=/www/story/11-16-2004/0002458939&EDATE=Nov+16,+2004>
>
>Only problem: IT NEVER HAPPENED.

Only problem: It doesn't actually support your claims.

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In <jzwick3-71BB9F.03541211012005@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Tue, 11 Jan
2005 09:55:43 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <sJzEd.2475$tF.2440@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
> "Joe Fabeitz" <jf@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Zwick,
>> For God's sake,
>
>Are you a friend of Bin Laden. He speaks for G_d also.

I sense Godwin's Law to be imminent. :)

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In <20050111162904.12109.00000047@mb-m15.aol.com> on 11 Jan 2005 21:29:04 GMT,
sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree (John S.) wrote:

>>Do you have proof that "they" said that AT&T Wireless
>>operations will be 100% integrated with Cingular operations on November
>>15th?
>
>As near as I can remember the 15th of November date was for Mobile to Mobile
>across platforms and that DID happen.
>
>Fully integrated can mean a number of things depending on your point of view.
>It could be technology, marketing or even billing. Don't cut them short unless
>you are more specific in what you are talking about when it comes to
>integration.
>
>I can tell you that they ARE in the process of integrating cell site equipment
>and that is going to be a long arduous task. Probably 2 years or more.....

I'd be willing to bet less.

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In <jzwick3-CE8EFE.15514711012005@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Tue, 11 Jan
2005 21:51:54 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <20050111162904.12109.00000047@mb-m15.aol.com>,
> sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree (John S.) wrote:
>
>> >Do you have proof that "they" said that AT&T Wireless
>> >operations will be 100% integrated with Cingular operations on November
>> >15th?
>>
>> As near as I can remember the 15th of November date was for Mobile to Mobile
>> across platforms and that DID happen.
>>
>> Fully integrated can mean a number of things depending on your point of view.
>> It could be technology, marketing or even billing. Don't cut them short unless
>> you are more specific in what you are talking about when it comes to
>> integration.
>>
>> I can tell you that they ARE in the process of integrating cell site equipment
>> and that is going to be a long arduous task. Probably 2 years or more.....
>
>or 4 or 6. They still havent integrated all the pieces stuck together to
>makie Cingular 5 years ago.

Irrelevant. Apples and oranges.

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In <HZQFd.13876$wi2.911@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> on Fri, 14 Jan 2005
14:49:11 GMT, "Rod" <cellular-dude@sprintpcs.com> wrote:

>"> Irrelevant. Apples and oranges.
>>
> Actually that's blueberries and oranges.

Good point. :)

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