Need some recommendations for a laptop

[earth4x]

Hi !!

I was intending on buying a laptop, but I don't know which brand to choose!

It would be mostly for multimedia related applications (mostly 3D and 2D). I want to get at least a T7200 or T7400 has a CPU.


can anyone recommend me a good brand for the types of application i'm going to use? is Dell any good?

 

[jimytheassassin]

Notebook Review...What notebook should I buy? Since you're kinda up in the air..this could help you get some excellent answers. NotebookForums.com has something similar also and you could field the question there too. Good Luck

 

[MobileMediaFX]

I would recommend you get a laptop with a dedicated graphics processor from either ATI or Nvidia. Since you'll be doing 3D work as well as image editing and possibly video editing, a dedicated card will significantly reduce the processing times here. For these I might recommend a system with an NVidia Quadro card. If you will be mainly on the consuming side rather than creation side, I'd suggest a nice gaming card like a Radeon or GeForce. You have the right idea getting a good CPU as well. A high definition display would be a good thing as far a multimedia is concerned.
The other major consideration is how large you are willing to accept or how light you want and are willing to sacrifice some performance to get. It's not by accident that Toms Hardware reviews have classified the mobile machines they review into several categories.
I would configure the system you want from several different builders, find out how reliable and well supported each company's offering is, and select the best overall machine for the lowest cost.
Many people on this forum swear by the laptops made by Killer Notebooks, though I have never had one. I also make upgradeable media center laptops, which you might take a look at, but it may or may not be the machine for you. Overall, most brands should build a decent computer (some actually use the same chassis from another company), but you should be confident that you have purchased enough performance and proper support because once it's out the door there often isn't much you can upgrade.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

For Dell check out their 3.32 / 10.00 rating on resellerratings.com

Price this out at the following websites:

17" 1920 x 1200 WUXGA GlassView LCD
Intel Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33 Ghz
2048MB, PC2-5300/667Mhz DDR2 - 2 DIMM
nVIDIA GeForce Go 7950 GTX w/512MB
100/7200rpm GB SATA-150
Windows XP Professional Edition
8X DVD±R/RW Burner with 4X Double Layer Write Capability
Built-In FAX/MODEM 56K/ V90
Built-in 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet LAN Card
Intel Pro/Wireless LAN 802.11a/b/g Card
Internal Bluetooth Card

https://store.widowpc.com/order_form.php?system=4&product=220,234&empty=Y
http://www.killernotebooks.com/executioner/executioner_custom_configuration.aspx
http://www.pro-star.com/index.cfm?mainpage=serial-price&serial=5724&screenid=13054906&cpuid=30081801&hdid=40072100&ramid=80077602

All have the exact same machine in the exact same box with the same OEM Model number on the bottom.

 

[killernotebooks]

All have the exact same machine in the exact same box with the same OEM Model number on the bottom.

FAR, Far from the same thing.

That is like saying a Ford Saleen Mustang and a Saleen TT S7 Supercar are the same because they were both designed by Saleen racing... all except one has 1,000 horsepower and the other has a good view of a set of tail lights.

 

[jimytheassassin]

All have the exact same machine in the exact same box with the same OEM Model number on the bottom.

FAR, Far from the same thing.

That is like saying a Ford Saleen Mustang and a Saleen TT S7 Supercar are the same because they were both designed by Saleen racing... all except one has 1,000 horsepower and the other has a good view of a set of tail lights.


Wouldn't it be a little more like a Mustang or MustangGT vs the Shelby Mustang.. those Saleens aren't both built off the Mustang Platform, yes no? I agree that the same chassis between sellers is only one part of the equation.. You must also consider what your vendor will do to pimp your ride.

 

[XOTICPC]

Right on Jimmy! 😀 As Jimmy states the shells are the same. The main things that change are maybe the memory or hard drive manufacturer used and the branding.

 

[killernotebooks]

What would you know about building a system Justin?
You don't build your machines they are built at Sager.

You wouldn't have ANY idea the differences, so it is kind of silly to argue with you about it. In fact, there was a post in another thread you never answered bud...

I have a few questions. If you could DIRECTLY answer these questions so I can understand the differences between yourself and "anybody else" it would be great.
1. How do you do "allot of custom work" on these systems when you never touch, or even see them?
2. What types of "customization" and "custom work" do you do to these systems?
3. Is there a difference between a distributor "OUTSOURCING" system builds to Sager, and "anybody else" who is actually building the systems themselves?
4. Do you have ANY product ON HAND at your "headquarters"?
5. Do you even USE the Sager product at your "headquarters"?
6. Finally, Exectly HOW is a system purchased from XoticPC different from a system purchased directly from Sager, besides a name badge and price?

Once those direct questions are answered, I think that should clear up the confusing double-talk and "slight of hand" marketing and i can better understand the differences between "everybody else".

You always say "There is no difference", and this guy asked you some direct questions and you never responded. You're here though right? You're doggin' anything I say. So why instead of doing that, what not answer?

Hey, I'll see you at Notebook Review champ.

 

[XOTICPC]

Was it directed at you? I named the main differences between the models, thats it. Why do you find the need to start a arguement? PM me if you would like to discuss in detail.

Sager is far from all we do.

The questions were answered in PM to the poster to keep the thread on topic.

 

[killernotebooks]

Where is there an arguement?

It's real simple:
1. You posted a statement in this thread about XoticPC and Sager. Essentially, you said what you said here that "everybody was the same, but you were the cheapest and you did a lot of customization to your machines." You're really just in this thread saying the same thing.
2. Someone felt your statement didn't make sense and wanted to know how you perceived your role in the industry.
3. You never answered the guy and you're still not answering.
4. Now you are trying to redirect and hope people forget about the questions that were asked and remain unanswered.

Now you say, "Sager is far from all we do.", but regardless of the system they are built by someone else offsite.
The phrase inserted in the comment "...is far from all we do. is not put there on accident, it is intended to mislead people into thinking you have a much greater role than simply taking orders on the internet and forwarding them to a distributor, collecting your money and forgetting about it.

It implies that you are not a small sales office above a chiropractor in Lincoln, Nebraska with no product whatsoever, not even for your "sales force's" use. There is no arguing that... that is just a fact.

If someone posts something, there is a reasonable expectation that that person is posting the truth, and that the truth posted will hold up to some sort of minor scrutiny, is there not? If someone with a fancy signature file with all the graphics and a cartoon image if themself as a avitar whom is obviously a vendor posts something, it carry X amount of weight. Argueably more than the average person because it is assumed they know more the the average person because they are doing it everyday for a living.

But, but... if you aren't actually doing it, and you're just selling someone else's system, then the forum members should know that so they can take the statements made with a grain of salt... especially if the statement is always, "We're the same as everyone else, there is no difference." That is intentionally misleading... that is unless they just need someone to fill in check boxes on a web page for them.

Now, back to those questions...

 

[XOTICPC]

My Apologies for the topic disintegrating with Killernotebooks false insinuations. :| I am choosing to not continue an argument. I have asked to PM me if further discussion off topic was needed

Killer, to answer allot of your questions and accommodate your great interest, I welcome you to again view our website to view what we do. You can view the different levels of laptops, desktops servers and other systems we build along with the specific manufacturers of laptops we carry other than Sagers laptops.

With a 99.1% customer satisfaction rating on over 500 positive feedbacks on eBay and a perfect rating on different review sites this demonstrates that we take care of our customer and provide a pleasure full buying experience. Providing customers the ultimate buying experience before and after the sale always has and will continue to be our top priority.

Mods – Another KN thread locked up?

 

[killernotebooks]

So, we're not getting the questions answered is the short version.

Original post of XoticPC and Sager

I have a few questions. If you could DIRECTLY answer these questions so I can understand the differences between yourself and "anybody else" it would be great.
1. How do you do "allot of custom work" on these systems when you never touch, or even see them?
2. What types of "customization" and "custom work" do you do to these systems?
3. Is there a difference between a distributor "OUTSOURCING" system builds to Sager, and "anybody else" who is actually building the systems themselves?
4. Do you have ANY product ON HAND at your "headquarters"?
5. Do you even USE the Sager product at your "headquarters"?
6. Finally, Exectly HOW is a system purchased from XoticPC different from a system purchased directly from Sager, besides a name badge and price?

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[XOTICPC]

Killer, I have stated a couple times the questions were answered in PM to you. Must we continue?

 

[killernotebooks]

I didn't get any PM.

That diversion aside, why can't we all get the answers again?

You publicly state over and over:

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So why can't we get a public answer?

 

[jimytheassassin]

Need some Recommendations for a Laptop = Lets talk about XoxitPC's business structure?? You're way off topic and why did you feel it necessary to bring a quote from another topic in here? As you should know this is neither the place nor time to spread vendor information, or start a fight,
and finally in quoting the great Jake_Barnes A question for killernotebooks

Jake_Barnes
"Let me try to answer that here. TG Forumz has a policy that does not permit "vendors" from actively promoting their "wares" on these boards.

I have discussed this with KN previously.

If you notice a link to his website, go there.

KN contributes helpful content here and can continue to do so, unless these threads become active selling. In that case, vendors have been and will be banned."

This thread should be closed by a modderator now, Please keep to the topic as you usually do, and leave your vendor war out of THG

Quoting Jake is not a reminder for the moderators, nor a thumbing.. I'm sure they know the rules Killer.. It's for you. you are the one who needs a refresher course in chivalry

 

[killernotebooks]

Aside from that quote and comment you posted being THE most antagonistic thing I have ever seen thumbed in the face of a moderator...
How am I selling?

Can you quote one thing from this thread where I have said go to this guy right here?

 

[jimytheassassin]

So you can read far into what Xotic says making your own assumptions, but only see the surface of what Jake is saying.. Keep vendor business out, stay on topic..

Anyone seen Stranger than fiction yet? How bout you killer?.. I heard it was a pretty awesome movie, even by people I know that don't like Will Farrel. I think I might go see it this weekend.. Anyone else seen good movies lately

This thread is DEAD...LOCK IT UP

If you could read, you'd see it's very clear.. Keep the vendor business out, stay on topic... take the last word though KN, you win

 

[killernotebooks]

So after pouring over all my comments you couldn't come up with anything.

Thanks for clearing things up JustinTheAssassin.

 

[tikicc]

killer why do you have such interest in your competiters? i have viewed other forums you were kicked off of for your behavior, is thg next? keep the threads on topic.

 

[killernotebooks]

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That's news to me. Where was this at?