Online Retailer Charging Tax for Using IE7

[Guest]

Just their loss. The merchants online are vast, I use Firefox 3.6 because that is what I want!

Screw this dumb donkey. Hope his business goes to hell, socialistic S.O.B. trying to

dictate to the world what he thinks we should all be using. Fk Off.

Let Freedom reign.

 

[alcalde]

This is one Windows Tax I actually like!

 

[freggo]

Ever seem a company refusing a sale because you want to pay with old $$ bills ?

I managed a fairly large Mailorder company for years.
Anyone bringing such a dumb idea to my office would find himself cleaning the warehouse for a week.

There is no reason that a simple retail site needs the 'advanced features' of browsers past IE7.
That's simply web designers in love with technology instead of business reality.

As a business man, having to choose between a whiny customer and a whiny webdesigner I take the customer any time of the day. THEY PAY THE BILLS !

 

[Guest]

freggo: "As a business man, having to choose between a whiny customer and a whiny webdesigner I take the customer any time of the day. THEY PAY THE BILLS !"

Without a web developer to keep your online business rolling, the customers wouldn't pay you s#!t...

And if you never had to deal directly with website coding and bang your head against MS's non-compliance with accepted standards... leave the opinions to the professionals.

 

[Dark Comet]

[citation][nom]freggo[/nom]Ever seem a company refusing a sale because you want to pay with old $$ bills ?I managed a fairly large Mailorder company for years.Anyone bringing such a dumb idea to my office would find himself cleaning the warehouse for a week.There is no reason that a simple retail site needs the 'advanced features' of browsers past IE7.That's simply web designers in love with technology instead of business reality.As a business man, having to choose between a whiny customer and a whiny webdesigner I take the customer any time of the day. THEY PAY THE BILLS ![/citation]

You have to spend time testing your site to make sure it fully works on IE7 as well. I'm no website designer but I think things don't always work right in different browsers so you have to adjust them spending more time. No one should be using IE7 now anyway...

 

[Parrdacc]

[citation][nom]Dark Comet[/nom]You have to spend time testing your site to make sure it fully works on IE7 as well. I'm no website designer but I think things don't always work right in different browsers so you have to adjust them spending more time. No one should be using IE7 now anyway...[/citation]

Freggo is correct. Customers pay not only his but the web developers salary. While I agree on the technical aspect of the use of IE7, well IE in general imo, you have to look at the business. If a customer see a popup that says they will be charge X amount just cause they are trying to purchase something via IE7 then they will most likely just go somewhere else. That's bad business, customer relations, and laziness. That results in lost revenue and money in your pocket.

Just to be clear IE7 should not be used at this point in time and Freggo is wrong in saying "That's simply web designers in love with technology..." but one has to always deal with business vs. IT and it is a constant struggle.

 

[aracheb]

[citation][nom]whooleo[/nom]Ha! The PCs at my school all still have IE7 even though I've tried to update some but those damn head techs are so lazy they hardly even install updates let alone update IE or even Firefox which is still at 3.6! I've found that school IT departments are the worst and laziest in my experiance...[/citation]
LOl with this comment i just realized they actually have an it department and tech.
I though their labs were setup and left there until they explode or were completely inoperable.
the another contractor company would come and setup a new lab.

 

[cknobman]

[citation][nom]Shin-san[/nom]I worked at a place that had IE7 on the PCs, and you couldn't install anything else, including IE8[/citation]

If you knew what you were doing you could!!!

I worked at a mortgage company who did the same thing but it did not keep me from having Firefox and Chrome on there. When it comes to PC where there is a will (and some knowledge) there is a way!

 

[killerclick]

First web devs were bitching about IE6, now it's IE7. That's the problem of taking on a projects after a few months of screwing around in Dreamweaver, or not knowing anything outside a particular CMS. Even if it were a huge pain in the ass to deal with old browsers (and it's only a minor inconvenience), professional pride would never let me complain to my clients or even worse visitors.

 

[punahou1]

So if I use my Windows 95 machine running IE 5.5 can I avoid this tax? Can someone provide Kogan's website as I would love to test my dinosaur on it this weekend....

 

[tumultus]

Just a bunch of idiots at Kogan's! Their website already supports IE7 (how else could you go there, shop and get the tax applied to you?), so, this is just an easy way to cash in on people.

Why didn't they just give anyone with an up-to-date browser a discount instead? And how come that a private business is collecting taxes in first place?

In the end of the day, this is what web developers get paid for: to make the website work on any platform / browser. If they can't do it, Kogan's surely employed the wrong staff.

 

[tumultus]

Just a bunch of idiots at Kogan's! Their website already supports IE7 (how else could you go there, shop and get the tax applied to you?), so, this is just an easy way to cash in on people.

Why didn't they just give anyone with an up-to-date browser a discount instead? And how come that a private business is collecting taxes in first place?

In the end of the day, this is what web developers get paid for: to make the website work on any platform / browser. If they can't do it, Kogan's surely employed the wrong staff.

 

[tumultus]

Just a bunch of idiots at Kogan's! Their website already supports IE7 (how else could you go there, shop and get the tax applied to you?), so, this is just an easy way to cash in on people.

Why didn't they just give anyone with an up-to-date browser a discount instead? And how come that a private business is collecting taxes in first place?

In the end of the day, this is what web developers get paid for: to make the website work on any platform / browser. If they can't do it, Kogan's surely employed the wrong staff.

 

[tumultus]

Just a bunch of idiots at Kogan's! Their website already supports IE7 (how else could you go there, shop and get the tax applied to you?), so, this is just an easy way to cash in on people.

Why didn't they just give anyone with an up-to-date browser a discount instead? And how come that a private business is collecting taxes in first place?

In the end of the day, this is what web developers get paid for: to make the website work on any platform / browser. If they can't do it, Kogan's surely employed the wrong staff.

 

[gm0n3y]

As a developer that occasionally has to write front end code, I wholeheartedly support this initiative. Companies that I have worked at in the past either don't support older browsers or just make sure they function even if they look terrible.

 

[eddieroolz]

This is ridiculous. Just more ways to grab money, that's what.

 

[Dark Comet]

[citation][nom]eddieroolz[/nom]This is ridiculous. Just more ways to grab money, that's what.[/citation]

Just update your browser.. if people can't be bothered to do that then they should pay. There's not many people locked into the browser I bet nearly all of them use it by choice. As for company's locked to the browser, you shouldn't be doing your personal shopping in work anyway.

 

[Dark Comet]

[citation][nom]tumultus[/nom]Just a bunch of idiots at Kogan's! Their website already supports IE7 (how else could you go there, shop and get the tax applied to you?), so, this is just an easy way to cash in on people.Why didn't they just give anyone with an up-to-date browser a discount instead? And how come that a private business is collecting taxes in first place?In the end of the day, this is what web developers get paid for: to make the website work on any platform / browser. If they can't do it, Kogan's surely employed the wrong staff.[/citation]

They are charging this to keep the site working for the legacy browser (for the future). It's not to make money it's to try to persuade people to upgrade.

 

[freggo]

[citation][nom]Anonymous[/nom]freggo: "As a business man, having to choose between a whiny customer and a whiny webdesigner I take the customer any time of the day. THEY PAY THE BILLS !"Without a web developer to keep your online business rolling, the customers wouldn't pay you s#!t...And if you never had to deal directly with website coding and bang your head against MS's non-compliance with accepted standards... leave the opinions to the professionals.[/citation]

As for my background, MBA and MD in computer science, programmed anything from punch cards on IBM mainframes to peeking and poking in Assembler, Cobol, Fortran, Pascal... you name it.

Done websites in HTML, ASP and PHP using Access, Microsoft SQL and MySQL databases.
All with Textpad as me 'editor'.

As for 'web designers' who then use Frontpage or Dreamweaver... don't make me laugh; they are a dime a dozen and I would not hire one if they can not hand code.

On the other hand, try finding customers with money to spent, especially in this economy !!

Yes, IE (and other browsers) all can not agree to stick by the rules; May that be simple stuff like Table backgrounds or how to render CSS layers or what have you.
But again, on a simply retail site you can stay with fairly basic layouts and they are safe with any browser since IE6.