[citation][nom]reptileken81[/nom]Blazorthon, you can try and poke all the holes in my argument you want. In the end, the law is the law. Pirating is wrong, even most people on this site who admit to pirating agree it is wrong and that it is not good to try and offer excuses.All you are doing is engaging in "might makes right" and everyone does what in right in their own eyes. Your opinion (according to what you've stated), I can only gather, is that it is too bad for the gaming and OS companies that they don't have hordes of anti-pirates and you have the right to pirate a game for your own purposes. That isn't how life works. When you get older, you will understand better.And no, I never said Greedy Co. needs to force someone to buy their stuff to be greedy. I said that pirates are people who lack self control. They hear about a game they want and can't help but to steal it online. Or they think it is up to them to create their own demo by downloading it, playing it to their heart's content, and then supposedly deleting it (as if anyone has any reason to believe anything you say about what you will do with their game. After all, you already downloaded it illegally!!!).[/citation]
I never claimed "might makes right" and I doubt I ever will. Besides that, the law is not just the law end of argument. If the law is wrong (The law is wrong too often, but that's because we allow it to be) then it should be disregarded or fixed so it will no longer be wrong. If the law had the final say in a problem then why is nicotine from tobacco products legal when it is either the most addictive drug or among them? Why is marijuana illegal when it is shown to not be nearly as bad as tobacco? The laws were manipulated through bribery and other unethical means. The law can be wrong and although this method of piracy is a somewhat less extreme example, the law is wrong here. I'm not saying we should legalize weed nor make tobacco illegal, but do realize that the law is not always right. It is managed by some of the greediest people in the country, our legislators.
Absolutely no harm has come to anyone from this method of piracy and no harm will come to anyone. I fail to see the problem with this method besides the fact that it allows a potential buyer of a game to test the game before they buy it so if they don't want it they won't buy it, it allows potential buyers to be better informed of the purchase before it is made. Since most of these companies would rather screw someone out of some money rather than get a customer that enjoys their game yes, it is too bad for them that they don't have legions of anti-pirates that will help them be jerks to their customers.
If I'm poking holes in your argument then why don't you take the time to stop being ignorant of the second side of this problem? If everyone whom had such a problem and they disregarded one side of it then they would probably never solve their problem. In addition to your intentional ignorance, your being an asshole. Furthermore, you insult my credibility rather than approach the piracy problem open-minded. That is the exact way that people have acted historically when a scientist came up with a new idea that challenged what they had been told even though it had proof behind it. How long did it take people, even other supposed scientists and intellectuals, to take people like Copernicus seriously after he said that the Earth is not the center of the universe?
Most people's understanding of the Internet, software, and media are outdated or based on the concepts of physical property. Those concepts just don't work. For example, if I went to your house and stole something, lets say your computer, you would no longer have it. However, if I downloaded a copy of Starcraft, where ever I downloaded it from, and Blizzard, would still have it. I simply have a copy of it. It's not the same as physical property and treating it like it is has not been going well.
We see ridiculous things going on right now both because of those greedy companies and admittedly because of different piracy methods like keeping the game after pirating it. Some companies are learning albeit very slowly about this. For example, Ubisoft's ridiulous DRM where if you change your computer's hardware more than either three times or more than three times after their game is installed it would lock you out of it and need to be reactivated by Ubisoft.
This was legal. It was legal for them to say I can't upgrade my own computer without contacting them to get my game fixed. Furthermore, in practice Ubisoft was very slow to reactivate the game or they never did. Basically means a lot of people weren't to happy when they surprisingly can't play their game that they paid for after a recent video card, CPU, motherboard, etc. upgrade. A lot of people that paid for the game had to pirate it after their upgrade just to continue playing something they already paid for. Ubisoft, having possibly learned how ridiculous and stupid this was (how could this possibly stop piracy? what were they smoking to think it would?) since they claim to either have removed it or will remove it. I never played the game, legally or otherwise, so I can't confirm this, but think about it.
Do you think I lack self-control? Would I lack self-control if I downloaded a copy to try it, deleted it a few hours later and bought it after deleting it? I'll admit that the pirates whom keep illegal copies do lack self-control but I think what I just explained is the exact opposite, no more lacking than choosing to buy the game in the first place. If informing yourself about your purchase is the lack of self-control then you'd be right, but it isn't.
I think that testing something before paying money for it is in fact self-control, it's a good mentality for not wasting money. If more people didn't make impulsive purchases then there would be somewhat fewer problems. I notice how you continue to try to point out problems with my argument that I've already beaten and ignore what I say that proves you wrong. That destroys your credibility more than if I actually did pirate games and other media/software. If I were a pirate like this then I would have an even better insight as to why it is done and a better point of view.
I'll even admit what I said about piracy being pretty much impossible to stop is wrong. However, it would be very difficult to create a system that would stop pirates without hindering the legal users. That is where the problems lies... Companies either don't try to do this or they fail at trying to do this miserably. Either way, you don't see a whole lot of companies that have done well here.
Honestly, your insulting me is ridiculous too. Obviously neither of us are idiots if we were intelligent enough to use a site like Tom's and have some understanding of this topic. However, I don't think I'll ever understand why so many people try to argue their point without considering the opposition. It's not an intelligent way to argue. I look at your argument and point out where it seems wrong and where it can be right or partially right but you look at my argument and seem to think that pretty much everything I say is wrong simply because I don't support your point of view.
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