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10Squared wrote:

> Well, looks like you win. I happened to have the ladder set up by my dish so
> I went out and sprayed it with water. Here are the results:
>
> Dry (before): Range 91-95, peak at 95
> Wet: Range 90-96, peak at 96
> Dry (after): Range 92-100, peak at 100


Thank you but, this is not a matter of "who wins" or "who looses", as
the only thing that matters is what does common sense tell one!


> So, no real measurable difference wet or dry, fluctuations are around the
> same approximate point and there is certainly no multi-dB loss due to
> moisture.

Notice the fluxuation...PERIOD!
I can't help but believe that "CW" also noticed the same ones while he
was hopelessly wiping off a wet dish, only to have it keep getting the
same wetness, ....but the CLOUD COVER moved while his measurements were
taken! :>
Clouds have a tendancy to do dat!


He will NEVER simply understand that simple factor, but will continue
to say and believe otherwise!
(sigh)


> Interesting point re making the dish shiny, although the paint on mine is so
> flat from weathering I don't thing RainX could have made it shiny, just
> less likely to wet.


True!
The finish used on some dishes can indeed oxidize so VERY bad, where
the coating becomes "chalky" at best, to starting to rust at worst.

A VERY mild soap and water solution with a rinse of clean water every
now and then will CLEANSE the dish, so that the goop and dust that does
accumulate will NOT degrade the OEM finish.

I have also been a highly successful auto-body Professional for 27
years, so I know about paints and coatings as well!
 
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"KF/AKA AH#49" <AH#49@your.net> wrote in message
news:41000717.8BBEA010@your.net...
| Thank you but, this is not a matter of "who wins" or "who looses", as
| the only thing that matters is what does common sense tell one!
|
"Looses" Yes ladies and gentlemen, he does all the spelling himself.

| "fluxuation"
Spelled by a professional dish installer.

Clearing the rain off my dish is just a simple concept that has proven itself
many times in practice. My only remaining interest in this conversation is
watching an idiot entertain the multitudes.

You should rest now, there could be a discussion of tractor pull rules tomorrow,
and you don't want to forget your all important blinking excercises.


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It's not that nice guys finish last,
They have a whole different notion
where the finish line is.
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"KF/AKA AH#49" <AH#49@your.net> wrote in message
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| CWCunningham the desperate idiot wrote:
|
| Nothing!
|
| So I offer:
| http://www.kcdiy.com/ShopSpec.htm
| ...for all your sat-wiping needs!
Twitch-o-rama
Do it again, do it again.

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where the finish line is.
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"CWCunningham" <charlesw-at-blackfoot.net> wrote:

> "KF/AKA AH#49" <AH#49@your.net> wrote in message
> news:41000717.8BBEA010@your.net...
> | Thank you but, this is not a matter of "who wins" or "who looses", as
> | the only thing that matters is what does common sense tell one!
> |
> "Looses" Yes ladies and gentlemen, he does all the spelling himself.

That's actually an accepted alternative spelling for loses. But, BFD.
Spelling comments on Usenet are the last bastion of the person losing an
argument.

>
> | "fluxuation"
> Spelled by a professional dish installer.
>
> Clearing the rain off my dish is just a simple concept that has proven
> itself many times in practice. My only remaining interest in this
> conversation is watching an idiot entertain the multitudes.

You need to perform the experiment on a clear day in order to ascertain
whether you are needlessly exposing yourself to injury, sickness, and death
by lightning. You would be sorely missed on Usenet. Really.
 
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10Squared wrote:
>
> "CWCunningham" <charlesw-at-blackfoot.net> wrote:
>
> > "KF/AKA AH#49" <AH#49@your.net> wrote in message
> > news:41000717.8BBEA010@your.net...
> > | Thank you but, this is not a matter of "who wins" or "who looses", as
> > | the only thing that matters is what does common sense tell one!
> > |
> > "Looses" Yes ladies and gentlemen, he does all the spelling himself.
>
> That's actually an accepted alternative spelling for loses. But, BFD.
> Spelling comments on Usenet are the last bastion of the person losing an
> argument.

That's all he has in his arsenal.
 
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"10Squared" <jm@10squaredcorp.com> wrote in message
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| "CWCunningham" <charlesw-at-blackfoot.net> wrote:
|
| > "KF/AKA AH#49" <AH#49@your.net> wrote in message
| > news:41000717.8BBEA010@your.net...
| > | Thank you but, this is not a matter of "who wins" or "who looses", as
| > | the only thing that matters is what does common sense tell one!
| > |
| > "Looses" Yes ladies and gentlemen, he does all the spelling himself.
|
| That's actually an accepted alternative spelling for loses. But, BFD.
| Spelling comments on Usenet are the last bastion of the person losing an
| argument.
|

Ah, but I haven't lost any argument. It's like arguing over the result of adding
2 and 2, the facts remain the facts. There's no argument that will change a
fact, and there's nothing a collection of agreeing authorities can do about
that, ask the Catholic church how successful they were at making earth the
center of the universe ... it just doesn't work.

#49 decided early on that acting rude would make him sound credible, and many
people may believe his version, but it has no bearing on the facts. If he wants
to bring that kind of weak stuff to a battle of wits, I can play along. Pointing
out his spelling errors is all about playing his personal ridicule game, at
least I haven't been as rude as he, but then I'm not the one trying to prove
something.

Looses is a word, but in that context, it's as poorly spelled as fluxuation. If
I win, does that mean he loose?

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where the finish line is.
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CWCunningham the "brain faded" wrote:
>
> "10Squared" <jm@10squaredcorp.com> wrote in message
> news:S18Mc.18155$yF.15482@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> | "CWCunningham" <charlesw-at-blackfoot.net> wrote:
> |
> | > "KF/AKA AH#49" <AH#49@your.net> wrote in message
> | > news:41000717.8BBEA010@your.net...
> | > | Thank you but, this is not a matter of "who wins" or "who looses", as
> | > | the only thing that matters is what does common sense tell one!
> | > |
> | > "Looses" Yes ladies and gentlemen, he does all the spelling himself.
> |
> | That's actually an accepted alternative spelling for loses. But, BFD.
> | Spelling comments on Usenet are the last bastion of the person losing an
> | argument.
> |
>
> Ah, but I haven't lost any argument. It's like arguing over the result of adding
> 2 and 2, the facts remain the facts.

And the facts are in!
You are constantly and consistently wrong!
I have the laws of physics to back me up, after all.

Also, (heh heh) You HAVE lost all rational arguments, all future
credibility, and possibly any female company that you might have had or
will eventually have, that reads your stump silly stupid posts! :/


That's why you had to resort to "spelling lames" instead of the real
facts regarding satellite reception and rain fade.


That's why NOBODY has come to your rescue in regards to being able to
keep a dish dry WHILE IT IS RAINING.... WITH A WET PAPER TOWEL!

I do admire yer tenacity though, even though all that you think is all
wrong.

I bet that when you get your 10 foot MESH dish, you will be out there
trying to "wipe it down" so as to eliminate the "EVIL RAIN DROPS" each
and every time it rains!

Now then, speaking about the dead end jobs you mentioned;

Do you think you will be able to flip a decent burger safely the next
time I'm in your neck of the woods, or are you still washing the
latrines at the local JCPENNY food courts?
 
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CWCunningham wrote:
>
> "KF/AKA AH#49" <AH#49@your.net> wrote:

> | I do admire yer tenacity though, even though all that you think is all
> wrong.


BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAA!!!

"I, CWCunningham, can wipe a dish off with a wet paper towel WHILE IT'S
RAINING, AND get MORE DB's in measurable signal strength!"
--CWCunningham--

What does that "CW" stand for?
The two kinds of music you listen to?

Country AND Western?
 
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"KF/AKA AH#49" <AH#49@your.net> wrote in message
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| What does that "CW" stand for?
| The two kinds of music you listen to?
|
| Country AND Western?
|
Resorting to ad-hominem attacks is the first sign that you're losing an argument
one usenet. Have you got nothing at all? Please bring it on, anything, or are
you nothing but weak!

| "I, CWCunningham, can wipe a dish off with a wet paper towel WHILE IT'S
| RAINING, AND get MORE DB's in measurable signal strength!"
| --CWCunningham--
|
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============================
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They have a whole different notion
where the finish line is.
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CWCunningham wrote:

>
> | "I, CWCunningham, can wipe a dish off with a wet paper towel WHILE IT'S
> | RAINING, AND get MORE DB's in measurable signal strength!"
> | --CWCunningham--
 
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"KF/AKA AH#49" <AH#49@your.net> wrote in message
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| CWCunningham wrote:
|
| >
| > | "I, CWCunningham, can wipe a dish off with a wet paper towel WHILE IT'S
| > | RAINING, AND get MORE DB's in measurable signal strength!"
| > | --CWCunningham--
So that's it, you've literally got nothing? No mathematical proof, no laws of
physics, no response. Nothing? Just your fervent bilief that you're right
despite evidence to the contrary?

You've got nothing?

I, CWCunningham, have succesfully added db's to my signal strength with a mere
paper towel during a rainstorm, and you can do it too. Anyone with a modicum of
intelligence can do it. Just read my first post in this thread to see how simple
it is.

But please Mr. twitch, do that dance again. It's so .... <and fill in this blank
here ... it must be your turn>
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where the finish line is.
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CWCunningham wrote:

"I, CWCunningham, can wipe a dish off with a wet paper towel WHILE
IT'S
RAINING, AND get MORE DB's in measurable signal strength!"
--CWCunningham--
 
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And so you've learned something, wasn't so tough eh?

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They have a whole different notion
where the finish line is.
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CWCunningham wrote:
>
> And so you've learned something, wasn't so tough eh?

It was easy to see that yer a bloody idiot that believes in the
impossible.
 
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"KF/AKA AH#49" <AH#49@your.net> wrote in message
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| CWCunningham wrote:
| >
| > And so you've learned something, wasn't so tough eh?
|
| It was easy to see that yer a bloody idiot that believes in the
| impossible.
|
Do the dance monkey boy, do the dance.

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KF/AKA AH#49 wrote:

> WhyMe wrote:
>>
>> http://www.spacecom.com/customer_tools/html/body_rain_fade.htm
>
> Only in the atmosphere, like I said!
> But even THEIR "description" is misleading, as it mentions "rain
> drops", as rain doesn't become "droplets" until the WATER VAPOR in the
> clouds coagulates into them, heavy enough to fall!

Clouds form when water vapor encounters temperatures at or below the dew
point. So the water in clouds is condensed water or ice, not water vapor.
The problem with CW's theory is that the signal attenuation is dependent on
the distance it travels through the medium causing the attenuation. Clouds
have finely dispersed droplets so the total distance through an attenuating
medium is small, and water on a dish is too thin to cause significant
attenuation. In heavy rain the total distance through the attenuating
medium may become significant enough to degrade the signal.
 
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:52:33 +0100, 10Squared <jm@10squaredcorp.com> wrote:

>KF/AKA AH#49 wrote:
>
>> WhyMe wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.spacecom.com/customer_tools/html/body_rain_fade.htm
>>
>> Only in the atmosphere, like I said!
>> But even THEIR "description" is misleading, as it mentions "rain
>> drops", as rain doesn't become "droplets" until the WATER VAPOR in the
>> clouds coagulates into them, heavy enough to fall!
>
>Clouds form when water vapor encounters temperatures at or below the dew
>point. So the water in clouds is condensed water or ice, not water vapor.
>The problem with CW's theory is that the signal attenuation is dependent on
>the distance it travels through the medium causing the attenuation. Clouds
>have finely dispersed droplets so the total distance through an attenuating
>medium is small, and water on a dish is too thin to cause significant
>attenuation. In heavy rain the total distance through the attenuating
>medium may become significant enough to degrade the signal.
>
>
Frequency and wavelength also come into play.
Ku at around 12ghz is more prone than C Band
at around 4ghz.
 
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10Squared wrote:
>
> KF/AKA AH#49 wrote:
>
> > WhyMe wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.spacecom.com/customer_tools/html/body_rain_fade.htm
> >
> > Only in the atmosphere, like I said!
> > But even THEIR "description" is misleading, as it mentions "rain
> > drops", as rain doesn't become "droplets" until the WATER VAPOR in the
> > clouds coagulates into them, heavy enough to fall!
>
> Clouds form when water vapor encounters temperatures at or below the dew
> point. So the water in clouds is condensed water or ice, not water vapor.
> The problem with CW's theory is that the signal attenuation is dependent on
> the distance it travels through the medium causing the attenuation. Clouds
> have finely dispersed droplets so the total distance through an attenuating
> medium is small, and water on a dish is too thin to cause significant
> attenuation. In heavy rain the total distance through the attenuating
> medium may become significant enough to degrade the signal.


He really should get a Windshield/Dish wiper system!

Perhaps he can use the one from his Yugo?
:>
 
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