Ron Jeremy: Games Worse for Kids Than Porn

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Gin Fushicho

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[citation][nom]Renegade_Warrior[/nom]WHAT?Are they saying that We'll go Blind if we Play Too Many Games NOW!? Reminds me of the the 1977 movie Can I Do it 'till I Need Glasses[/citation]

I dunno , games made me go blind by the time I was nine. xP *has 1 inch thick glasses*
 

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[citation][nom]aracheb[/nom]I did teach me the basic ideas of pleasing the ladies and that is one of very first reason why couple brake up nowadays.. (Because after the charms goes away, after your lady stop seeing you as a knight in shiny armor the true hit her face, he doesn't even know how to f... good. He is a good for nothing.. But if you know your ways around the four leg monster in the bedroom. Well also the kitchen, table, the kitchen itself, the kitchen floor, the living room, the bathroom, the back yard, the garage, the car.. well if you knows your ways around sex and you are willing to please your couple, of course beside all the other part the conform the marriage you will have a happy life with a pleased lady that is willing to do everything for you..[/citation]

When someone is addicted to porn, their reality becomes skewed. They think that real life is like the fantasy they see on the screen, and because neither partner can live up to the expectations, it will deteriorate the relationship. Most guys that can only get off to porn actually do not perform good in bed with a real partner, or must imagine porn to get off instead of enjoying the moment with the person.

Porn is great if you don't let it become your "reality", but that is a hard thing to do for many people.
 

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[citation][nom]socalboomer[/nom]I have to laugh my ass off at Ron Jeremy - well, at any actor without any qualifications (except what they portray on screen or TV) spouting ANYTHING. . . but Ron Jeremy? Come on, that's the bottom of the barrel altogether! What qualifications does he have?[/citation]

He has a bachelor's degree in education and theatre and a master's degree in special education from Queens College in New York.

What qualifications do you have?
 

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[citation][nom]Uncle Meat[/nom]He has a bachelor's degree in education and theatre and a master's degree in special education from Queens College in New York.What qualifications do you have?[/citation]

While I don't speak for the person you quoted, anyone who has actually raised kids as a responsible parent would be better equipped to speak as an authority on this matter than this guy.
 

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[citation][nom]kravmaga[/nom]While I don't speak for the person you quoted, anyone who has actually raised kids as a responsible parent would be better equipped to speak as an authority on this matter than this guy.[/citation]
Come one, Ron's gotta have at least 50 kids :)
 

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[citation][nom]sunflier[/nom]I would rather my kids get on a "HEAD SHOT" on a virtual player than get off on internet porn.[/citation]


Seriously, dumbass? Sorry, I would much rather my son be fu(king when he's older than shooting at someone or getting shot at. Sex is something that should, and hopefully will happen. Not Violence.
 

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[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]So you would rather have kids play games depicting brutal death and torture, instead of some dude getting an oil change by a hot chick?Lenny Bruce once said, "I would rather my kids watched a stag movie than King Of Kings, because if there is a second coming I don't want them to kill Jesus again".[/citation]

Wait what? What does that have to do with what I said? In fact, that's the largest stretch of hasty generalization I've seen all year! We're talking about the vast subjectivity of parenting and education, for the fuck's sake! This isn't going to become some 'with you or against you' political stance no matter how hard you try to put words into people's mouths!

This debate reeks of false dichotomy. Since when has pr0n and violent games been the only two choices a parent has? I've grown up with my generation of video games and found gaming in general to be perfectly valid tools to educate my kid in the way of life with if you chose the titles with a bit of pedagogy. If you're really left with the choice of either letting your kid watch pr0n or play violent games, then you gotta ask yourself what the hell went wrong that you don't have alternatives to that.
 
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Alright, next thing you know they get some hot pusssy game on the Wii!
 

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CES, AVN, Casinos/stippers.
You can only can do/visit 2 out of 3. Which do you choose?
I personally say screw gambling and go for both CES and AVN. =D

I love this bastard. ^_^
 

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[citation][nom]mac_angel[/nom]Seriously, dumbass? Sorry, I would much rather my son be fu(king when he's older than shooting at someone or getting shot at. Sex is something that should, and hopefully will happen. Not Violence.[/citation]
Be careful what you wish for. Your son may end up getting shot at because of the sex...
 

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the human mind is actually quite built on destruction, the need for a fight and the will to win something. that is why there will never be peace.

If we did not have games crime rates would probably be a lot higher than they currently are because people need to put their anger somewhere.

Sure games might inspire certain individuals to do things that are not good for anyone and well against the law but it is still better than the alternative. a world driven my our main motive in life. sex. we play video games as kids quite a few hours a day, you are saying that instead of playing these violent games we should start watching porn a few hours a day??? and then the next day at school be talking to your buddies about how good the porn was the previous night instead of how skilled you are in video games? yeah the video games thing is still kind of sad, but i would not want to live in a world where aggresion is lost through porn.

hell, if that happens, hours of porn a day, the average age of losing virginity is probably going to go down significantly.

people get inspired by games to do bad things, you all know the situation,

do you really want people to start doing things inspired by porn (leading to rape, and other things), than the 0.0001% of the population that commits video game inspired crime? Cuz that number will be much bigger
 

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There are two sides to the argument, and they are both right - and both after the same fashion.

Let's consider the teenagers' age bracket - as it would be really wrong to even think about trying to say that there's good kiddy porn: that's awful, counter-nature, and illegal in most countries. No, let's hit the 13+ age category.

And before people start complaining, this is the average age for puberty, and in several countries, not all of them retarded, it is also the age of admissible first sexual relations, or at the very least, when sex ed takes place in schools; I'll use it as the minimum age where the two domains may cross on a purely 'intellectual' matter - that's a fact, you may disagree with it, so do I, but to each his own. Also, think about it: in most Christian countries, you can get married and have sex before you can enlist - or drink alcohol. End of digression.

Like there are games that are very good at developing thoughts processes, deductive reasoning, situation awareness, imagination and reaction time, there is tasteful porn out there, that, on top of purely 'artistic' (funny, dark, detective, instructive...) considerations, show proper practices (use of condoms, careful handling of the sex partner, accent put on sensuality, do not forget foreplay, both partners are equal in the practice...) - and there's crap: mindless violent games with gore and blood making you score points, and fap-till-Silicone-Bimbo-squeals-and-it-squirts porn.

It is also worth noting that in countries where sex ed doesn't exist and porn is forbidden, relationships with sexual encounters are usually quite unsatisfying, and more often than not, for the women especially: sorry guys, but it's true: fast, hard and rough are not much of a thrill for, and can even hurt, your female partner - who may actually enjoy this kind of 'move' if you take your time with foreplay, or pay attention to her mood.

It's like a super combo in a fighting game, if you don't grow your 'super' gauge or farm for skills and level up before you go to task, you will get suboptimal results, or even a miss. In both cases, you get a 'game over' - and there are no save points nor continue spots in RL.

In short, good porn can be used as an efficient sex-ed tool (medium and advanced; basic is still better out of a few diagrams), like good video games can be used as central nervous system development tool (medium and advanced, too: basics come from real toys - not that kind, pervs!).

In both cases, they can be used as reality simulators/demonstrators; they need to be correctly tuned however, so as not to induce a distortion in reality perceptions. It comes down to the same thing though, and since this kind of subject is worth more than a couple of books, I'll conclude with a very simple to understand sentence:

bad games and bad porn are bad. Good games and good porn are good. Adults decide what's good and bad. Please be careful when taking a decision for your kids who don't know better.

@aracheb: a comic book author once wrote (transl.): 'a beautiful love story comes with a beautiful sex story. And reciprocally.' From experience, he's right.
 

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I think it's illegal to show minors (anyone under 18, that is) pornography which makes it kind of amazing that there is so much god damn spam without reprecussions. some day there's probably going to be a lot of law suits revolving around minors being exposed to it. I mean, it isn't like people aren't sue happy any more ;)
 
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Film of people having sex is one thing, the porn environment is quite another. It's links to the illicit drug industry and various satanic cults are well known. The industry representatives are generally sleezballs, as seems obvious.
 

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[citation][nom]Zenthar[/nom]Surfing for kiddie porn is more likely done by people already pedophiles than actually create them.[/citation]

True or not, there would still be a correllation. It is certainly easier to catch a pedophile online before they commit a crime IRL.

[citation][nom]fulle[/nom]As adults we should have the freedom to view whatever we want, so long as nobody is hurt in the process... [/citation]

As per our little discussion, so it's not ok to sexually abuse a child, but looking at kiddie porn is fine in your book?
 

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Hey when I was a teenager I had to ransack the house to find a weather-beaten copy of my Dad's old Swank or Oui magazines. To me that was porn, and I was thankful, damn it. Especially after walking around school all day sporting wood. Teenage boys these days are just plain spoiled now with their instant on-demand hardcore streaming porn. And I say, good for them!
 

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[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Adult porn however has given some of the female roles big salaries for doing something that gives them a squishy.[/citation]

You obviously haven't heard of internet porn then. A lot of "women" (using the term "loosely" - as loose as some of the women you see - many are underaged and don't know any better) get scammed by porn makers into doing a little backroom "audition" but instead get taped behind the scenes before getting kicked out on their ass without getting a cent. I sure everyone here can name a few sites off the top of their head like that.

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]I think the chapo was refering to adult porn, not kiddie porn. Also, the initial statement by Ron Jeremy did not use kiddie porn as a specific theme....In Ron's "industry" kiddie porn doesn't even factor, he is comparing violent video games against two consenting adults fucking each other.[/citation]

And where do you cross the line for kids watching porn of adults only, instead of others of their own age? Sure, it's okay for kids to watch somebody else have sex, but not okay to do it themselves? Or tape it? Why the hypocrisy?

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]If you want to compare kiddie porn against something then snuff movies would be adequate, which is worse out of those two? One depicts scenes of death, the other of pleasure.[/citation]

How do you acknowledge the fact that some kids would interpret images of women soliciting acts of fornication while giving mixed signals as acceptable, as opposed to forms of rape? Haven't you seen any porn where the women yells "no, stop, that hurts" to no avail of the person doing the deed, or shock over the size of someone's member?

Not trying to sound like a dick (pun!), but I'm just presenting views that other people will argue with. There are fine lines here, but some don't recognize where they are, and when they've crossed them.
 

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Let's re-center the debate.

I guess the Hedgehog was really referring to 'legal porn': forbidden to less than 18 (or 21 depending on country, or forbidden at all). Yet, stuff like 'soft porn' or sensual movies (the difference is that genitals are not seen directly) can actually be acquired earlier - at an age similar to what is set for violent games with blood and gore. Not that they're less efficient a teaching tool.

Same difference.

About Internet popups: I would say that with stuff like popup blockers, adverts blockers and parental controls, it's getting rather easy to prevent kids from getting into 'bad' stuff; those that remain and pass through all that are akin to those sickos showing dirty pictures in the street.

Personally, I have yet to see cops patrolling the streets to catch those - because that would entail a police state. From an accidental quack (said sicko) to a systemic problem (a police state has no freedom, it's its definition), well...
 
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