Samsung Looks to Ban iPhone 4S Sales in France, Italy

[Parsian]

[citation][nom]kartu[/nom]Exactly what did you smoke today, pardon my French?Did Apple invent tablets? Nope, it's something from 90th.Did Apple invent "rectangular device with rounded corners"? (this "community design" is the reason Samsung Galaxy is banned in Europe's biggest market, Germany) Are you kidding me?Unlike with Apple's "innovations" of "we buy this and that and slap it there, then give it a spin in media" Samsung owns patent on actual technology. Something you spend money on when developing, you know, investing in R&D not simply buying a company that owns the patent. (like Apple with multitouch or now Siri)[/citation]


I am simply trying to say, the attitude is shifted from actual innovation and more focused on suppressing the other party rather than striving to be unique or improve on whats already been built. Steve Jobs did have the attitude at the beginning, not so much toward the end and maybe, he didnt have control or w/e... The point is, we are going backward now.

 

[AnUnusedUsername]

[citation][nom]ap3x[/nom]ProProtecting intellectual property is standard practice of any successful business. Unfortunatly it also creates allot of noise.[/citation]

They aren't actually protecting IP. Thats the problem with tech patents. Both companies came to similar solutions completely independently, but one of the got through the patent system first. It has absolutely nothing to do with protecting IP or anything of the sort. If I give two major corporations the same problem to solve, such as 1+1, they will both give me the same answer, but the one that patents it first can legally sue the other one.

You can't patent simple math, because there's only one answer. But with software and to a lesser extent hardware, there is also only one good answer to a given problem, and any experienced team will come to that answer. The patent system doesn't recognize this.

Legally it doesn't matter if you are stealing ideas or having your ideas stolen or the first or last to market. All that matters is who gets the patent first. If someone who you've never heard of and who's never heard of you was working on the same problem, you can sue them if you got through the patent system first. You could even legally sue the inventor of an idea you stole and patented. As long as you got the patent first, its completely ok.

 

[Guest]

@AnUnusedUsername

actually no, thats not how the patent system works, you cant patent IP, you can patent solutions and (as with junk patents) vague concepts/innovative ideas. IP is the process that was used to derive your solution/idea and yes if you can prove that you independently used your own research to derive to the same conclusion as the holder of the patent then you maybe allowed to employ said technology, it means you at vast cost to yourself explored and derived the same conclusion, the key is in the IP, it has to be complete and well documented from beginning to end unexplained large gaps in the methodology would point to plagiarism.

the patent system is design so that those who invest time and money in developing technology is not penalized by having those who did not develop said technology free-riding the idea at no cost to themselves

it all falls apart when referring to software patents and patents covering innovation, which allows you to patent vague ideas/concepts

 

[eddieroolz]

My opinion does not change. I'm no Apple lover but Samsung doesn't have a case with this one.

 

[Vladislaus]

[citation][nom]ap3x[/nom]The fact that some people where able to play MP3's on devices like an IPAQ is a BS argument. Where is your IPAQ now, gone, you can play MP3's on allot of phones but Apple made it accessible and easy to use with a format that allows them to optimize sound quality while saving as much space as they can while at the same time embedding metadata into the content so that you can have usable information about the track and see the album covers. Did not have all that on your IPAQ did you. Again, playing digital music was not an Apple invention, they just changed the way people accessed and managed the music and they did a good job with it.[/citation]
The feature you're referring is ID3. Apple didn't had any kind of interference in it's development, and no, the iPod wasn't the first MP3 player that could read tag information like the album cover. If I remember correctly the IPAQ could read ID3v2.





They did not invent the concept of a tablet, I had a Samsung Tablet 9 years ago with windows XP on it. Completely sucked because that form factor does not support general computing very well. Apple took the same uber failed concept and decided to put a OS purposely built for that form factor and just do the main things that most consumers people use on a computer for (email, calender, web) in a convenient, reliable easy to use interface. I was hugely skeptical at first but once I understood what their though process was it all made perfect sense which is why you see tablets eating into PC and laptop sales. Sure, there are things you can't do on the IPad 2 but if you need those things that is what a computer is for.[/citation]