Teen "Sexters" Facing Child Porn Charges

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There is clearly a victim here. "Phillip Alpert sent nude photographs taken of his then 16-year-old girlfriend to others after a breakup." For those of you who didn't bother to read the linked article, we'll add this "He took revenge with an electronic blast — e-mailing the photos of the 16-year-old girl to more than 70 people, including her parents, grandparents and teachers."

Some of you seem to be implying that this is just kids being kids. F that. He is a sex offender. This jerk certainly belongs on the sex offender list. It's not like they're both 40 years old. At least a 40 year old woman would have the adult experience to know that pics could leak. The whole point of protecting kids with different laws than adults, is that they don't have the experience to make adult choices.

So lets follow that up with, if the sender of the pics is under 18, don't try them as an adult unless it's meets the same criteria as other cases that get teens tried as adults. Alpert was 18 at the time he sent the pics, so I don't have a problem with his sentence.

Also, try to focus on "Teen "Sexters" Facing Child Porn Charges" Yeah some other laws that deal with teen sex need work. However, I don't see a problem with sex offender charges for adults taking revenge on people with sexually explicit pictures of them who were under age. Does it change the child porn aspect of it if he were selling the pics? What if he was trading them for beer? Respect?

 

[demonhorde665]

WTF????????

this guy was a KID !!!!! it's not liek he was a 40 year old man whacking it to pics of a 16 year old girl !!!!!!!!!!

GEEZUS CHRIST

what has this country come too ???
what 16 year old boy doesn't want to see 16 year old girls naked ??? i mean s--t it is part of natural life !!!! it doesn't make all 16 year old boys sex offenders !!!

granted the kid f---ed up and what he did was wrong ... but to be labeled and registered a sex offender till he 43 !!!! for something he did as a stupid kid DAMN !!!!!!!!

they are throwing any one they can in jail these days... who else heard about the guy that saved to old ladies fromgetting ran over , , got hit by the car him selv then got fined for jay walking ?? I tell you it's greed , cops are no longer here to "protect and serve. They just want to arrest who ever they can for what ever stupid charge, because it dumps money into the economy. they get free labor in prisons , and people they fine pay out the a-- for those fines. on top of it all they can say they need more tax money to pay for the poor shlubs they put behind bars.


news like this makes my stomache turn

 

[bounty]

[citation][nom]demonhorde665[/nom]for something he did as a stupid kid DAMN !!!!!!!! [/citation]

No, pay attention. He sent the pics as an adult . He's not in trouble because he took pics. If that was all he did, none of us would even know. What he did to screw up, was to send naked photos of a 16 year old to 70 people.

 

[norbs]

WOW, man I guess i was a sex offender at 16... *high five*

 

[Dave K]

Cuddles... the "Deal" these kids are most often being offered usually includes sex offender registry. Once you're on that list you're basically screwed.

And even if it's a "small number"... do you want YOUR kid put in that situation? You don't criminalize a poor decision in order to control an unrelated criminal activity. Throw a girl on the sex offender registry for taking pics of herself in order to keep it out of the hands of some sicko? That's CRAZY, WHO in their right mind could POSSIBLY rationalize such abject STUPIDITY. Poor decision making skills are NOT CRIMINAL... and not deviant either... they ARE the standard mode of operation for teens everywhere.

By all means go after adults who are disseminating these pictures... by the time you hit "majority" you should know better than to forward these materials, but for God's sake maintain a little perspective. Is real crime in this country so rare that wasting time on this crap is justifiable? Do we really need to make criminals out of stupid kids for behaving like stupid kids?

 

[Dave K]

bounty... I agree what the kid did was wrong... but he's clearly not a sexual predator. Mailing a nude photo of his girlfriend to 70 people is a malicious act... but not a sexual one. You're 100% wrong if you think the sex offender registry should be uses as a putative tool... the ONLY reason for its existence SHOULD be to inform people so they can protect themselves and their families from DANGEROUS SEXUAL PREDATORS. This kid clearly is NOT one... so if you want to bring him up on some other charge then I'd be all for it... or better yet... let his father tan his hide (Oh I forget... we're not allowed to do that anymore), but we need to quit using the sexual predator list as a punishment for non-predators.

 

[Blessedman]

You can't prevent people from doing what they want to do. By that I mean you cannot sway a person from doing what they want to do by means of punishment. Some people find the punishment within the realms of acceptance for the pursuit of their wants.

 

[bounty]

Dave K... lets not confuse words.

"The term sexual offender is a broad term, with sexual predator being used to describe a more severe physical or repeat sexual offense." http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender

I'd agree about not being a sexual predator. I'm still thinking that's a sex offender. Sending photo's of naked 16 year olds is bad. I don't think it makes you a better person if it's someone you nailed. If this was from a spy camera in a bedroom, posted to a an internet forum, at least the girl wouldn't have her freaking grandpa and her teachers opening emails with pics of her!

 

[Dave K]

Yes yes... "Sexual Offender"... a thinly veiled attempt to stigmatize as large a group as possible, necessitating the creation of a NEW term to qualify it for the "REALLY BAD" people.

The sad fact however is that most people don't know the difference and will attack a "Sexual Offender" in their neighborhood just as viciously as a predator (if they find out about them, the one difference is that in some places sexual offenders names aren't given out... at least not right now).

Regardless... this young man doesn't satisfy the general definition for EITHER label. His action was not sexually motivated at all... it was obviously simple spite.

Our "Justice" system needs to decide what they're after this kid for... is it the fact that he sent a nude picture of a teen over his phone the "crime"? If so then why hasn't the girl been charged? Obviously she's guilty of the EXACT same "Crime".

Or is it the fact that he used that picture as a way to get back at his girlfriend... then obviously it's a NOT sexual, he's just a malicious little shit.

The UNJUST use of this registry to stigmatize non-sexual offenders is a problem that only the scaling back of the power of this tool will rectify. Obviously our government cannot be trusted to use the small wit they have to justly determine what constitutes a sexual predator and what doesn't. Just look at the media, underage black men being arrested for allowing themselves to be given oral sex by an underage girl (result... innocent life RUINED). Young girls being arrested and put on the sex offender registry for sending nude pictures of themselves to their boyfriends (result... two innocent lives RUINED since the boyfriend was arrested for having the audacity to RECEIVE those pictures).

The system is BROKEN, the REAL sexual predators don't seem to have much trouble getting around it (saw a headline just yesterday... 12000 on myspace in PA alone... or were those just "Sexual Offenders"?)... but the zealots leave a swath of innocent human carnage in their wake as they pointlessly tilt at that windmill.

 

[seatrotter]

@techtre2003:
Yeah, you took me wrong.

The harsh punishment (up to a certain point) was not the issue. The "offenders" need to know what they did wrong and how in "deep sh!t" they are in. The point was, like what others (some) have pointed out, is that permanently branding these kind of "offenders" is not the way.

 

[demonhorde665]

[citation][nom]bounty[/nom]No, pay attention. He sent the pics as an adult . He's not in trouble because he took pics. If that was all he did, none of us would even know. What he did to screw up, was to send naked photos of a 16 year old to 70 people.[/citation]


tom's didnt say what age he was , but yeah i see it now ont eh origianl article , but still 18 is hardly an adult .. sure teh alw defines it as such but let's face facts, I'm 29 years old now and i know now that ALL 18 year olds are just slightly bigger and actually dumber kids.because the hit 18 and and think they know every thing at least a 16 year old know that they don't know every thing LOL, but that all aside even at 18 i don't think he should be registered as a sex offender for basically what wil be his entire sexually/dating active life span. nor do i agree that a 15 eyar old girl should be charged for child porn when it was her own pics she did that with. granted neither thing that either of tehse kids did was right , but it doens't mean they should be labeled as sex offenders along side of rapist and such kinds of people.

 

[techtre2003]

@Dave K
I'm not disagreeing with you that the guy doesn't deserve to be on the sex offenders list; I actually have feelings both ways on that issue. However, I don't think you can say this wasn't a sex crime. No he didn't commit a sexual act, but he maliciously used sexual photos to assert a position of power over the girl. Many times rape is not "sexually motivated" but is an act to gain power over the victim.

He probably doesn't go on the same list as the rapist, but then again I think he should be sex offender. As a father, I would like to know if the guy my daughter was dating sent nude photos of his ex-girlfriend out to a bunch of people when he was 18. I'm not saying he would necessarily do it again, but at least I would be aware of it and more importantly she would be aware of it. So again, maybe have varying degrees of sex offenders?

 

[techtre2003]

@Seatrotter
OK, so we are in agreement of the core issue here.

 

[Dave K]

techtre2003: I'm not a big fan of the whole power and control BS... in my experience it's 180 degrees wrong most of the time. In this case I'd say the guy was reacting to a LACK of control... the girl ditched him and he did the jackass thing and lashed out at her in a way tailored to cause maximum embarrassment to her.

I think the fundamental problem with the system is the way these sorts of basically non-sexual (the guy wasn't after any sort of sexual gratification... just simple revenge) are thrown under the offender umbrella because it's more damaging to the perpetrator than the laws he SHOULD be getting prosecuted under (probably a misdemeanor).

I can certainly understand someone with girls wanting to protect their kids, but these laws are now often being use to go after the girls too... so you've got to decide if the fix is worse than the crime. I've got two boys, and I've already had to defend my oldest from some rabid feminazi who went after him because her niece (who he's friends with) was crying not long after they'd hung out for an evening... that was all it took and she accused him of RAPING her. Turns out her sister had been being a jerk to her... but the immediate jump to "He sexually assaulted her" is IMO a symptom of a society that has gone WAY overboard with this crap.

If my son was guilty of doing what this kid did I'd throw him a beating he wouldn't soon forget... but I've never had to lay a hand on him in his 18 years, he knows right and wrong. At the same time... I'd fight like hell to keep him off that assenine registry. We ruin kids lives with "Sexual Offender" status but God forbid we teach them right from wrong (with a firm hand when required).

 

[salsoolo]

kids are getting blowjobs as part of their 8th grade curriculum.
where was all that fun when i was coming of age back in the 80s?