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"The best way I've found to deal with it is to set up a manual
recording
on Comedy Central from 11:00-11:30 (used to be 11:00-12:00 when Collin
was still on). Until Comedy Central gets their act together and starts
reporting episode numbers, this is really the only way to deal with
it."

I'm still surpirsed that Tivo does not let you change the options on a
season pass- like I can with my DVR. I set mine to record The Daily
Show show Monday-Thursday at 11PM.
 
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GaryM wrote:
> (By the way, this is one area where Tivo has better scheduling that
> MythtV, because I can record the slot once a week, or every day in
> Myth, whereas I suffer only one wasted day with Tivo's M-F option.)

Hey, if I could drill your brain a bit, I was thinking about building a
MythTV box. What kind of video card does yours use? How does the
recording quality and convenience compare to Tivo? Was it a hassle to
get set up?

I've been putting together the components for my own Myth box (all I
need now are a case and video card). I thought it might be a nice
alternative to Tivo, since I presume it's easier to get raw Mpeg-2
files from it and it doesn't have a monthly fee to use. But I really
enjoy the convenience and quality of Tivo and wasn't sure how they
compared.

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smaug86 wrote:
> "The best way I've found to deal with it is to set up a manual
> recording
> on Comedy Central from 11:00-11:30 (used to be 11:00-12:00 when Collin
> was still on). Until Comedy Central gets their act together and starts
> reporting episode numbers, this is really the only way to deal with
> it."
>
> I'm still surpirsed that Tivo does not let you change the options on a
> season pass- like I can with my DVR. I set mine to record The Daily
> Show show Monday-Thursday at 11PM.
>

Actually you can, that's exactly what a manual recording is (well, you
may only have a M-F option, not sure about that). But the Tivo is
trying to be *smarter* than that. It doesn't want to assume that a show
is on at a particular time, you tell it what show, it will find when and
where it's on. This almost always works great and is much easier than a
recording dictated by time. It'll catch reschedulings and preemptions
that your DVR's method won't.

However, these "smarts" are only as good as the information provided it
(garbage in, garbage out, you know ;-), and a few shows (The Daily show
in particular apparently) don't send reliable guide information all the
time. You can hardly blame this on Tivo.

I noticed that SNL must have had bad guide info this weekend as well, I
got a 3 am recording of a classic SNL repeat rather than the 11:30 new
one. Oh well, probably better material anyway ;-). Anybody else see
the same thing? Or has everybody given up completely on SNL (I probably
watch 25% after skimming through the truly horrible skits).

Randy S.
 
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elrous0@pop.uky.edu wrote in
news:1113252746.854927.87310@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

> Hey, if I could drill your brain a bit, I was thinking about
> building a MythTV box. What kind of video card does yours use? How
> does the recording quality and convenience compare to Tivo? Was it
> a hassle to get set up?

I went with the Hauppage PVR-350 and the quality is superb. It is as
good as, if not better than Tivo. With the on-board MPEG enc/dec the
CPU barely breaks a sweat during recording or playback leading me to
believe I overpowered the box selecting a Sempron 1.8GHz. The
responsiveness of the menus is way better than Tivo (especially when
my starts to fill up), however they do lack the high quality and
clarity of Tivo. Commercial skipping is outstanding. The system is
very stable, but every now and then the front-end crashes. You just
don't see stuff like that with Tivo.

I have to be brutally honest and say it is a *huge* hassle to get
going. I'm reasonably *nix savvy and I spent 3 weeks in oscillating
between phases of dispair and hope, wondering what I was going to do
with this hardware I dropped good coin on. When I got it going I
vowed never to touch a thing about it. All I will say is that there
is help out there and most of the questions have been asked and
answered, but finding them can be a pain.

I feel more comfortable now and will upgrade to 0.18 which comes out
in the next day or two.

Here's my Newegg order:

1x CASE ANTEC|MINUET 220W RETAIL (this is a good choice but you WILL
need another fan or the thing hums like cicada)
1x MB NFORCE 3 K8VGAM BIOSTAR RTL
1x TV TUNER HAUPAUGE|WINTV-PVR 350 PCI
2x DDRAM 512MB|64X64 PC-2700 8T CRL%
1x HD 200GB| SEAGATE 7200 ST3200822A
1x CPU AMD|SEMPRN 1.8GHZ SDA3100AXBOX
1x KB&MS LOGITECH|CORDLESS DSKTP LX501

>
> I've been putting together the components for my own Myth box (all
> I need now are a case and video card). I thought it might be a
> nice alternative to Tivo, since I presume it's easier to get raw
> Mpeg-2 files from it and it doesn't have a monthly fee to use. But
> I really enjoy the convenience and quality of Tivo and wasn't sure
> how they compared.

I believe many folks go for the Nvidia GEForce FX5200 as you can pick
them up for well under a 100 bucks these days. This device has on-
board MPEG decoding too I believe as well as TV out. You'll still
need a tuner though.

The .nuv format is MPEG I believe and so simply mapping a network
drive from your linux box with Samba gets you access to all your
tapings. Likewise, you have the option of centralizing the myth
backend and running the frontend(s) on a different box(es). All good
stuff.

I will strongly recommend you stick with the common flavors of Linux
folks use. I went with FC3 and you'll see many references to "jaord's
guide" which is the set up guide for Myth and FC2. I sent the guy
money when I was done. It was *that* useful.

My email is live, so drop me a line if I can be of further
assistance, especially when you get into the project ...

Gary
 
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Has anyone figured out which show to Tivo on the west coast that is
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"Randy S." <rswittno@spamgmail.com> wrote in news:d3eiaf$1gqs$1
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> I noticed that SNL must have had bad guide info this weekend as well, I
> got a 3 am recording of a classic SNL repeat rather than the 11:30 new
> one. Oh well, probably better material anyway ;-). Anybody else see
> the same thing? Or has everybody given up completely on SNL (I probably
> watch 25% after skimming through the truly horrible skits).

I used to do that. Then it got down to just a few skits and Weekend
Update. Then just a couple skits and Weekend Update. Then just Weekend
Update. Then I decided if I wanted to watch a couple retards whine about
politics, I could just as well tune in to (insert favorite or most hated
talking head here) and deleted the SP.

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elrous0@pop.uky.edu wrote:
> the duplicates). They also don't pay too much attention to the clock,
> regularly starting/ending their shows late.

My manual recording is padded 1 minute early and two minutes late.
It really disturbs my karma to have it stop just after Jon says "here's
your moment of zen:" ;-)

> It's ironic, since John Stewart is always talking about his Tivo. I
> wonder if he's ever tried recording his OWN show.

Not if he did a wishlist with "John" Stewart ;-)

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> My manual recording is padded 1 minute early and two minutes late.
> It really disturbs my karma to have it stop just after Jon says "here's
> your moment of zen:" ;-)

Damn, that's a good idea, I hate that too!

Randy S.
 
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GaryM wrote:
> My email is live, so drop me a line if I can be of further
> assistance, especially when you get into the project ...

Wow, thanks for all the info! I have a couple of ATI All-in-wonder
cards laying around that I was going to use (I understand that getting
them to place nice with Linux can be a bit of a chore). Processor is a
2.2 Ghz P4. I've got 512 MB of RAM. I'm hoping this will be enough even
without hardware Mpeg encoding (don't think the all-in-wonders will do
this).

-Eric
 
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"Actually you can, that's exactly what a manual recording is"

I can also make a manual recording of any channel on any day at any
time(and then adjusting it still more if I want). What I was talking
about is actually selecting a series for your Season Pass and then
adjusting the recording options for that series while still in the
Season Pass mode. I can record a series on just one day or everyday or
only on Monday and Tuesday, If I want. It's pretty flexible and it's
something I would expect to be able to do on TiVo, if and when I ever
decide to buy one.

"It'll catch reschedulings and preemptions
that your DVR's method won't."

The Daily Show doesn't get rescheduled and pre-empted.

"However, these "smarts" are only as good as the information provided
it"

Exactly. If the program guide does not list the rescheduled programs
then no amount of recording options and features will save you.

"I noticed that SNL must have had bad guide info this weekend as well,
I
got a 3 am recording of a classic SNL repeat rather than the 11:30 new
one. Oh well, probably better material anyway ;-). Anybody else see
the same thing?"

My DVR only recorded the new 11:30PM episode so we have to be getting
our guide info from different sources. My cable company is Time
Warner.l
 
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Ok, my laptop crashed the other day, so I can't respond to the
appropriate post in this thread, but I discovered why my TDS recordings
were repeating, and it wasn't the guides fault!

Well, it was, but it was a local guide problem not a source problem.
Seems my Tivo stopped recognizing my network adapter at some point and I
was down to 3 days of guide data. Since it must have lost it almost 2
weeks ago, I have no idea why, but I do seem to recall some
thunderstorms and power outages back then.

I know that TDS doesn't announce its guests very far in advance, so I'm
certain that's why I was getting so many repeats. A simple reboot of
the DVR got my adapter recognized again and all new guide data.

Randy S.
 
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smaug86 wrote:
> "Actually you can, that's exactly what a manual recording is"
>
> I can also make a manual recording of any channel on any day at any
> time(and then adjusting it still more if I want). What I was talking
> about is actually selecting a series for your Season Pass and then
> adjusting the recording options for that series while still in the
> Season Pass mode. I can record a series on just one day or everyday or
> only on Monday and Tuesday, If I want. It's pretty flexible and it's
> something I would expect to be able to do on TiVo, if and when I ever
> decide to buy one.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Why would you want to only
record a new show only part of the time? And what would your criteria
be? Tivo offers all reasonable options I believe, new shows only, new
shows and repeats, or all showings. I can't really see other situations
that I'd want often enough such that it wouldn't be easier to just
supplement w/ a manual recording.

>
> "It'll catch reschedulings and preemptions
> that your DVR's method won't."
>
> The Daily Show doesn't get rescheduled and pre-empted.

No? How about the expanded shows during the elections (I'd call that a
change in schedule)? Would your DVR have gotten all those for you
automatically, even though they weren't in the normal time slot? Tivo's
software would and did.

>
> "However, these "smarts" are only as good as the information provided
> it"
>
> Exactly. If the program guide does not list the rescheduled programs
> then no amount of recording options and features will save you.

Well, that's true for everyone. However guide mistakes are not that
common. TDS's schedule is sometimes screwed up, but as I noted in
another post the repeated mistakes I was getting turned out to be my
fault, not Tivo's.

>
> "I noticed that SNL must have had bad guide info this weekend as well,
> I
> got a 3 am recording of a classic SNL repeat rather than the 11:30 new
> one. Oh well, probably better material anyway ;-). Anybody else see
> the same thing?"
>
> My DVR only recorded the new 11:30PM episode so we have to be getting
> our guide info from different sources. My cable company is Time
> Warner.l

I do think it uses different guide data, but in this particular case my
recording was screwed up by the same reason as above, lack of guide
updates on my part.

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In article <d3gjah$rgi$1@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu>,
"Randy S." <rswittno@spamgmail.com> writes:
>
> I discovered why my TDS recordings
> were repeating, and it wasn't the guides fault!
>
> Well, it was, but it was a local guide problem not a source problem.
> Seems my Tivo stopped recognizing my network adapter at some point and I
> was down to 3 days of guide data.
....
> A simple reboot of
> the DVR got my adapter recognized again and all new guide data.

Are you saying that you've actually got data for "The Daily Show" now and
that shows aren't repeat-recording? If so, you're luckier than I am; the
last I checked (last night), "The Daily Show" was still not delivering
full data and my DirecTiVo was scheduling every showing it could. :-( I do
have close to two weeks of guide data, too.

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>>A simple reboot of
>>the DVR got my adapter recognized again and all new guide data.
>
>
> Are you saying that you've actually got data for "The Daily Show" now and
> that shows aren't repeat-recording? If so, you're luckier than I am; the
> last I checked (last night), "The Daily Show" was still not delivering
> full data and my DirecTiVo was scheduling every showing it could. :-( I do
> have close to two weeks of guide data, too.
>

Hmm, you're right, I have not confirmed that. I just assumed that the
two were connected since it seemed very coincidental. I'll check
tonight, but I think you are correct as the online schedule (at
https://www3.tivo.com/tivo-com/tco/search.do) shows generic descriptions
only as well.

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In article <1113283751.766075.252810@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
relaxification@hotmail.com writes:
>
> Has anyone figured out which show to Tivo on the west coast that is
> beepless?

AFAIK, none is beepless. It's just that they got (special?) dispensation
to not beep one "naughty" word on some showings of one particular show,
presumably because the word was part of the title of the book whose author
was on the show.

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None of them will be completely uncensored.
But the show at the live 10:00 PM (central) time slot
will be able to get more through the censors than the repeat
of the same episode showing again at say 9:00 am.

And the Daily Show has been like this with the episode data & TiVo for
years.
Nothing new.

relaxification@hotmail.com wrote:

>Has anyone figured out which show to Tivo on the west coast that is
>beepless?
>
>
>

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RicSeyler wrote:
> None of them will be completely uncensored.
> But the show at the live 10:00 PM (central) time slot
> will be able to get more through the censors than the repeat
> of the same episode showing again at say 9:00 am.
>
> And the Daily Show has been like this with the episode data & TiVo for
> years.
> Nothing new.

True to some extent, but this is the longest extended period of time
that I've seen it like this.

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In article <o3Z6e.70038$wo1.68447@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
RicSeyler <ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net> writes:
>
> And the Daily Show has been like this with the episode data & TiVo for
> years.
> Nothing new.

Yes and no. Several months ago it was like this (no episode-specific guide
data), but a few months ago they got their act together and started
delivering guide data a week or so before shows aired. Thus, the annoying
repeat recording problem went away for several months. About two weeks
ago, the episode-specific data disappeared again.

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On 4/12/2005 19:46, RicSeyler allegedly wrote:
> None of them will be completely uncensored.
> But the show at the live 10:00 PM (central) time slot
> will be able to get more through the censors than the repeat
> of the same episode showing again at say 9:00 am.

They tape it at about 6:30 NY time.
 
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smaug86 wrote:
> I can also make a manual recording of any channel on any day at any
> time(and then adjusting it still more if I want). What I was talking
> about is actually selecting a series for your Season Pass and then
> adjusting the recording options for that series while still in the
> Season Pass mode. I can record a series on just one day or everyday
or
> only on Monday and Tuesday, If I want.

Pragmatically, what's the difference between that and a manual
recording? What's the difference between you saying "I want to record
the Daily Show each night at 11pm" and me setting up a manual recording
to record Comedy Central each night from 11:00-11:30? Either way, if
neither of us have the guide data to distinguish between new shows and
repeats (and I'm sure your guide ultimately uses data from Tribune
Media Services, same as Tivo and all other PVR's). So, either way, it's
a manual recording.

The only real advantage I see in your method is that it (presumably)
won't record if The Daily Show is preempted or just not shown some
night (which almost never happens). It also makes it easier to deal
with Fridays (on Tivo there is a way to deal with that too, but it
takes a little more time to set up than your method). Either way, this
is a fairly trivial difference, in practical application.

Compare this to the many advantages that Tivo offers (especially now,
with since they introduced TivotoGo and made their Home Media service
free) and it would seem a pretty minor advantage. With the ability to
add extra hard drives, TivotoGo, and all the neat Home Media options
Tivo has (listening to internet radio and MP3's through the network,
weather and news, transfering videos to DVD, etc.) Tivo simply can't be
touched by any other stand-alone PVR. And Tivo has even recently
released development kits so that even more stuff can be offered in the
future (ebay over your Tivo, etc.).

-Eric
 

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