Those old record labels

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So the hardware in portrait was doctored to fit the potential clients.
Funny how the top brass at HMV never noticed the missing interface! Must
have caused a few red faces when it was later spotted.
When was that heist? Sure it wasn't a copy of the one in London?
We often refer to that logo painting as "Nipper and Trumpet", although its
correct title is "His Master's Voice".
Jim

"Bob Olhsson" <olh@hyperback.com> wrote in message
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>> -- A trivia question. Why is the Victor's HMV label picture with
>> Nipper closely hearing a Berliner gramophone a fictional one (ie. it
>> couldn't happen in reality as a detail on the picture is missing)?
>
> The gramophone was painted over several times because the artist was
> attempting to sell it to different companies. It may well have even been a
> cylinder player at one point. The "Dog," as the painting is affectionately
> known, has lived in a variety of places over the years. Some friends of
> mine
> actually stole it from the executive offices of the Capitol Tower for a
> few
> days!
>
>
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On 17 Feb 2005 19:19:38 -0800, "Joseph Meditz"
<carbontrebles@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>I was just reminiscing about the many old major record >labels that
>used to
>>be around. Would anybody like to add to the list?
>
>
>>Kapp
>>Roullette (tommy james and the shondelles)
>>Decca
>>Reprise (hendrix)
>>Rhino
>>Verve (zappa), not really major.
>>Atlantic (zep, ray charles)
>>Vee Jay
>>Capitol (remember the old beatles 45's w/their orange >and yellow)
>>Chrysalis (tull)
>>Epic
>>Mercury
>>Apple
>>Parlaphone
>>MCA
>>Columbia
>>CBS
>>Sun
>>Stax
>>RSO (clapton)
>
>Chess.

I guess people have a lot of different definitions of "major". Chess,
Sun, RPM, Atlantic (in the 50s), etc were considered "independents"
and the usually specialized in music and markets that the major labels
ignored, such blues, country, cajun, rock n roll, etc. Mainstream
labels would be like RCA, Mercury, Capitol and Columbia, etc, outfits
that had much deeper pockets for promoting pop records than the
smaller labels did. The only way labels like Sun and Chess could
compete was by recording music that the big labels overlooked.

Al

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> Stax

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On 17 Feb 2005 20:43:47 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
wrote:

>
>In article <l37Rd.1620$E36.1134@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net> jim.greg@ntlworld.com writes:
>
>> What an amazing revelation about a very important missing detail, the
>> cranking handle.
>> This is typical of someone uneducated not bothering to include necessary
>> engineering items as it looks "good enough".
>> It's like making a bicycle but without pedals!
>
>Actually, it's about the same as a painting of a bicycle with pedals,
>but parked.
>
>Perhaps Nipper had heard his master's voice coming from the horn
>before, and was waiting to hear it again as soon as someone cranked
>the player. Nobody said he was actually hearing anything at the time
>the picture was painted.

- Well. Here I go again, with my old bad habit to fire without without
aiming.
I have come to a conclusion that Nipper might hear to a Berliner
gramophone at stillstand following reading a book where the very first
Berliner gramophone is described and there were evidently hand-cranked
ie. w/o any motors. There in the book is also a copy of a instruction
manual page where it is described how to turn a crank so the record
would turn at some 70 rpm. This made me construct the conclusion. But
logics without enough facts isn't a quite valid logics at all. So I
had to check further on the Internet; this I should have done before!

And yes, here we go -- this particular Berliner gramophone is an
_improved_ type with a motor. So, the situation where the dog is
hearing to the uncranked Berliner Improved gramophone is a valid one.
This may be seen at the video I came across (click the Quick Time sign
and allow the movie to load partially (the entire movie is abt 4 MB):
http/www.coleccionfb.com/video%207.htm

And yes, as you see, the crank is being turned around by a spring
motor.

I would apologize to Jim Gregory and the others for this. At least now
I'll remember to doublecheck the facts I'm dealing with and you've got
still an another trivia issue about the famous picture.

Oh yes, I feel I'd apologize to the memory of Francis Barraud, the
painter who made the picture.


Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia

 

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"Edi Zubovic" <edi.zubovic[rem this]@ri.htnet.hr> wrote in message
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> >Perhaps Nipper had heard his master's voice coming from the horn
> >before, and was waiting to hear it again as soon as someone cranked
> >the player. Nobody said he was actually hearing anything at the time
> >the picture was painted.
>
> - Well. Here I go again, with my old bad habit to fire without without
> aiming.
> I have come to a conclusion that Nipper might hear to a Berliner
> gramophone at stillstand following reading a book where the very first
> Berliner gramophone is described and there were evidently hand-cranked
> ie. w/o any motors. There in the book is also a copy of a instruction
> manual page where it is described how to turn a crank so the record
> would turn at some 70 rpm. This made me construct the conclusion. But
> logics without enough facts isn't a quite valid logics at all. So I
> had to check further on the Internet; this I should have done before!
>
> And yes, here we go -- this particular Berliner gramophone is an
> _improved_ type with a motor. So, the situation where the dog is
> hearing to the uncranked Berliner Improved gramophone is a valid one.
> This may be seen at the video I came across (click the Quick Time sign
> and allow the movie to load partially (the entire movie is abt 4 MB):
> http/www.coleccionfb.com/video%207.htm
>
> And yes, as you see, the crank is being turned around by a spring
> motor.
>
> I would apologize to Jim Gregory and the others for this. At least now
> I'll remember to doublecheck the facts I'm dealing with and you've got
> still an another trivia issue about the famous picture.
>
> Oh yes, I feel I'd apologize to the memory of Francis Barraud, the
> painter who made the picture.

Now that we've established that...is it true that an earlier version of the
painting had a coffin in the corner, presumably containing His Master?

Peace,
Paul

 

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In article <5CiRd.234547$w62.12475@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> pstamlerhell@pobox.com writes:

> Now that we've established that...is it true that an earlier version of the
> painting had a coffin in the corner, presumably containing His Master?

Seems like I've heard that story. It was painted out because it was
offensive.

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:31:45 GMT, "Paul Stamler"
<pstamlerhell@pobox.com> wrote:

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>Now that we've established that...is it true that an earlier version of the
>painting had a coffin in the corner, presumably containing His Master?
>
>Peace,
>Paul

-- Some say yes some say no.
Personally, I think in that sad and solemn moment, nobody would come
to an idea to make obscure experiments. But this is my opinion though;
this story

http/www.todotango.com/english/biblioteca/cronicas/perrito.html

could be more accurate I think.


Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia

 

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"Jim Gregory" <jim.greg@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>...Sure it wasn't a copy of the one in London?

That's what the folks who took it figured but all hell broke loose because
apparently it really WAS the original so it was quietly returned!

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