What are 'unlocked' cell-phones?

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David Cook wrote:
> "> Good News: VZW phones are definately not locked.
>
>>Bad News: VZW phones DO NOT run Java Software - they run BREW Software .
>>
>>
>
>
> You assert that VZW phone are not locked, but you don't explain.
> (VZW tech support acknowledges that both of mine are locked.)
>
> And, you are incorrect (about the Java Software). You MEANT
> to say that some/many/most of phones being offered by VZW run
> BREW software, right?


> (I have one VZW phone, a Samsung A650, which is indeed BREW-based.
> My wife has a VZW phone, a Motorola V60S, which is Java-based.)

Ummmm.

You only have a Java-capable Motorola v60s if you bought that v60s from a
carrier that supports Java apps. If the phone was originally sold for use on
Verizon's network, it WILL NOT RUN JAVA.

If you have a v60s that was sold for use on Verizon's network and it does run
Java, someone screwed up at Motorola!

Now, you could conceivably buy a v60 that uses CDMA technology from another
CDMA carrier that does support Java. A Sprint v60v, for example, could run on
Verizon's network since it's a CDMA phone, and Sprint's PCS Vision applications
are Java applications. Assuming you were able to get the master subsidy lock
code and unlock the phone, you would have a phone you could use on Verizon's
network that runs Java.

But that'd be the only way to do it.

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In news:g-udnV86CtCOWyrcRVn-3Q@comcast.com,
David Cook <someone@microsoft.com> typed:
> "> Good News: VZW phones are definately not locked.
>>
>> Bad News: VZW phones DO NOT run Java Software - they run BREW
>> Software .
>
> You assert that VZW phone are not locked, but you don't explain.
> (VZW tech support acknowledges that both of mine are locked.)
>
> And, you are incorrect (about the Java Software). You MEANT
> to say that some/many/most of phones being offered by VZW run
> BREW software, right?
> (I have one VZW phone, a Samsung A650, which is indeed BREW-based.
> My wife has a VZW phone, a Motorola V60S, which is Java-based.)

I was not aware that there were VZW phones which did Java.
I understood that VZW was committed to using only BREW.
BREW programming is only for the serious programmer due to the expense
involved.

Un-Locked phones refers to the ability to get the phone set up on a carier
other than the one from whom you purchased it. There are programs which
will allow you to hack some of phones. I have used "BitPim" with my VX4400.
There is also a freeware program called "gagin".

There are ways to use the web browser without paying VZW.
It is different for each phone - I do it on my VX4400.
You change to a free WAP server address and the settings required to use it.
This change is usually done it test setup. Menu "0" Password "000000" on
the VX4400 - other phones may be different.

 

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In article <cp8oni$tg9$1@ratbert.glorb.com>,
Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
>David Cook wrote:
>>>Joseph wrote:
>>>Alltel and Verizon are the only CDMA carriers that I know for sure don't
>>>lock their phones.
>>
>>
>> I think you must mean 'who DO lock their phones', right?
>
>No. I wrote exactly what I meant. Alltel doesn't, Verizon doesn't. I know from
>experience being a former customer of both carriers.
>
>I'm not 100% sure about the other carriers. Some of them do lock their phones
>but will give you the unlock codes after you've been a customer for a set
>amount of time.
>
>> I have two phones from Verizon, and they are both locked.
>> (Which frustrates me immensely, as I'm trying to learn how to
>> load Java software into a cell-phone, and this lockout keeps
>> me from using WAP to load software into the phone.)
>>
>> Any developers out here who can enlighten me if there are OTHER
>> ways to load software into a Motorola phone BESIDE using WAP?
>>
>> e.g. is it possible to use a data-cable to load a Java-app into a locked
>> Motorola phone?
>
>I *just* answered this question in another thread. You CAN NOT load a Java 2
>Mobile Edition app onto a Verizon phone! VERIZON PHONES DO NOT RUN JAVA.

More precisely, the specific phones sold by VZW don't run Java. The same
model phone sold by someone else may well run Java. The software loaded
in the phone is specific to the wireless provider who is selling the
phone. The manufacturer (say, Motorola) writes the actual software,
but the provider says what features they want. For example, VZW had
Motorola disable many of the Bluetooth profiles in the V710.

And concerning "locks", there are three different kind of locks on
CDMA phones:

1) 3-digit unlock code. Specified by the user. This is just a keyboard
lock, so if someone gets access to your phone, they cannot make calls.

2) 6-digit security code. Also specified by the user. The user needs this
to change certain configuration parameters, such as the phone number,
and must be all zeroes for PRL updates with *228. The phone programming
tools on the "flash" computers at VZW stores can blow this away.

3) Master Subsidy Lock. This is set by the provider, and locks the phone
to a specific provider. (OK... actually, if you have the MSL, or it is
not set, you can change the MSL yourself. But if you forget what you
set it to, you have a nice paperweight.) Unlike GSM SIM-locks, there
is no magic formula to compute the MSL from the serial number (ESN);
its just a random number which the provider who locked the phone looks
up in their database. The programming software on the VZW cannot break
this lock (although I am sure there is bootleg software which can).
When people talk about a phone being "locked" from service on another
provider, it is the MSL which they are talking about.

 

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David Cook <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

> I smell a rat.
>
> (Luckily, we have a 14-day trial period with the new 2-year service
> contract. Unless I hear some good answers from Verizon, our new one is
> gonna have the plug pulled.)

You can relax. Verizon does not subsidy-lock their phones. There will
be no MSL code required to reprogram, and the security code will be either
set for all zeroes or the last 4 digits of your phone number.

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On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:27:14 -0500, "David Cook"
<someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

>You assert that VZW phone are not locked, but you don't explain.
>(VZW tech support acknowledges that both of mine are locked.)

I'm guessing you and IMHO are talking about different 'locked'. I was
a Verizon dealer for ... gosh, 4 years. Verizon phones were not LOCKED
in the terms of a MSL.
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:15:39 -0800, Evan Platt
<evan@TheObvious.espphotography.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:27:14 -0500, "David Cook"
><someone@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>You assert that VZW phone are not locked, but you don't explain.
>>(VZW tech support acknowledges that both of mine are locked.)
>
>I'm guessing you and IMHO are talking about different 'locked'. I was
>a Verizon dealer for ... gosh, 4 years. Verizon phones were not LOCKED
>in the terms of a MSL.

What does MSL stand for?

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C-squared wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:15:39 -0800, Evan Platt
> <evan@TheObvious.espphotography.com> wrote:
> What does MSL stand for?
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
MSL = Master Security Lock

 

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<gk.latv@excite.com> wrote in message news:1103293689.388721.270430@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> C-squared wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:15:39 -0800, Evan Platt
>> <evan@TheObvious.espphotography.com> wrote:
>> What does MSL stand for?
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
> MSL = Master Security Lock
>

Master Subsidy Lock is the way I heard it.

 

[graemepaul]

I think locking of the phones are done for there on network usage only and phones which are not locked to particular carriers as by AT&T.The phone should be unlocked that can be used for other networks also.

 

[jaguarskx]

So what is the point of replying to a thread from December 2004?

 

[buwish]

Typical spammer.