Will Nikon Ever Dominate Again

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JackN wrote:
> Go on, tell us what 'event' occurred in 1987 to propel Canon to world
> dominance.

Canon recognized that the FD lens mount was not going to take them where
they wanted to go, in terms of auto-focus, camera to lens communiction,
and lens selection. The move to EOS pissed off a lot of people with big
collections of FD equipment, but it enabled Canon to dominate certain
markets completley (sports, since Nikon's mount prevented them from an
equivalent to the BWLs), and to gain a respectable market share for
studio and wedding professionals.

Now many people will claim that they love Nikon because Nikon has stuck
with the F mount. But many older F mount lenses have severe limitations
on newer bodies anyway. So Nikon has kept all the baggage of the F
mount, for the illusion of backward compatibility. They'd have been
better off with a new lens mount that included some sort of adapter to
use older lenses. Canon sold just such an adapter for EOS body to FD lens.

 

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I believe that the removable prism does not contain the meter. Nikon
had the F2A and the F2AS. The S version had an LED metering system.

Joe Makowiec wrote:

>On 08 Jan 2005 in rec.photo.digital, measekite wrote:
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>>Canon had the Pelix and the F1. This had an add on motor and
>>interchangeable focusing screens that you changed from inside the lens
>>cavity. It did not have interchangeable meters, backs etc.
>>
>>
>
>F1? Sure did - backs, prisms, focusing screens that you changed after
>removing the prism:
>
>http/www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/canonf1/html/concept.htm
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>

 

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measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in news:KuXDd.9529$5R.1512
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> I believe that the removable prism does not contain the meter. Nikon
> had the F2A and the F2AS. The S version had an LED metering system.
>

I had a Nikon F2 that came with a meterless prism. It was much smaller than
the typical prism.

Bob

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You hit the nail on the head. I have a Nikon F2A system. While all of
my lenses will fit the D70 physically, I would not have auto focus,
metering and maybe some other features.

Basically I am starting from scratch. So I will be making a decision
Canon vs Nikon DSLR without consideration of any existing equipment,
inclujding flash.

Steven M. Scharf wrote:

> JackN wrote:
>
>> Go on, tell us what 'event' occurred in 1987 to propel Canon to world
>> dominance.
>
>
> Canon recognized that the FD lens mount was not going to take them
> where they wanted to go, in terms of auto-focus, camera to lens
> communiction, and lens selection. The move to EOS pissed off a lot of
> people with big collections of FD equipment, but it enabled Canon to
> dominate certain markets completley (sports, since Nikon's mount
> prevented them from an equivalent to the BWLs), and to gain a
> respectable market share for studio and wedding professionals.
>
> Now many people will claim that they love Nikon because Nikon has
> stuck with the F mount. But many older F mount lenses have severe
> limitations on newer bodies anyway. So Nikon has kept all the baggage
> of the F mount, for the illusion of backward compatibility. They'd
> have been better off with a new lens mount that included some sort of
> adapter to use older lenses. Canon sold just such an adapter for EOS
> body to FD lens.
>

 

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My mistake.

sp77 wrote:

>>>Years ago Photography was spelled GERMAN like in ... Hasselblad<<
>>>
>>>
>Hasselblad bodies were (and are) swedish and indeed made in sweden
>
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>

 

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measekite wrote:
> You hit the nail on the head. I have a Nikon F2A system. While all of
> my lenses will fit the D70 physically, I would not have auto focus,
> metering and maybe some other features.
>
> Basically I am starting from scratch. So I will be making a decision
> Canon vs Nikon DSLR without consideration of any existing equipment,
> inclujding flash.
>
> Steven M. Scharf wrote:
>

If you do have an F2A system, you do, indeed, have choices. However, I
have 5 Nikon (or Nikon compatible) autofocus lenses and two Nikon
flashes. Were I to move to another system (say Canon or, if I were a
gambling man, the Olympus E system), I would have these lenses and two
Nikon bodies (N70 and FM3A) to dispose of one way or another.

I am not certain that the Nikon D70 is the best for the money, but, for
me, it is certainly the most logical and a better camera than I am a
photographer.

 

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But the lenses are G E R M AN from Zeiss

"sp77" <splendor77@excite.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1105214514.806316.170950@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>Years ago Photography was spelled GERMAN like in ... Hasselblad<<
> Hasselblad bodies were (and are) swedish and indeed made in sweden
>

 

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In article <41e04651$0$221$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk>,
"Søren M pedersen" <winsor@pedersen.mail.dk> wrote:

> But the lenses are G E R M AN from Zeiss

Except for the Japanese ones introduced in the last few years. One on
the 500/200 series and all for the new camera.

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measekite wrote:
> You hit the nail on the head. I have a Nikon F2A system. While all of
> my lenses will fit the D70 physically, I would not have auto focus,
> metering and maybe some other features.

Thank you. It's quite amusing to see some people go one and on about how
wonderful it is that Nikon has kept the F mount, while ignoring the
facts that:

1) Many of the F mount Nikon lenses really don't work with the newer
Nikon cameras (even though they physically can be installed)

2) Canon really did not abandon the users with FD mount lenses, since
there were adapters from FD lenses to EOS bodies, which were no worse
than using older F mount Nikon lenses on newer Nikon F mount cameras.

 

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I have no idea what the OP had in mind, but, thinking back to that period of
time, I'd say the biggest news from Canon was the introduction of the T90.

The T90 completely broke the mold of what a serious camera ought to look
like, and how it ought to function. The T90 incorporated dozens of radical
departures in camera design, and formed the basis for every Canon SLR that
has since followed. When I think of the one event that finally propelled
Canon ahead of Nikon and all the others, it was the introduction of the T90.

Rob

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"Steven M. Scharf" wrote ...
>
> Look at what 1987 event occurred, that would eventully propel Canon to the
> front of the pack, and you'll understand what Nikon must do to compete
> successfully (at least in the professional, and so-called, "prosumer"
> segments).
>
> Forever is a long time. Nikon could choose to make the necessary changes,
> or they can go out of business.

 

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kodak does not dominate the p&s market. they are making significant inroads
in the market domestically, but they still have a long way to go before i
would call them dominate (a supreme, commanding, controlling position, or
rule by superior authority)... right now i would say they are catching up
with the other players. a year ago the picture (pun intended) looked much
different, and a year from now it can change again.
sony 21.5%
kodak 18.3% (80% increase domestically over same period previous year)
canon 14.7%
olympus 11.8%
fuji 8.7%
hp 7%
nikon 5%
per idc as reported in 8/2004 in this article
http/www.bizreport.com/news/7776/
in november 2004 kodak was almost tie with sony.... it will be interesting
to see the holiday sales figure when they come out... people are expecting
more good news for kodak, but we will see.

"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
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> measekite wrote:
>> Years ago Photography was spelled GERMAN like in Leica, Hasselblad,
>> Schneider, and Zeiss. Then came the original Nikon F with extremely
>> sharp lenses, interchangeable finders, meters, focusing screens, backs
>> and motors. Canon was an also ran. Now, with maybe the exception of
>> lense construction (not L or optics) and especially in the digital world
>> Canon appears to be the system to beat.
>>
>> The question I pose is will Nikon ever regain its dominance and be the
>> leader it once was. And if so what has to happen in the future for that
>> to occur?
>
> I would say that in specific market segments, Nikon is still a leader, if
> not dominant. I don't think that a single company being dominant is a
> good thing for the industry. Surely Kodak dominates the low end of the
> P&S market, but on the other sides of the market, other companies are
> dominant. As long as competition is pretty broad, we all get better
> cameras, and better customer service, and the industry prospers.
>
>
> --
> Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

 

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It is also a matter of WHICH market: the popular "snapshots" or the "serious
amateur and professional" market. I have no stats on either, but I know
that most pros I know use either Canon or Nikon.


On 1/9/05 8:21 PM, in article 4FlEd.7490$eb.6081@trndny01, "Christopher
Muto" <muto@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> kodak does not dominate the p&s market. they are making significant inroads
> in the market domestically, but they still have a long way to go before i
> would call them dominate (a supreme, commanding, controlling position, or
> rule by superior authority)... right now i would say they are catching up
> with the other players. a year ago the picture (pun intended) looked much
> different, and a year from now it can change again.
> sony 21.5%
> kodak 18.3% (80% increase domestically over same period previous year)
> canon 14.7%
> olympus 11.8%
> fuji 8.7%
> hp 7%
> nikon 5%
> per idc as reported in 8/2004 in this article
> http/www.bizreport.com/news/7776/
> in november 2004 kodak was almost tie with sony.... it will be interesting
> to see the holiday sales figure when they come out... people are expecting
> more good news for kodak, but we will see.