1.7 MHz or 735 1.7 MHz ??

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With exactly identical features and for practically the same price, would
you get a laptop with a Pentium M 1.7 MHz or a Pentium M 735 1.7 MHz ? Why?
 
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Because they are exactly the same chip ? Just a hunch...

"Gilbert" <fr2@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> With exactly identical features and for practically the same price, would
> you get a laptop with a Pentium M 1.7 MHz or a Pentium M 735 1.7 MHz ?
> Why?
>
>
 
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"Gilbert" <fr2@rogers.com> wrote in message
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| With exactly identical features and for practically the same price, would
| you get a laptop with a Pentium M 1.7 MHz or a Pentium M 735 1.7 MHz ?
Why?

the 735 is just a numbering scheme Intel is switching to for their
processors. Those two are the same chip. They finally acquired the
technology to compete with AMD in doing more work with less clock speed, so
will be moving away from the MHz naming of the chips since it means very
little.
 

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"Jason Cothran" <reply@board.nomail> wrote in message
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> "Gilbert" <fr2@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> | With exactly identical features and for practically the same price,
would
> | you get a laptop with a Pentium M 1.7 MHz or a Pentium M 735 1.7 MHz ?
> Why?
>
> the 735 is just a numbering scheme Intel is switching to for their
> processors. Those two are the same chip.

There is difference in the L2 Cache: The 735 1.7 MHz has a 2 MB L2 Cache,
the Pentium M 1.7 MHz has a 1MB L2 Cache. Is the difference in L2 cache
really important?
 

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Jason Cothran <reply@board.nomail> wrote:

: "Gilbert" <fr2@rogers.com> wrote in message
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: | With exactly identical features and for practically the same price, would
: | you get a laptop with a Pentium M 1.7 MHz or a Pentium M 735 1.7 MHz ?
: Why?

: the 735 is just a numbering scheme Intel is switching to for their
: processors. Those two are the same chip. They finally acquired the
: technology to compete with AMD in doing more work with less clock speed, so
: will be moving away from the MHz naming of the chips since it means very
: little.

Er, it wasn't a matter of Intel "acquiring the technology" to do "more
work with less clock speed". The Pentium 4 "Willamette" architecture
was designed from the beginning to do less work per clock cycle so
that the clock rate could be scaled up better. But higher clock rates
do not work well in conserving power as you need in a laptop. That's
why the Pentium M's clock rate is so much slower doing a similar
amount of work.

Intel had this "technology" in it's previous Pentium III
architecture. What Intel has figured out though is that faster clock
rates are no longer the best way to market their chips. Centrino was
the first step away from that, as they emphasized features over
performance. The new numbering scheme is something similar.

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"Andrew" <usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com> wrote in message
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| Centrino was
| the first step away from that, as they emphasized features over
| performance. The new numbering scheme is something similar.
|

Centrino is not a procesoor. It is a Pentium M bundled with Intel wireless.
 

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Jason Cothran <reply@board.nomail> wrote:

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: | Centrino was
: | the first step away from that, as they emphasized features over
: | performance. The new numbering scheme is something similar.
: |

: Centrino is not a procesoor. It is a Pentium M bundled with Intel wireless.

I never said or implied that Centrino was a processor.

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"Andrew" <usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com> wrote in message
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| Jason Cothran <reply@board.nomail> wrote:
|
| : "Andrew" <usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com> wrote in message
| : news:zcasdcaxczcasdu94824645446209@bizaveMYSHOES.com...
| : | Centrino was
| : | the first step away from that, as they emphasized features over
| : | performance. The new numbering scheme is something similar.
| : |
|
| : Centrino is not a procesoor. It is a Pentium M bundled with Intel
wireless.
|
| I never said or implied that Centrino was a processor.
|

OK, then what you meant was the Pentium M was the first step away from that?
Which is what I had already said anyway ;).
 
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Gilbert wrote:
> "Jason Cothran" <reply@board.nomail> wrote in message
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>>"Gilbert" <fr2@rogers.com> wrote in message
>>news:fxzUc.1772790$Ar.1659552@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
>>| With exactly identical features and for practically the same price,
>
> would
>
>>| you get a laptop with a Pentium M 1.7 MHz or a Pentium M 735 1.7 MHz ?
>>Why?
>>
>>the 735 is just a numbering scheme Intel is switching to for their
>>processors. Those two are the same chip.
>
>
> There is difference in the L2 Cache: The 735 1.7 MHz has a 2 MB L2 Cache,
> the Pentium M 1.7 MHz has a 1MB L2 Cache. Is the difference in L2 cache
> really important?
>
>

It's very handy for intensive numerical processing, so it'll improve
things like engineering and scientific simulation software, some games,
and image processing software (eg, Photoshop, which is fundamentally
just a great big matrix multiplier and equation solver). Having all that
higher speed memory so close to hand will speed up processes that
involve manipulation of lots of "similar" data (well, at least in
principle).

-P
 

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Jason Cothran <reply@board.nomail> wrote:

: "Andrew" <usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com> wrote in message
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: | Jason Cothran <reply@board.nomail> wrote:
: |
: | : "Andrew" <usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com> wrote in message
: | : news:zcasdcaxczcasdu94824645446209@bizaveMYSHOES.com...
: | : | Centrino was
: | : | the first step away from that, as they emphasized features over
: | : | performance. The new numbering scheme is something similar.
: | : |
: |
: | : Centrino is not a procesoor. It is a Pentium M bundled with Intel
: wireless.
: |
: | I never said or implied that Centrino was a processor.
: |

: OK, then what you meant was the Pentium M was the first step away from that?

I meant that Intel has moved away from marketing its products based on
solely on clock speed and moved toward marketing them based on
features and concept. Centrino was something new for Intel - a bundle
of products that included not just a CPU but a chipset and a wireless
card. The Centrino concept is mobile, light, wireless, long battery
life, not "fast".

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"Andrew" <usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com> wrote in message
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| Jason Cothran <reply@board.nomail> wrote:
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| : "Andrew" <usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com> wrote in message
| : news:axczcasdurkrla30363446209@bizaveMYSHOES.com...
| : | Jason Cothran <reply@board.nomail> wrote:
| : |
| : | : "Andrew" <usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com> wrote in message
| : | : news:zcasdcaxczcasdu94824645446209@bizaveMYSHOES.com...
| : | : | Centrino was
| : | : | the first step away from that, as they emphasized features over
| : | : | performance. The new numbering scheme is something similar.
| : | : |
| : |
| : | : Centrino is not a procesoor. It is a Pentium M bundled with Intel
| : wireless.
| : |
| : | I never said or implied that Centrino was a processor.
| : |
|
| : OK, then what you meant was the Pentium M was the first step away from
that?
|
| I meant that Intel has moved away from marketing its products based on
| solely on clock speed and moved toward marketing them based on
| features and concept. Centrino was something new for Intel - a bundle
| of products that included not just a CPU but a chipset and a wireless
| card. The Centrino concept is mobile, light, wireless, long battery
| life, not "fast".
|

Actually it is fast (Dothan anyway). I am glad to see Intel finally being
concerned with performance instead of just clock speed.
 

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"Jason Cothran" <reply@board.nomail> wrote in message
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> "Andrew" <usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com> wrote in message
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> | Jason Cothran <reply@board.nomail> wrote:

> Actually it is fast (Dothan anyway). I am glad to see Intel finally being
> concerned with performance instead of just clock speed.



Thank you guys for your input. I will get the laptop with the Dothan.
Gilbert