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[citation][nom]falchard[/nom]Its a point for the camera to focus on. This devices is pretty much a scaled down Motion capture studio. It uses the 3D eye tool in order to judge position, and it uses the light bulbs to say, HEY HERE I AM.This has one glaring issue. In motion capture you usually have the suit of light bulbs and multiple camera's. What happens when you twirl the wand and its obstructed by a table or your body?The bonus is it will definetly perform accurate movement. It also significantly simplifies the animators job. Its capable of judging velocity while at the same time provide accurate aiming information for shooters.[/citation]
The Move contains inertial sensors that when the orb is out of sight are used to plot the location using the previous speed and location. It loses accuracy but unless you are solely waving it in obscured view the controller will remain fairly accurate.
The Move contains inertial sensors that when the orb is out of sight are used to plot the location using the previous speed and location. It loses accuracy but unless you are solely waving it in obscured view the controller will remain fairly accurate.
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[citation][nom]falchard[/nom]Its a point for the camera to focus on. HEY HERE I AM.This has one glaring issue. What happens when you twirl the wand and its obstructed by a table or your body? Its capable of judging velocity while at the same time provide accurate aiming information for shooters.[/citation]
The MOVE is a lot more advanced and its sensors also know its location. Its very accurate over the Wii. Also, the EYE uses the ball to gauge distance.
Kinect games will end up being different than Wii & Move... as Kinect has accuracy problems. Its important to remember than the NALI DEMO were faked / simulated... real body movements for games make people look far dumber.
Shooting games are very inaccurate. Come on, your finger is a trigger?! The system is busy tracking your hand and fingers? Theres videos of people playing FPS in which the characters are getting stuck on obstacles and constantly missing targets. Oh, yeah - I saw them jerking their hand back (fake recoil "bang") to register a trigger pull. People were walking away.
Kinect will do best in Dance and sports games I think. A hand controller has many buttons to work with, allowing far more options.
The MOVE is a lot more advanced and its sensors also know its location. Its very accurate over the Wii. Also, the EYE uses the ball to gauge distance.
Kinect games will end up being different than Wii & Move... as Kinect has accuracy problems. Its important to remember than the NALI DEMO were faked / simulated... real body movements for games make people look far dumber.
Shooting games are very inaccurate. Come on, your finger is a trigger?! The system is busy tracking your hand and fingers? Theres videos of people playing FPS in which the characters are getting stuck on obstacles and constantly missing targets. Oh, yeah - I saw them jerking their hand back (fake recoil "bang") to register a trigger pull. People were walking away.
Kinect will do best in Dance and sports games I think. A hand controller has many buttons to work with, allowing far more options.
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Shipped IS NOT SOLD. Microsoft pulls this trick too. Overstock the stores to make fraudulent indications of product confidence.
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As a bit of a nitpick, Jane, I haven't been able to help but feel that the "let us know in the coments" line you've ended every article post with to be a LITTLE on the tacky side. Not sure if I'm the only one who feels that way, though; just thought I'd mention it.
And yes, everyone, there's a big difference between "shipped" and "sold." From the looks of this, I'd say that with only 1 million units shipped in the USA in a month, the Move is selling poorly; these are controllers, so obviously Sony shipped out a lot to try and make an agressive launch. Hence, a single store would stock MORE controllers than consoles or copies of any specific game.
Looking over it, and checking where Sony Recommends buying the Move in the USA, in the USA there are about:
- 4,200 Wal-Marts (including Sam's Club)
- 5,000 GameStop/EBGames
- 1,500 Targets
- 1,370 Kmarts
- 1,150 Best Buys
- 926 Sears' department stores
- 840 Toys "R" Us
- 410 Costcos
- 34 Fry's Electronics
- Unknown Sony Style Stores. (likely not many)
So that's at least 15,430 total, and doesn't count massive online sales from Amazon.com, or online sales at any of the above stores' sites. Or, even, y'know, other sites like our favorite, NewEgg. Nor does it include sub-national chains that would stock it as well. So perhaps it might be fair to round our number up to 20,000 brick-and-mortar stores in the US that would be able to devote a decent section to Playstation 3 merchandise.
So assuming that, (given the massive popularity of Amazon.com and online shopping for electronics) perhaps 50% of the sales are online, that'd leave 500,000 controllers between 20,000 stores, or 25 controllers per store. That's about what'd be a typical "build-up for launch" number for something like controllers. And if we say that the 1 million is BOTH the motion and navigation controllers combined? Then that makes it even more sad: 12-13 sets per store.
So all told, if all they've shipped in 1 month is just the launch set... Then Move must be selling poorly.
[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]now if im right, its a bit more than just that.[/citation]
Except you're not quite right. Falchard is exactly right.
The Move combines the "light bulb" with an accelerometer, which can judge movement, albeit less precisely than the camera. With the bulb, the camera always knows how bright, large, and what color it should be, hence it can accurately gauge depth. The only potential problem is if you're in an unevenly-lit room. If you move the controller behind you, it relies on the accelerometer to "guess" until it can see the bulb again. The last component is an angular rate sensor, which gives it a limited degree of detecting rotational momentum.
[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]yea it has motion capture, that makes it more accurate than the wii more already, you can have the controller pointed in almost ANY possion and not have it interfear with how it works, unlike the wii more which if its not pointed at that bar things it guesses. than add into it the other motion capturing hardware, forget all the names but it knows how its moved. its less complex than a motion capture studio, but also in some ways more sophisticated too. as in with just 1 ball and even if you had 8 cameras on that ball, you wouldn't get the the same results as the move can.[/citation]
Now this is all just fanboy garbage; Sony can't "magically" make a one-camera tracker superior to a multi-camera one. While you might not know what names and technology are at work, I do; I described it right above. You've also obviously never USED a Wii controller; the IR camera isn't used for, say, Wii Sports at all. The Wii MotionPlus remote has THREE methods of detection independent of each other; the camera can point directly onto the screen provided it can spot the sensor bar. (which is just a bar of invisible IR lights) Then there's the accelerometer, which is the same in accuracy as Sony's; in other words, not perfect, but workable. The MotionPlus add-on adds a high-precision gyroscope, allowing it to get a true reading on its orientation, rather than judging basd upon how much it's moved, which is a spot where the Move controller can glitch on. The Move DOES have a magnetometer which will periodically correct any errors, though it's of limited precision.
Overall, the Move has significantly superior overall position-sensing capabilities compared to the Wii Remote, Though the Wii remote can far better handle where it's POINTED (provided it's at the screen) and MotionPlus gives it superior motion/rotation-sensing capabilities.
And yes, everyone, there's a big difference between "shipped" and "sold." From the looks of this, I'd say that with only 1 million units shipped in the USA in a month, the Move is selling poorly; these are controllers, so obviously Sony shipped out a lot to try and make an agressive launch. Hence, a single store would stock MORE controllers than consoles or copies of any specific game.
Looking over it, and checking where Sony Recommends buying the Move in the USA, in the USA there are about:
- 4,200 Wal-Marts (including Sam's Club)
- 5,000 GameStop/EBGames
- 1,500 Targets
- 1,370 Kmarts
- 1,150 Best Buys
- 926 Sears' department stores
- 840 Toys "R" Us
- 410 Costcos
- 34 Fry's Electronics
- Unknown Sony Style Stores. (likely not many)
So that's at least 15,430 total, and doesn't count massive online sales from Amazon.com, or online sales at any of the above stores' sites. Or, even, y'know, other sites like our favorite, NewEgg. Nor does it include sub-national chains that would stock it as well. So perhaps it might be fair to round our number up to 20,000 brick-and-mortar stores in the US that would be able to devote a decent section to Playstation 3 merchandise.
So assuming that, (given the massive popularity of Amazon.com and online shopping for electronics) perhaps 50% of the sales are online, that'd leave 500,000 controllers between 20,000 stores, or 25 controllers per store. That's about what'd be a typical "build-up for launch" number for something like controllers. And if we say that the 1 million is BOTH the motion and navigation controllers combined? Then that makes it even more sad: 12-13 sets per store.
So all told, if all they've shipped in 1 month is just the launch set... Then Move must be selling poorly.
[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]now if im right, its a bit more than just that.[/citation]
Except you're not quite right. Falchard is exactly right.
The Move combines the "light bulb" with an accelerometer, which can judge movement, albeit less precisely than the camera. With the bulb, the camera always knows how bright, large, and what color it should be, hence it can accurately gauge depth. The only potential problem is if you're in an unevenly-lit room. If you move the controller behind you, it relies on the accelerometer to "guess" until it can see the bulb again. The last component is an angular rate sensor, which gives it a limited degree of detecting rotational momentum.
[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]yea it has motion capture, that makes it more accurate than the wii more already, you can have the controller pointed in almost ANY possion and not have it interfear with how it works, unlike the wii more which if its not pointed at that bar things it guesses. than add into it the other motion capturing hardware, forget all the names but it knows how its moved. its less complex than a motion capture studio, but also in some ways more sophisticated too. as in with just 1 ball and even if you had 8 cameras on that ball, you wouldn't get the the same results as the move can.[/citation]
Now this is all just fanboy garbage; Sony can't "magically" make a one-camera tracker superior to a multi-camera one. While you might not know what names and technology are at work, I do; I described it right above. You've also obviously never USED a Wii controller; the IR camera isn't used for, say, Wii Sports at all. The Wii MotionPlus remote has THREE methods of detection independent of each other; the camera can point directly onto the screen provided it can spot the sensor bar. (which is just a bar of invisible IR lights) Then there's the accelerometer, which is the same in accuracy as Sony's; in other words, not perfect, but workable. The MotionPlus add-on adds a high-precision gyroscope, allowing it to get a true reading on its orientation, rather than judging basd upon how much it's moved, which is a spot where the Move controller can glitch on. The Move DOES have a magnetometer which will periodically correct any errors, though it's of limited precision.
Overall, the Move has significantly superior overall position-sensing capabilities compared to the Wii Remote, Though the Wii remote can far better handle where it's POINTED (provided it's at the screen) and MotionPlus gives it superior motion/rotation-sensing capabilities.
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[citation][nom]nottheking[/nom]As a bit of a nitpick, Jane, I haven't been able to help but feel that the "let us know in the coments" line you've ended every article post with to be a LITTLE on the tacky side. Not sure if I'm the only one who feels that way, though; just thought I'd mention it.[/citation]
I appreciate your opinion, but I disagree. Having done this job for well over three years, I've noticed it definitely promotes discussion and people are commenting more than ever. I'd also like to point out that I don't end every post with it. Just the topics that I think would attract a lot of different kinds of readers. I think it's important to have a certain amount of diversity in the comments section. Makes for interesting reading. Sorry you don't like it, though! Guess I can't please everyone.
I appreciate your opinion, but I disagree. Having done this job for well over three years, I've noticed it definitely promotes discussion and people are commenting more than ever. I'd also like to point out that I don't end every post with it. Just the topics that I think would attract a lot of different kinds of readers. I think it's important to have a certain amount of diversity in the comments section. Makes for interesting reading. Sorry you don't like it, though! Guess I can't please everyone.
Oh really? 2.5 Million? And I thought no one bought them coz they have a lot, and I mean A LOT, at Fry's electronics.
And no one seems to bother getting them, not even looking at them.
Well, only in the 1st week that people are testing it. But then that's about it.
And no one seems to bother getting them, not even looking at them.
Well, only in the 1st week that people are testing it. But then that's about it.
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While there maybe 20,000 stores, depeneding on size and demographics will determine how many controllers any particular store will get. A small gaming mom & pop shop may order 5. Frys would order 1000 per store, etc.
2.5 million units in a month and SONY hasn't officially started selling in Japan yet.... is pretty good. What is the 2nd's controller attach rate for the PS3? 50%? Let use that as an estimate. Remember, the MOVE is mostly an ADD-ON device, its not a standard part of the PS3, unlike the Wii - in which a normal joypad is rare.
Theres about 40 million PS3 units of this FAILED console (About 3m less than the 360). Sony will need over 20million MOVE controllers for it to be "standard"/successful as that would put the attach rate to 10 million consoles.
Sony will not have any problems selling 10~15 million Move Controllers in Japan alone - in a year. And is SONY can sustain a 2mil a month sales, that would be healthy (2mil x 12 months = 24 million)
As more games come out, more demand for the MOVE.
Theres the MOVE controller, which is required... and the Navigation Controller, which is nothing more than a reconfigured DualShock. They tried to make the DualShock work as a standard 2nd controller but its shape doesn't work. Unless otherwise noted, we'll call it just MOVE sales.
For $100 to get the Move, Eye and a game, not bad. $130 for the complete kit.
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[citation][nom]yapchagi[/nom]Oh really? 2.5 Million? And I thought no one bought them coz they have a lot, and I mean A LOT, at Fry's electronics.And no one seems to bother getting them, not even looking at them.Well[/citation]
Did you watch the shelves all day long or in passing for 5 minutes? Stores restock shelves.
Walmart #1 selling product is Bananas. Yet when I get some, there is never a HORD of people there... usually just me.
Did you watch the shelves all day long or in passing for 5 minutes? Stores restock shelves.
Walmart #1 selling product is Bananas. Yet when I get some, there is never a HORD of people there... usually just me.
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I got the PsMove and I love it. I've played "The Shoot", "Sports Champion" and over 30 hours of MAG with the Move and, regarding MAG, I don't mean to return to the classic controller.
I hope it will sell well and that we'll see high quality third party game titles ( not just Sony's ), but I'm not convinced the playstation community is as enthusiastic as I am about it.
I hope it will sell well and that we'll see high quality third party game titles ( not just Sony's ), but I'm not convinced the playstation community is as enthusiastic as I am about it.
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[citation][nom]Albyint[/nom]^^^ graphics power of a ps3??[/citation]
yeah can't believe people still believe that!
yeah can't believe people still believe that!
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I bought the move with navigation controller $99.00 you get eye,move controller and 1 game which i did not open not interested in sports games.
I also bought Lord of the Rings: Aragorn's Quest move compatible version sony's version of zelda seems pretty accurate, did not notice any lag.
Move needs the controller for tracking and only works in games where Kinect works via gestures right in the control panel and can control the xbox360 outside of games.
I also bought Lord of the Rings: Aragorn's Quest move compatible version sony's version of zelda seems pretty accurate, did not notice any lag.
Move needs the controller for tracking and only works in games where Kinect works via gestures right in the control panel and can control the xbox360 outside of games.
This device is too costly. Some games require 2 motion remotes per player. Thats means that for 2 people to play volleyball you would need 4 remotes at $50 a pop thats $200 just in remotes. Its like buying a whole new gaming system.
They are selling. Fry's and the Best Buy stores in the Seattle area have not been able to keep these controllers in stock - you can find the kits (the $100 package with the eye, 1 move controller and the sports champions game) just fine, but you cannot find the 'extra' move controllers. I tried... took me a week to find them, which I thought was ironic as the only store in the area that had them in stock was Gamestop in Redmond (MS' hometown).
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